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nec3500question 01-12-2004 01:11

AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Hi All,

I have been looking for a good DVD-ROM to compliment my NEC 3500ag DVD burner. It looks like AOpen 1648/AAP is highly recommended in terms of speed and error correction.

But their marketing is not very clear.
  • What is the difference between 1648/AAP and 1648/AAP PRO?
  • Where is a good place to buy this?

For AAP vs. PRO, I looked on their website: DVD-1648 AAP and DVD-1648/AAP PRO .

What I find peculiar is that the DVD-1648/AAP has better media support than the DVD-1648/AAP PRO. According to the above pages, the regular AAP supports these and the PRO version does not.
  1. DVD-R. The PRO version lists DVD+R and DVD+RW but only DVD-RW.
  2. DVD-ROM double layer. The PRO version only lists "DVD-ROM" while the regular AAP explicitly lists single layer and double layer.
  3. SPDIF and S/PDIF. The PRO version only lists S/PDIF. The regular AAP version lists both. This looks like a typo: is there really an SPDIF and S/PDIF?

Does anyone have a PRO version? Did they really remove DVD-R and DVD-ROM double layer support? AOpen has a rather horrible website and I couldn't find the manual for any 1648 except for the half height ones.

If the above 3 things are all just typoes, then what exactly is the difference between the DVD-1648/AAP and the DVD-1648/AAP PRO?

The only tangible differences I could find are the part numbers:

DVD-1648/AAP (no difference between these is mentioned):
  • 91.4ED37.001
  • 91.4ED37.002

DVD-1648/AAP PRO. These look like OEM vs. retail. However, what is the difference between the two chameleon versions? Why are there two? From what I have read, Chameleon means it includes 2 extra face plates with different colors:
  • 91.4ED37.402 Bulk, Acer White 002
  • 91.4ED37.403 Bulk, IBM white 071
  • 91.4ED37.404 Bulk, Black D067
  • 91.4ED37.411 Retail, Acer white 002
  • 91.4ED37.473 Retail, Chameleon
  • 91.4ED37.474 Retail, Chameleon

As far as retailers:
  • Newegg, my first choice, is out of stock. They list 12/2 as the ETA but sometimes they play games with ETAs (first hand experience, I saw they once pushed a video card ETA back for a whole month. They would update the ETA every couple of days to a week). They have a very high resellerrating with lots of reviews.
  • Ajump is recommended in the forums but they have a low resellerrating as well as alleged questionable pratices in their rating.
  • Cheapguys has a high reseller rating but it is only from 3 people, 2 of which didn't buy online.
  • Z-buy has a moderately high rating but it appears they have bad customer service rating.

What are your experiences with the above retailers or any others, specifically with a 1648/AAP? To me, the price isn't as important as not getting jerked around/lied to about in stock or DOA etc.

dsdarli 01-12-2004 02:20

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Most people here have bought the Chameleon from Ajump with no problem and it arrived in just a few days. It was adequately packed and it worked right outta de box.
I even updated the firmware with no problems.

Newegg is my usual choice, but they have kept pushing out the restock dates for the last few months and it is on all of thier Aopen products.

I take Resellerrating as a guideline, but I also do not take it as the Gospel. Personally
I have never left feedback one way or the other there. Be it a good or bad experience.
I take negative feedback as a retaliation from disgruntled people who may or may not have a clue. I take note of WHAT the problem was over the ranting and raving of some responses.

I ordered mine from Ajump and I would order again if the price was right or it was not available from other sources. By ordering the Chameleon you can be assured of getting the AAP version. You get all of the screws, cables, faceplates and other useless stuff for me. The price difference is a petty thing for others to argue about between this and the bulk packages.

Thats my 1.89 cents worth.

