Which is the best drive to do Blu Ray Quality Scans?

RedDwarf · 29-04-2012

Samsung Bluray readers SH-B123 but the firmware version can affect things.

I have ordered a Liteon iHBS112-115. Hopefully I should get that in the next week sometime.

Using USB3.0 seems the best option because I would need to be using AHCI for the SATA to be able to plug in without a reboot. That is a nuisance that I don't want.

I still have not sorted out the USB 3.0 card that I need. My PC doesn't have USB 3.0 ports so I need a card. The card reader with USB3.0 port that does most of what I need can be purchased with a PCI-e USB3.0 card, however there is no information on what PCI-e version it uses. I would prefer a PCI-e v2 capable card because it's a 4 USB port card and therefore it would need the 500MB/s of PCI-e v2. I have emailed the company asking and should receive the info next week. Startech make a similar card which is meant to be PCI-e v2 but @ about twice the price.

I will get the Lindy USB3.0 enclosure rather than the DeLock because I don't want t a painted case prone to scratches.

Once all this is sorted out, I should get some time to compile that information for the start of this thread. Been a bit too busy with many things on the go ATM.

*jadburner* · 30-04-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Plexutilities will only scan with a Plextor drive(or crossflashed Lite-on>Plextor).
ODC can be used with Plextors.

You can add to that ODC list:

* Asus BW-12B1S/LT
* SONY BWU-500S

Examples here.

Also add the SH-B083L.

*jadburner* · 30-04-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

ODC can be used with Plextors.

ODC 1.50 hangs my PX-LB950SA, so I stick with PlexUtilities for DQ scans on that drive.

**deanwitty** · 30-04-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadburner

ODC 1.50 hangs my PX-LB950SA, so I stick with PlexUtilities for DQ scans on that drive.

ODC 1.50 works OK with a iHBS212 flashed to a PX-LB950SA.

**deanwitty** · 30-04-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDwarf

I have ordered a Liteon iHBS112-115. Hopefully I should get that in the next week sometime.

Using USB3.0 seems the best option because I would need to be using AHCI for the SATA to be able to plug in without a reboot. That is a nuisance that I don't want.

Once all this is sorted out, I should get some time to compile that information for the start of this thread. Been a bit too busy with many things on the go ATM.

Glad to hear you will be able to make it work for you. You may find that having the drive connected via a full speed bus comes in handy beyond scanning. Don't hesitate to test the BD-R DL burning talents of the Lite-on.

RedDwarf · 30-04-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Glad to hear you will be able to make it work for you. You may find that having the drive connected via a full speed bus comes in handy beyond scanning.

It's been shipped so I should have it soon.

So have the Sony BD-R's, those might take a few days. ATM it's Aone BD-R's but at least I will be able to see how bad the quality is.

Until I get the USB3.0 sorted out and I haven't yet received a reply to my questions about the USB3.0 PCI-e card, I will mount it in the case. It doesn't match my case colour so it cannot stay there for very long.

Quote:

Don't hesitate to test the BD-R DL burning talents of the Lite-on.

BD-R DL

They are a bit too expensive for me. I am still testing SL disks and might try some Falcon BD-R's that I saw you link in another thread. I can only find one supplier of Falcon BD-R's here.

*jadburner* · 01-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

ODC 1.50 works OK with a iHBS212 flashed to a PX-LB950SA.

Yep, it does indeed work with the tweak.

*cvs* · 01-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by jadburner

Yep, it does indeed work with the tweak.

My 1st generation iHBS212 crossflashed to the 2nd generation PX-LB950SA firmware works as it should with ODC without having to resort to any trick.

*jadburner* · 01-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvs

My 1st generation iHBS212 crossflashed to the 2nd generation PX-LB950SA firmware works as it should with ODC without having to resort to any trick.

Thanks, cvs. My PX-LB950SA was manufactured December 2011, and unfortunately requires the trick to work with ODC. My first gen iHBS212 works fine with it.

RedDwarf · 02-05-2012

I have received my Liteon iHBS112-115 today and the 10 pack of Sony 6x disks from a different supplier, quite convenient that they both turned up on the same day.

I've updated to PL04 firmware and tried a scan with the firmware that was on the drive PL01. I had to do the trick to get it to do the quality scan. However, now I don't need to do that. I just click start and it begins. I think I might know why, unless the firmware update changed something, because I did do something else before hand. If that is the case then it might solve the problem

Your going to love the scans from these Aone disks. lmao

Keep the information on drives capable of quality scanning coming because I will use the info in this thread to construct a mock up of the post for the start of this thread which you all can check over and suggest changes. I had already begun making notes and constructing it. Info on cross flashing drives to make scanning possible or easier would be helpful.

