New LiteOn DVD RW - SOHW 1213S !

SOHW - 1213S

Hrrrrrrm.....wonder how it stacks up against the rest of the 12x crop?

Odd - I seem to recall reading somewhere that the 812S chipset/PUH is capable of 12x functions. MT1818E can go this far? Am I mistaken? Then again, I guess the new x13 designation would be indicative of a new PUH entirely?

I shoudn´t worry...

If I recall right this dual chipset can provide system specification of 16/16/8/8/52/32/52/16.

What I mis most is the DL (Double Layer) support...

Hmm ... This seems a bit strange, since there was announced that
"most manufacturers will skip 12x speed and jump direct to 16x"
& "Lite-On also confirms the co-operation with Sony which probably means
this drive will have the same specifications as the recently announced DRU-700A from Sony.
Lite-On will follow up this drive with a 16x version in June" &
"16x from BenQ, LiteOn, Philips, Pioneer and Sony expected for July 2004"

16x DVD±R and double layer DVD+R burners from Lite-On and Pioneer

DVD+RW alliance skips 12x speed

Ahhh corporate miscommunication to the masses. There is little more frustrating in this life....

Those news items about LiteOn skipping 12x are rather old. They changed their stance not long after those articles.

My guess is that this is the same old chipset, but with different hardware. The 12x ZCLV DVD-burn and the 48x CAV CD speeds will result in quite a bit more stress being put on the motors and hardware than the current generation of drives, so it sounds like a completely new set hardware to me.

Pity DVD-reading is still down at 12x CAV. I mean, the 8x burners were already burning faster than they can read... this is going to be burning MUCH faster than it can ready.

I'd be happier if they got PCAV instead of ZCLV, though, but oh well.

but no DL support!
that make the drive not interessted!

Then go get a 832S.

With the current issues with DL media availability, price, compatibility, and slooooooooow burn speed, the first generation of DL is going to be a flop due to issues with practicality. Methinks it'll be even less popular than -RW. The only people who will actually use it are those who want to use it for the sake of using it (my guess is that the vast majority of people wanting DL capabilities on their drive want it not for the sake of DL, but for the sake of bragging rights of having such a novelty); I'm willing to bet that most people will hold off on DL until at least the 2nd generation when faster media, better compatibility, and lower prices come around.

I'd be very interested to see just how many of the people going bonkers over the NEC DL conversion are people who would actually end up using it.

Of course, I can't speak for you, but I personally have no interest in DL. I will most likely burn a total of just one DL disc (for proof of concept) and never touch DL again until at least the 2nd generation of drives/media.

I couldn't agree more.
We have been "chewing the bark off trees" waiting to get good reliable 8x burns.
Why would you want to go back to 2.4x burning speed and pay double or triple for the media to have the "privilege" of doing so?
Personally I want to strip all the crap out of my DVD's and just have the movie.
Data backups would be a different matter but the capacity hardly suits the hdd sizes...

Looking in my documentation......

1213S will have a new chipset and OPU (Optical pickup Unit) compared to the 8x2s.......

Interesting.....the 1613S will be identical hardware wise (same chipset and OPU) - and will support 2.4x DVD+R DL............

Hmm, interesting.

So they're basically doing the same thing with 12x and 16x recorders that they did with 4x and 8x?? (As in put out the slower speed first, and as they get more time to develop the firmware, put out a faster speed on the same hardware?)

I think we all got the message...

If they're releasing a 12x, then it's because they have enough OEM orders to make it worthwhile. Reading from the same "book" as OC, it looks like all the PATA burners will now have this same hardware.

Welkl this is good coz im gonna get 2 SOHW 1213S - so if they can be hacked to 16x all the better

12x Does sound a little more interesting though, dont you agree, ...

I don't think that we'll have a wide variety of 4x media burning well at 12x or 16x, while 8x media prices are yet to drop down. Certainly, media manufacturers wiil catch up, but looking at the situation with DL media I'm not very optimistic. I'm pretty much satisfied with the current burn speed. 4.4gb of data under 9 min is good enough for me, and now I prefer to pay more attention to the burn quality.
Anyway, I understand your excitment - 16x sounds very cool ;-)

8x media is very cheap now - 8.50GBP for 25 discs now - 8x has drop in the past week or so. http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk - cheap media including 8x

What you want, though, is 8x +R media. 8x -R will still burn at 8x.

Given how wonderfully well 2.4x Ricoh media burns at 8x, I won't be surprised if there's good 4x media out there that can be oversped to 12x...

I'm just very curious about the write quality. It's a new chipset with a new set of hardware. Maybe this is what it takes to finally resolve existing quality issues. Here's to hoping...!

Is this going to be possible, because the 812 can read at 12x so the motor or what's his namo can spin that fast, or is the laser too weak to do the job.

Is there perhaps any chance for a hacked firmware that will burn cd's at 48 speed in stead of 40x or even higher 52x

If these questions are stupid, I'm sorry

It's almost certainly not gonna work.

(merged)

ah well, now I know

thanks

Why is everybody complaining about the speed of recording a DVD+R DL, if you count up the time it takes, when backing up a movie when you have to reencode and then burn at 8x, I doubt it would be any faster than burning at 2.4x

I think I've backed up only a handful of movies. Most of what I do is data backup. But you do have a valid point that if it's movies that people are doing, they'll be saving on the encoding time.

But the compatibility/availability/price issues still need to be contended with...

yep if your only doing data backups then it is slooow

But if we the consumers are negative towards DVD+R DL and never gonna buy it until it's cheap, than it is going to take a long time to get cheap...

But I agree it's to expensive, and bad availability, where can read some info on compatibility, I think it's soon to say that it isn't compatible enough, but I could be wrong