Scotty

My drive has the part numer: 91.4ed37.277

nec3500question 01-12-2004 02:23

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nec3500question
As far as retailers:
  • Newegg, my first choice, is out of stock. They list 12/2 as the ETA but sometimes they play games with ETAs (first hand experience, I saw they once pushed a video card ETA back for a whole month. They would update the ETA every couple of days to a week). They have a very high resellerrating with lots of reviews.
  • Ajump is recommended in the forums but they have a low resellerrating as well as alleged questionable pratices in their rating.
  • Cheapguys has a high reseller rating but it is only from 3 people, 2 of which didn't buy online.
  • Z-buy has a moderately high rating but it appears they have bad customer service rating.

Not sure where I got z-buy from, they don't have it. It must have been from an out of date link.

Also, what version does AJump actually have? They list: 1648/APP but it has the wrong part number: 91.4ED37.277 (Chameleon Edition)

There is no model 91.4ED37.277. They also say the drive is "1648/APP" which is incorrect as well. Can someone confirm what this drive actually is? If their mistakes are all straight forward, then it is an AOpen DVD-1648/APP PRO chameleon.


Which model is the cheapguys? They have even less information than ajump. They claim to have 19 of these at $29.99 each versus the $36 that ajump charges.

They link to the DVD-1648/AAP instead of DVD-1648/AAP PRO so I'm back to my original question: What's the difference? In another forum thread, I saw this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Krys
Does anyone know if the Aopen 1648A is the same as the 1648/AAP?

Quote:

Originally Posted by packetloss
It is not the same. The exact model name is important (either Aopen 1648/AAP or Aopen 1648/AAP Pro)

But what about between models: AAP vs. AAP Pro? Is there a difference?


I found a few more dealers (logicalplus and pccity) from pricewatch but they have terrible ratings on reseller ratings.


Why is this DVD-ROM so hard to find? Has AOpen stopped production because of the error below? Or is it just so high in demand? If it was so high in demand, why is newegg the only reputable merchant I can find that stocks it ... and they are out of stock on the OEM and retail versions?


I saw in another thread that there were some reported problems with the firmware where if you tried to rip an unreadable disk, it would lock the drive up and a reboot was the only cure. Did the DVD-1648/AAP PRO version fix that?

nec3500question 01-12-2004 02:38

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsdarli
Most people here have bought the Chameleon from Ajump with no problem and it arrived in just a few days. It was adequately packed and it worked right outta de box.
I even updated the firmware with no problems.

Okay, thanks. It looks like my choice is between AJump and cheapguys since Newegg appears to be pushing the restock dates back as you mentioned. Between those two, I'll go with AJump since no one here has complained about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsdarli
I take Resellerrating as a guideline, but I also do not take it as the Gospel.

Neither do I :) But it says a lot when you look at a company like newegg with over 7,800 reviews and a score of 9.85 versus some company with 3 reviews at 10.0.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsdarli
Personally I have never left feedback one way or the other there. Be it a good or bad experience.

Me either. I should start...

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsdarli
I take negative feedback as a retaliation from disgruntled people who may or may not have a clue. I take note of WHAT the problem was over the ranting and raving of some responses.

I take note of the detail as well. A generic rambling about poor customer service is probably nothing bad. But a detailed account of what happened is more telling.

I have a friend who ordered from a really cheap online merchant and had to wait over a month to get the product. That's what I'm trying to avoid: merchants who say they have it in stock but really just queue you up until they actually do.
Quote:

Originally Posted by dsdarli
I ordered mine from Ajump and I would order again if the price was right or it was not available from other sources. By ordering the Chameleon you can be assured of getting the AAP version. You get all of the screws, cables, faceplates and other useless stuff for me. The price difference is a petty thing for others to argue about between this and the bulk packages.

I am mostly concerned with AAP versus AAP Pro. Why the switch? If the errors on their specs page are the only difference, then why change the name?

Thanks again.

spoilsport 01-12-2004 09:43

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
if you check the other thread in this forum about this model i believe there's some mention that the pro is the same model with the main difference being that the pro doesn't have a headphone jack on it. performance wise i believe it's the same but not 100% sure. i ordered mine from ajump and got it fast with no problems. it shows up in nero info tools as the aap version and i updated the firmware to 1.07 with no problems.

nec3500question 02-12-2004 01:28

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spoilsport
if you check the other thread in this forum about this model i believe there's some mention that the pro is the same model with the main difference being that the pro doesn't have a headphone jack on it.