I received a reply to the questions about the USB 3.0 card also today so it's been a good day all around

The card is PCI-e v2.0/v2.1 so it should be okay as it's a only x1 card with 4 ports so does really need the extra bandwidth. That's good news because it keeps the costs down as it can be purchased as a 3.5" card reader/USB3.0 port and the USB 3.0 PCI-e card.

RedDwarf · 02-05-2012

mmmm Very strange. It doesn't work now. I did a scan with PL01 and that required setting the speed after starting. I then changed the spin up time to 6 seconds and after that it started as soon as I clicked start. It did that repeatedly, stopping and starting and it worked. Not extensively tested but it did seem okay.

I updated the firmware and scanned without rebooting and still the same. I then changed some options and it stopped working. I rebooted and still not working. Changed the options back and still not working immediately.

Whatever caused it, I am now stuck with it the same as everyone else.

RedDwarf · 02-05-2012

Don't you all wish you had some of these. lol

**deanwitty** · 03-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDwarf

I have received my Liteon iHBS112-115 today and the 10 pack of Sony 6x disks from a different supplier, quite convenient that they both turned up on the same day.

I had to do the trick to get it to do the quality scan. However, now I don't need to do that. I just click start and it begins.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDwarf

mmmm Very strange. It doesn't work now.
Whatever caused it, I am now stuck with it the same as everyone else.

Oh well. Judging by the hardware in your sig, I would have guessed that leaving well enough alone is not your first impulse

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDwarf

Don't you all wish you had some of these. lol

I'm checking shipping rates right now

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Use ODC version 1.50 . That way we can see the media code of those jems you are scanning.

**deanwitty** · 04-05-2012

We have been discussing the 2nd generation version Lite-on and Plextor BD writer quality scanning glitch, and I feel it might be helpful to post the simple workaround cure for that in this thread.

All Lite-on and their clones- Plextor, Asus, and Sony -manufactured since July 2011 may require this simple tweak to use Opti drive control for quality scanning. The speed of your quality scan will be determined by the speed you select in the top box instead of the lower box.

All credit goes to our member kth

The thread can be found here.

pirum · 05-05-2012

Ugh, misposted, sorry folks.

RedDwarf · 08-06-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

We have been discussing the 2nd generation version Lite-on........

Thanks Dean, that will come in useful when I construct the guide. However, I have had lots of problems with hardware which still isn't sorted out.

The Eminent card reader and USB3.0 interface that I ordered, which took 3 weeks to arrive, turned out to be faulty. A card slot not working and the USB 3.0 interface failing to work after resuming from standby, getting a cannot start on the USB 3.0 device. To me, that looks like a driver issue and not related to one version of windows either, because I tried it on 3 windows installs, all with the same result. 10 days waiting for Eminent support to get back to me and finally arranging for it to be picked up by the retailer. Now I won't find out until Monday whether they can get a replacement.

I was not very impressed with the construction of the card reader. Connectors and memory cards wouldn't fit without some major bending of the brackets, the USB connector was not straight and the CF card and USB connector are upside down.....Made in China and the worst made in china item I have ever seen.

Due to all of this I haven't ordered the external case and now I am back to where I started. Therefore, not very pleased.

txenglan · 04-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

We have been discussing the 2nd generation version Lite-on and Plextor BD writer quality scanning glitch, and I feel it might be helpful to post the simple workaround cure for that in this thread.

All Lite-on and their clones- Plextor, Asus, and Sony -manufactured since July 2011 may require this simple tweak to use Opti drive control for quality scanning. The speed of your quality scan will be determined by the speed you select in the top box instead of the lower box.

All credit goes to our member kth

The thread can be found here.

I can confirm that the same workaround was required for the iHBS312. Did my first scan last night on some Falcon media.

**deanwitty** · 05-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by txenglan

I can confirm that the same workaround was required for the iHBS312. Did my first scan last night on some Falcon media.

Thanks for helping us keep up-to-date on scanning drives. Good choice for your first scans.

txenglan · 05-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Thanks for helping us keep up-to-date on scanning drives. Good choice for your first scans.

My pleasure! I'll keep posting scans on this media as well as some Panasonic stuff I have. I'm not entirely sure that the iHBS312 is a great unit to scan with though....Not much info posted here wrt that particular model.

PS. Although I realize that valus lower than "12" LDC are regarded as acceptable, from what I've seen posted in the forum, most of wehat is regarded as decent falls into the range of 3 to 7 LDC. Can someone confirm that my assumption is corect as I cannot seem to find definitive info to back this up? Thanks!

**deanwitty** · 05-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by txenglan

My pleasure! I'll keep posting scans on this media as well as some Panasonic stuff I have. I'm not entirely sure that the iHBS312 is a great unit to scan with though....Not much info posted here wrt that particular model.