I must have missed the headphones part. Thanks. I wonder if they removed it for a technical reason or to save money?

Quote:

Originally Posted by spoilsport
performance wise i believe it's the same but not 100% sure. i ordered mine from ajump and got it fast with no problems. it shows up in nero info tools as the aap version and i updated the firmware to 1.07 with no problems.

Thanks again.

iss 02-12-2004 03:49

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I have twice ordered model 1648/AAP model DVD Roms from ajump and have never had a problem with them.

NScythe 03-12-2004 09:10

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I'm with Iss on this one. Ajump is fine. I love my Aopen 1648/AAP Chameleon Edition. Best drive. Awesome speed. I'm still getting 12.3X to 13X dvd9 rip speeds. Full DVD9 done in around 10 minutes or so. Iss, how's your drive treating you?

iss 03-12-2004 21:31

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
the Aopen 1648/AAP is the best DVD rom drive I have ever bought and I have bought plenty. the second one I bought I put in my wife's computer and I didnt tell her about the change. the first time she backed up a movie using the Aopen was hilarious I was in another room and she litterally screamed " WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO TO THIS COMPUTER??????" I innocently asked her " Why what do you mean?" she said " I just rip and burned this whole movie in 14 min!!!!!!" ( it used to take her between 30- 40 min to rip and burn a movie.)

I am consistently ripping and burning back ups in 11-14 min using the Aopen and my benQ 1620 using anyDVD and Clone DVD2. I had a pile of toshiba's a lite on DVD roms I sold them ALL.

nec3500question 03-12-2004 23:10

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by iss
I am consistently ripping and burning back ups in 11-14 min using the Aopen and my benQ 1620 using anyDVD and Clone DVD2. I had a pile of toshiba's a lite on DVD roms I sold them ALL.

Are you using dual layer DVDs to burn to? Or are you burning to single layer and that 11-14 minutes includes transcoding too?

Either way, that's fast. :)

iss 04-12-2004 01:32

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
that is single layer DVD+R 8X media Taiyo Yuden and verbatim so that include transcoding time. my fastest time so far has been 11:34

randomwalk101 06-12-2004 08:08

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I ordered Aopen from Ajump per iss advice awhile back...no problemo here :)

skullcap 23-12-2004 16:42

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Guys,

I found this drive on CDW. The model number is "91.4ED37.077". Can you tell me which one this is?


http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/specs.aspx?EDC=681620


Thanks

KTL 23-12-2004 17:11

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
That would be the DVD-1648/AAP without the black and silver bezels. Get ready to pay for outrageous shipping charges. I bought one from CDW only because my co-worker's son-in-law works there (discount & free shipping). ;) I asked AOpen USA to send me the black and silver bezels, and they did so freely. :)

skullcap 23-12-2004 18:04

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Where else would you all suggest I get it from? Newegg is backordered again. I'm leery of Ajump. I read a bunch of bad reviews.

KTL 23-12-2004 21:19

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
If you check AOpen's website, there is a list of links to some online vendors that you can try. There was a vendor that had it for ~$29.95 + $5 shipping, or free shipping for two (I'd imagine it's free for over $30), but someone mentioned that the ordering page was NOT secure.

ryback 04-01-2005 00:54

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
if someone know where i can get it shipped for France from worldwide ?

Thanks to him.

ryback 04-01-2005 01:27

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
what are the differences between the next versions ?

AAP
AMH
LKY

balema 04-01-2005 16:26

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I have the same problem, I am looking for AOPEN DVD1648/AAP Pro the Chameleon Edition and I live in Grrece.Which do you think is the most affordable online store for me to ship the DVD at Greece?Thanx in advance!

ryback 04-01-2005 16:48

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
i have sent an email to Aopen Europe.

Nil Einne 25-01-2005 09:50

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
So does anyone actually know what the difference between the pro and nonpro is?

pastryrocks 26-01-2005 00:41

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
opps...

pastryrocks 26-01-2005 00:44

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I’ve been looking for the Aopen DVD 1648 here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada with no luck. Does anyone know where in Canada I can purchase this product on-line or retail? Thanks.

Nil Einne 27-01-2005 00:23

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
The Aopen website has A LOT of people who are listed as retailers in Canada. Most of them claim to only sell motherboards but it is possible some of them also sell Aopen DVD-roms. Unfortunetely, there does not appear to be a way to search their list for a specific product but I'm sure you can go through the list in half an hour and there must be at least one retailer listed there who claims to sell the DVD/ODD.

Or you could call everyone on the Toronto list. There are only about 8. GUO Import and Export website doesn't work but maybe you can still call them

Alternatively, you could ask the distributors.

(http://club.aopen.com.tw/resellers/Reseller_Finder.aspx)

Nil Einne 27-01-2005 00:29

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Also, this is the email I got from Aopen

Quote:

Thanks your feedback, the DVD1648/AAP Pro is the continues
product to replace the same spec. of DVD1648/AAP. The major difference
is the inside of controller chip was merge. Also to improve the reading
capability. And firmware also different.
It appears from this, the main difference is the chipsets have been merged/combined. Fewer chips=lower cost of course. However, there have also been some other minor improvements I suspect. However, I think the major advantage may be in the firmware, esp with regards to ec. Unfortunetely, due the chipset modifications, we cannot use the AAP Pro firmware on the AAP and vice versa so we cannot test the difference!

tulsa 28-01-2005 05:47

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I ordered a 1648AAP from and got the drive today. I turned out to be a 1648AAP Pro. The firmware was 1.00, I updated to 1.01. Seems quick enough but not happy about getting the pro model. Testing and comparison of AAP vs AAP Pro models would be nice.
tulsa

Nil Einne 28-01-2005 06:56

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
So far, all people who have compared the AAP Pro vs the AAP have been positive, suggesting the AAP Pro has better ec and is possibly a little faster as well

iss 28-01-2005 06:58

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I ordered a 1648/AAP from newegg and received it today and it turned out to be a pro model with firmware version 1.00. I was very pleased that this turned out to be a pro model since I have two of the previous models. what little I have used it so far I can tell no difference between the two models in actual performance.

Nil Einne 28-01-2005 13:13

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
As said, most reports suggest the primary advantage is better ec. It's said to be slightly more sensitive (reduces speed sooner then the other one) but a lot more successful. I would especially recommend you try DVD+R/RW (booktype DVD-rom) at 16x and also try to force DVD-/+ R/RW (normal booktype where appropriate) at 16x and see what the results are like, esp with scratched DVDs and also with poorly burnt/cheap media.

rocketman14 28-01-2005 18:39

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
i ordered the chameleon drive from ajump recently and saw that it had a different model number then the 1648/aap. so i emailed aopen and they said that the drive i have is a 1648/aah. so to anyone who got this drive from ajump recently, i don't think it would be a good idea to flash it with the fw for the 1648/aap. i'm gonna have to eat the 15% restocking fee + return shipping and ill probably get the drive from newegg now that they have it in stock.

iss 28-01-2005 20:21

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
the ones at newegg are apparently 1648/AAP pro's at least the one I received yesterday is. that is unfortunate about Ajump I bought two 1648/AAP drives from them a few months ago without any problem.

boobytrap 28-01-2005 22:54

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
So they rip fine then? Fast as youd hoped?

iss 29-01-2005 01:12

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
so far I have ripped only three movies with the new pro version and its rip speed is about the same as the non pro version so far. the only real difference I have seen so far is the pro version is quicker in intial spin up when a disk is inserted. the non pro versions I have sometimes take several seconds for the light to stop blinking after inserting a disc ( burned or commercial) but the new pro version generally only blinks a few times and is ready to go.

chas0039 29-01-2005 01:23

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
If someone with the PRO model would like to respond with a few speed tests using DVDDecrypter and a few movie choices I would be happy to provide you with a speed test for the same DVD on the non PRO model. With a little back and forth I am sure we can find a DVD we both have.

iss 29-01-2005 06:30

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
here are some interesting results. this is the same disc in the same machine using the 1648/AAP and the 1648/AAP pro.