Don't worry about a difference in the quality scans of the magnitude that you have between the two discs that you posted. Your burns are within the normal good range that I see with my FTI burns with the Lite-on. Have a look at this for an example of what is worrisome

. I expect you will also see good results with your Panasonics.

txenglan · 05-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Don't worry about a difference in the quality scans of the magnitude that you have between the two discs that you posted. Your burns are within the normal good range that I see with my FTI burns with the Lite-on. Have a look at this for an example of what is worrisome

. I expect you will also see good results with your Panasonics.

! Well that puts things in perspective. I would have thrown that out right away

Thanks for putting my mind at ease! I started scanning DVDs after every write 10 years ago (having learned the hard way about media integrity) and I plan on doing the same with Blu-Ray media ...

**deanwitty** · 05-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by txenglan

! Well that puts things in perspective. I would have thrown that out right away

Thanks for putting my mind at ease! I started scanning DVDs after every write 10 years ago (having learned the hard way about media integrity) and I plan on doing the same with Blu-Ray media ...

We are very much alike in our approach to media then

. Now I understand why you are starting out w/ BD-Rs with some of the best stuff available. Very smart

.

txenglan · 05-08-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

We are very much alike in our approach to media then

. Now I understand why you are starting out w/ BD-Rs with some of the best stuff available. Very smart

.

The great thing about this forum is that I don't have to be smart

Indeed, I have been following the discussion(s) in here for years and have a library worth of DVD writers similar to what you have in your signature. My favorite is the venerable BenQ 1650, which I still use for all my DVD scans. I have a feeling it might not last much longer though

h....

jimveta · 09-08-2012

So are the Lite-On iHBS-112/212/312 the best then?

Initially I tried with an old Lite-On 4x BD-ROM. I had no issues scanning any BD-R disc with OptiDrive Control but the scans were waaay different than those by my iHBS-212. In fact I was frustrated because it showed very high errors, that always grew towards the outer sectors, on all my burns (initially burned on an LG BP40NS20 USB slim drive) no matter the media. Then I switched to a iHBS-212 and I get similar results to many here, at least on PHILIPS MIDs and Verbatim LTH.

Also, what I've noticed with iHBS212 is that errors increase the higher the scanning speed. This seems to be reversed in my experience with DVD scanning where errors seem to lessen with increased speed (.. due to less sampling??)

Finally, are the Lite-On burners good for scanning DVDs as well? I also get different results with the iHBS212 compared to Lite-On iHAS324 and my older Samsung burner. The iHBS212 always shows more errors than the iHAS324 and Samsung. That older Samsung was also able to do CLV at 4x for burning and scanning/reading (where it remained constant at 4x from beginning to end) unlike the Lite-Ons.

raydenwins79 · 14-08-2012

Has anyone tried a BD-R Quality scan on the newer 100GB/128GB media?

29-04-2012	#126
RedDwarf MyCE Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 162	Re: Which is the best drive to do Blu Ray Quality Scans? Samsung Bluray readers SH-B123 but the firmware version can affect things. I have ordered a Liteon iHBS112-115. Hopefully I should get that in the next week sometime. Using USB3.0 seems the best option because I would need to be using AHCI for the SATA to be able to plug in without a reboot. That is a nuisance that I don't want. I still have not sorted out the USB 3.0 card that I need. My PC doesn't have USB 3.0 ports so I need a card. The card reader with USB3.0 port that does most of what I need can be purchased with a PCI-e USB3.0 card, however there is no information on what PCI-e version it uses. I would prefer a PCI-e v2 capable card because it's a 4 USB port card and therefore it would need the 500MB/s of PCI-e v2. I have emailed the company asking and should receive the info next week. Startech make a similar card which is meant to be PCI-e v2 but @ about twice the price. I will get the Lindy USB3.0 enclosure rather than the DeLock because I don't want t a painted case prone to scratches. Once all this is sorted out, I should get some time to compile that information for the start of this thread. Been a bit too busy with many things on the go ATM. __________________ Gigabyte GA-X48-DS5 Intel Q9450 2.66GHz Quad Core CPU Thermalright Venomous-X heatsink with 120mm Akasa Viper Fan Zotac GT240 1GB GDDR5 6 SilenX Case Fans with T-Balancer Fan Controller 2x500GB, 1x1TB, 1x250GB, 1x80GB SATA Harddrives Pioneer BDR-206DBK 1.06 with DVR-116 faceplate BENQ 1640 NEC 3520 faulty not used: Plextor 4824, Liteon 163D Pioneer DVR-116 1.09 with BDR-206DBK faceplate - removed PC2: DFI Lanparty Ultra B Athlon 2500-M PowerColour All In Wonder 128MB 9800 Pro SP97 & 90mm Silent Cat