Nero CD/DVD speed results

SPEED

Average 1648 11.82X 1648 Pro 6.90X
Start 1648 6.67X 1648 Pro 3.91X
End 1648 15.71X 1648 Pro 9.16X

SEEK TIMES

Random

1648 86ms 1648 Pro 81ms

1/3

1648 90ms 1648 Pro 84ms

FULL

1648 155ms 1648 Pro 142ms

CPU Usage

1X 1648 6% 1648 Pro 7%

2X 1648 11% 1648 Pro 13%

4X 1648 22% 1648 Pro 26%

8X 1648 50% 1648 Pro 51%

BURST RATE

1648 27Mbps 1648 Pro 23Mbps

now here is the real kicker the Aopen 1648/AAP PRO does not seem to recognize a bit set DVD+R as a DVD rom it is reported as booktype DVD+R in both nero CD?DVD Speed and DVDInfoPro.( while in my benQ the same disk appears as booktype DVD Rom) But the SAME disc in the Aopen 1648/AAP appears as booktype DVD Rom. Nero info tool also reports read speed of DVD+R as 10X in the Aopen 1648 Pro and that is precisely what Nero CD/DVD Speed reflects in the test posted above. the Aopen 1648/AAP pro Does have a read speed of 16X for DVD rom.

I am going to run some more tests this time with the original discs intead of backups and swap the non pro and pro versions back and forth so I can test in the same machine.

Nil Einne 29-01-2005 10:36

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
iss: It would be very good if you could test some scratched dvds and also if you have any poorly burnt media and any cheap media, test that as well since the AAP Pro is said to have better ec (from two people who have independently reported) then the AAP. Don't just test the speed but if possible make sure it is accurately reading the data...
Also what firmware you using? For the AAP I assume 1.07. For the AAP Pro I've read 1.01 possibly has better ec but is slower then 1.00. One more thing. For DVD+/- R/RW it's said that you can force the AAP (and probably AAP Pro) to read at 16x by using CD bremse or CD speed. But with the AAP if you force it at 16x, it will NOT slow down if the drive encounter errors therefore it will often fail. It will be interesting to see what the AAP Pro is like in this regard

chas0039: the trouble is the same disc doesn't mean it's the same. for starters you're going to need someone who gets the same region discs as you because a region 2 disc is obviously going to be different from a region 3. A region 1 vs region 2 etc will be even worse since region 1 will be NTSC whereas region 2 will be PAL. Even if you do both have same region disks, you don't really no if it's the same since there are probably going to be a lot of different pressings. If you check the number/code etc on the disk you may be able to determine if it's the same pressing or not but I do not much about the number so this may not be the case. And even if it is the same pressing, it's still a different disk which may have scratches etc. If you manage to get a large enough sample size, I would say at least 20 disks you may be able to get meaningful data but it will be much easier if someone with both drives just test it.

iss 29-01-2005 17:30

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Firmware for the Aopen 1648/AAP is 1.07 for the 1648 Pro it is 1.01

pastryrocks 02-02-2005 08:39

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
[QUOTE=Nil Einne]

Or you could call everyone on the Toronto list. There are only about 8. GUO Import and Export website doesn't work but maybe you can still call them

Thanks Nil Einne for your quick response. I’ve been busy which means I don’t get to check the message forums as often as I would like to.
I’ve called every AOpen retailer in Toronto and no one has the 1648 in stock and the distributor here in Canada is not restocking this product. They want to push the AOpen DVD writers. There is one fellow, who will order from the states, but he must import 20 drives, and since I have no real use for that many drives, he will not order any.
So it seems that I may have to purchase a LiteOn XJ-166S, unless someone out there knows someone who ships to Canada?

dja2k 03-02-2005 21:45

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I got lucky and ordered an aopen from newegg this week for $24.50 plus shipping. It took three days to get here. Anyways, I found out it says 1648/AAP Pro. It says that it was made December 2004 on it. Now I am confused with the postings on the thread of AAP vs PRO stuff. Does the pro read all media or not and if so, is it as fast as the regular one?

Thanks,
dja2k

iss 03-02-2005 22:34

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
it has been my expirience so far that the pro version reads everything the non pro can. and so far as I have seen with mine the pro is slightly slower than the non pro. but it is still faster than about anything else.

Nil Einne 03-02-2005 22:48

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
There reason you are confused is because no one has really tested it that well. The Pro as with most DVD drives reads most media, except DVD-ram. It appears that the Pro may be slightly slower then the nonpro. However, it may also have better ec (or maybe it's firmware just doesn't have the ec bug the nonpro has) and it is also faster at recognising DVDs then the nonpro. However, these are all based on a few users feedback so take it with a grain of salt.

In any case, it appears both the pro and nonpro are very good DVD readers.

P.S. There is further info on what I wrote above in my other posts.
P.P.S. Since you already have a drive, don't worry about it.

Cyprus55 06-02-2005 23:25

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dja2k
I got lucky and ordered an aopen from newegg this week for $24.50 plus shipping. It took three days to get here. Anyways, I found out it says 1648/AAP Pro. It says that it was made December 2004 on it. Now I am confused with the postings on the thread of AAP vs PRO stuff. Does the pro read all media or not and if so, is it as fast as the regular one?

Thanks,
dja2k

Is the drive you got from newegg Beige, Model# 91.4ED37.402? if so did it come with the black and silver fronts?

dja2k 06-02-2005 23:28

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Actually my Aopen drive was all black and to tell you the truth, it is really fast in ripping dvd's. It is much faster than my old Liteon 166s. Still not the one you guys are talking about, but is is fast and I am satisfied with the faster reading speeds.

dja2k

Cyprus55 06-02-2005 23:43

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
You got it from newegg? Do you remember the modl # that newegg listed in the specs?

dja2k 06-02-2005 23:45

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
All I know is that I oredered the on in this link http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-579&depa=0 .

dja2k

Cyprus55 06-02-2005 23:58

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
How fast are you ripping with this drive? I am using an old DVD drive and i am ripping at 3000 KB/s using dvd shrink

Nil Einne 07-02-2005 00:03

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Yes your experience is consistent with most people who have tested the AAP Pro dja2k. As I've mentioned, altho the Pro may not be quite as fast as the AAP (as reported by a few people) so far they have all agreed that it is still fast.

Cyprus55 07-02-2005 00:16

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
How fast does it ripp? I'm just trying to find out if its worth buying a new drive like the Aopen.

BoostFrenzy 07-02-2005 01:29

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
As i've said in previous threads, I spoke to AOpen USA technicial support and was informed not only is the DVD1648/AAP PRO a LITEON hardware drive but also a firmware is in beta right now to help bump the speed while maintaining good error correction (something rev 1.0 of firmware didn't do well however was faster)

looks like the non aap-pro is no longer going to be produced and aopen is working to better the aap pro as we speak, far as speed goes my aap pro is very fast, usually topping out @ 16-17,000kb/sec on DL movie discs and most all movies are ripped within 7-11 minutes

Cyprus55 07-02-2005 02:04

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I think i will pick one up, newegg has them instock. I am currently ripping at 3000 KB\s and it takes about 40 mins to rip an average movie :sad: with dvd shrink. Thats with out burn time added.

chas0039 07-02-2005 04:16

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Looks like you bought the last one as they are out of stock. Thanks for all the information. I am glad that I got the old one and equally glad that the new one is almost as good. It always helps to have a plan B in case hardware fails.