02-05-2012	#135
RedDwarf MyCE Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 162	Re: Which is the best drive to do Blu Ray Quality Scans? I have received my Liteon iHBS112-115 today and the 10 pack of Sony 6x disks from a different supplier, quite convenient that they both turned up on the same day. I've updated to PL04 firmware and tried a scan with the firmware that was on the drive PL01. I had to do the trick to get it to do the quality scan. However, now I don't need to do that. I just click start and it begins. I think I might know why, unless the firmware update changed something, because I did do something else before hand. If that is the case then it might solve the problem Your going to love the scans from these Aone disks. lmao Keep the information on drives capable of quality scanning coming because I will use the info in this thread to construct a mock up of the post for the start of this thread which you all can check over and suggest changes. I had already begun making notes and constructing it. Info on cross flashing drives to make scanning possible or easier would be helpful. I received a reply to the questions about the USB 3.0 card also today so it's been a good day all around The card is PCI-e v2.0/v2.1 so it should be okay as it's a only x1 card with 4 ports so does really need the extra bandwidth. That's good news because it keeps the costs down as it can be purchased as a 3.5" card reader/USB3.0 port and the USB 3.0 PCI-e card. __________________ Gigabyte GA-X48-DS5 Intel Q9450 2.66GHz Quad Core CPU Thermalright Venomous-X heatsink with 120mm Akasa Viper Fan Zotac GT240 1GB GDDR5 6 SilenX Case Fans with T-Balancer Fan Controller 2x500GB, 1x1TB, 1x250GB, 1x80GB SATA Harddrives Pioneer BDR-206DBK 1.06 with DVR-116 faceplate BENQ 1640 NEC 3520 faulty not used: Plextor 4824, Liteon 163D Pioneer DVR-116 1.09 with BDR-206DBK faceplate - removed PC2: DFI Lanparty Ultra B Athlon 2500-M PowerColour All In Wonder 128MB 9800 Pro SP97 & 90mm Silent Cat

02-05-2012	#136
RedDwarf MyCE Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 162	Re: Which is the best drive to do Blu Ray Quality Scans? mmmm Very strange. It doesn't work now. I did a scan with PL01 and that required setting the speed after starting. I then changed the spin up time to 6 seconds and after that it started as soon as I clicked start. It did that repeatedly, stopping and starting and it worked. Not extensively tested but it did seem okay. I updated the firmware and scanned without rebooting and still the same. I then changed some options and it stopped working. I rebooted and still not working. Changed the options back and still not working immediately. Whatever caused it, I am now stuck with it the same as everyone else. __________________ Gigabyte GA-X48-DS5 Intel Q9450 2.66GHz Quad Core CPU Thermalright Venomous-X heatsink with 120mm Akasa Viper Fan Zotac GT240 1GB GDDR5 6 SilenX Case Fans with T-Balancer Fan Controller 2x500GB, 1x1TB, 1x250GB, 1x80GB SATA Harddrives Pioneer BDR-206DBK 1.06 with DVR-116 faceplate BENQ 1640 NEC 3520 faulty not used: Plextor 4824, Liteon 163D Pioneer DVR-116 1.09 with BDR-206DBK faceplate - removed PC2: DFI Lanparty Ultra B Athlon 2500-M PowerColour All In Wonder 128MB 9800 Pro SP97 & 90mm Silent Cat

05-05-2012	#140
pirum MyCE Rookie Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 48	Ugh, misposted, sorry folks. __________________ DVD: NEC 3500, 4550 BD: LiteOn iHBS112 Last edited by pirum; 05-05-2012 at 22:06. Reason: Posting mistake

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09-08-2012	#149
jimveta MyCE Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 26	So are the Lite-On iHBS-112/212/312 the best then? Initially I tried with an old Lite-On 4x BD-ROM. I had no issues scanning any BD-R disc with OptiDrive Control but the scans were waaay different than those by my iHBS-212. In fact I was frustrated because it showed very high errors, that always grew towards the outer sectors, on all my burns (initially burned on an LG BP40NS20 USB slim drive) no matter the media. Then I switched to a iHBS-212 and I get similar results to many here, at least on PHILIPS MIDs and Verbatim LTH. Also, what I've noticed with iHBS212 is that errors increase the higher the scanning speed. This seems to be reversed in my experience with DVD scanning where errors seem to lessen with increased speed (.. due to less sampling??) Finally, are the Lite-On burners good for scanning DVDs as well? I also get different results with the iHBS212 compared to Lite-On iHAS324 and my older Samsung burner. The iHBS212 always shows more errors than the iHAS324 and Samsung. That older Samsung was also able to do CLV at 4x for burning and scanning/reading (where it remained constant at 4x from beginning to end) unlike the Lite-Ons.

14-08-2012	#150
raydenwins79 New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3	Has anyone tried a BD-R Quality scan on the newer 100GB/128GB media?