BoostFrenzy: It looks nothing like any of the AOpen models I have seen; did your source happen to mention which Liteon it is? They only seem to currently make the 167T and I know that it rips almost as fast as the 1648 AAP when the codeguys hacks were applied.

iss 07-02-2005 05:01

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I have a Lite on 167T and it is a good 3/4 of an inch shorter in length than the AOpen 1648/AAP Pro so I dont think it is a rebaged lite on.

dja2k 07-02-2005 23:02

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I agree, I don't think its a rebaged liteon, it seems that most liteons are smaller than usual and this thing is a bit longer. This thing is way to fast to have the liteon name and hardware compared to perivious liteon 163, 165, 166s, 167t without forced\hacked firmwares, this Aopen kicks so much...... Anyways, it does rip really fast like the other post said 10-11 minutes. I might have bought the last one in black though, better luck next time :cool: Don't worry Newegg will have them in stock again soon.

dja2k

Cyprus55 08-02-2005 00:16

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Newegg is out of stock again (both colors) i guess i will just have to keep checking.

trooper44 18-02-2005 03:17

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Any one know where they stil have the non-pro version? Would order from Newegg, but want the faster rip speeds.

Mwave has it but no details on which version it is or even if it's beige or black drive.

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....iteria=AA14720

BuddTX 09-03-2005 00:06

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I have been waiting for newegg to re-stock the 1648 in Black for over a month now.

Would rather wait for a "fresh" batch from newegg, but am getting impatient.

They have changed the ETA date at least 4 times, and now, they do not even list an ETA date.

Does anyone know what the hold up is on these drives?

Thanks.

Nil Einne 09-03-2005 02:09

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Are you talking about the AAP or the AAP Pro? The AAP is an old model, no longer made I believe so there is a good chance you're not going to see any anymore

bastage1271 13-03-2005 14:24

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I just got a pro from thenerds.net. It came in two days with regular ground shipping. Retail Chameleon

wfn 14-03-2005 04:12

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
how can you tell if your chameleon is a AAP Pro or a non-Pro version? Or are all Chameleons Pro?

Nil Einne 14-03-2005 07:07

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I had thought all Chameleons were Pro but now I'm not so sure. In any case, it should be written on the top of your drive and also it should be in the name the drive reports.

VeryBadBoy 14-03-2005 10:09

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
There are no more non-pro models sold, only pro models. I've checked the manufacture model numbers of the Aopen models at Newegg and TheNerds and they match that of the 6 varieties listed on the Aopen website for the 1648/AAP Pro. Newegg only has in stock the Aopen/White/OEM model and TheNerds has in stock the Aopen/Chameleon(3colors)/retail model - same price $25 at both places, but Newegg's shipping is $3.50 vs TheNerd's shipping is $10. Sales tax for Newegg includes California and a few other states, while TheNerd's sales tax is Florida only. In my case in California the total price is under $5 difference.

Nil Einne 14-03-2005 11:57

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
That is not correct. I don't know about the US, but the non-Pro is still available. However, it is no longer produced so all non-Pro are old stock.

BuddTX 14-03-2005 18:45

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Thanks for the info on thenerds.net

As others have said, as of 10:30 central time on 3-14-05, newegg still only has the beige in stock.

I am building a home theater PC, so having all black in kind of important to me, so I think I will just wait for newegg to get the black back in stock, at least I will be assured that I will have the latest version!

Nil Einne 14-03-2005 21:48

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Please note that it is still not certain whether the Pro or the nonPro is better.

VeryBadBoy 14-03-2005 22:19

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
The latest reports with the latest firmware of the Pro indicates it is better. The Pro definitely has superior ECC so reads poor media better. And its faster for DL rips too now - in another thread a guy with both a Pro and non-Pro measured the rip speed of The Matrix (DL DVD-Video) and the Pro read a little faster. Even if they were equal speed, the superior ECC on the Pro makes it the winner.

Here's the link to the in-stock TheNerd's Aopen 1648/AAP Pro Chameleon (has white,black,silver front bezels) retail version latest model - confirmed by the listed Aopen model number:
http://www.thenerds.net/productpage.asp?un=328087

Nil Einne 15-03-2005 00:26

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Really? When I did the research I did not find this to be the case. There were reports by 1 person that the Pro had better EC. However, I did not find any other reports that the Pro had better EC. In fact, on further investigation, I found out it was not somemuch that the EC was better with the Pro but that the EC did not have a problem that the nonPro had when the speed trick was enabled. When the speed trick was enabled, one person found that the EC on the nonPro did not work and did not slow down the drive and therefore the read failed. There were no other reports on EC that I could find. Also, since I could only get the nonPro I got that. In my tests, I have not yet found the nonPro fail to slow down with the speed trick enabled which surprised me. I have not yet found a DVD which is bad enough that it has to slow down significantly but I have found it does occasionally slow down. Therefore, I'm personally not so confident the EC issue is real.

Could you point me to the reports you mention?

As for the DL issue, I remember reading that. If I recall, the difference was minimal and the person only conducted one test. I would not say this is a very reliable test...

BuddTX 17-03-2005 00:50

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Well now, it seems that NewEgg has removed the AOPEN 1648 BLACK from it's listing entirely!

So, anyone know what is going on?

Nil Einne 17-03-2005 07:12

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Maybe they're only going to get the Chameleon or they've decided not to seel Aopen DVD-roms anymore?

BuddTX 15-04-2005 17:10

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
So, where can I source a BLACK Aopen 1648 Pro?

My favorite, Newegg.com, does not seem to carry the Black, only the Biege.

iss 15-04-2005 19:21

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
you might try ajump.com I purchased two of my AOpen 1648\ AAP's from them.

ryback 15-04-2005 20:31

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Hi,

Just for info, in France the AOpen DVD1648AAP Chameleon is avaiable here:
LDLC :)

VeryBadBoy 17-04-2005 09:56

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BuddTX
So, where can I source a BLACK Aopen 1648 Pro?

My favorite, Newegg.com, does not seem to carry the Black, only the Biege.

These guys show in stock for the chamelon retail version. That includes all 3 color face plates (black, beige, silver) so you are covered even if you change cases in the future:
http://www.thenerds.net/productpage.asp?un=328087

Kamakzie 18-05-2005 02:02

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I bought the Chamelon drive from Neutronexpress here in the USA and this thing is smoking fast!

mshmd 27-06-2005 23:59

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Is this the highly desireable version of the AOpen Chameleon?

Kamakzie 28-06-2005 00:09

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Yeah it was the Chameleon version it had white, beize and black.

Prashh 28-06-2005 19:52

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Can anyone tell me if these models are Aopen 1648/AAP?

1. http://www.appinformatica.com/fichas...010app6214.htm
2. http://www.appinformatica.com/fichas...010app6033.htm
3. http://www.unitelonline.com/lector-d...-1648-4125.htm

The photos disturb to me.

http://www.unitelonline.com/i-4125/L...DVD%201648.jpg

Thanks. :clap:

Wolfie8881 12-07-2005 00:43

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
Hey people, i own a COM5232/AAH PRO and it rip slow too, but i was checking out information on the drive and found out that it has a technology that they call Speed Boost here is a link with the info

http://global.aopen.com.tw/tech/tech...speedboost.htm

well anyway, if you hold the eject tray button for 5 to 7 seconds the light will blink twice and it enables Speed Boost, i tried it and it speeded my drive some, like 25% improvement, maybe more.

Massillonsimcity 08-09-2006 22:33

Re: AOpen 1648/AAP vs PRO models + where to buy.
 
I bought 2 AOpen 1648 pro's a while ago & I'm very happy with them. I recently tried to buy another & I'm having problems tracking one down.

What happened to the 1648 pro????

Is the AOpen DVD 1648L pro the replacement model?

Whats different between the 2 models?


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