LiteOn 165P6S Test Firmware Results

jjtommyjj · 01-04-2006

OK,here is a 12x-

*Corbus* · 01-04-2006

Quite strange I observed that Verbatim MCC004 media burnt in Liteon w fw MV7U are read by the Litey at 16x unlike any other media... does anyone have any explanation for this behaviour? Subsequently I ask if there is a possiblity to make this drive read by default any disc at 16x (speedhack) like the old dvd-rom from liteon?

jjtommyjj · 01-04-2006

Can you please rephrase your question ? I'm not sure i'm following you about reading @ 16 x since all *my* scans are read at 8x and i'm not seeing any other *read* scans at 16x. Most of my scans are *burns* at 16x but not reads.

Thanks !!

Tom

A_T · 01-04-2006

Infiniti branded MCC 03RG20 burned @ 8x with DVDDecypter 3.5.4.0. Everything on.

bichi · 01-04-2006

New Retail 165P6S
- SHM-165P6S04C
- Manufacture Date: Jan 2006
- Made in China
- $32.95 on sale at local retailer
- came with MS0F
- Nero OEM Suite 3
- PowerDVD 5

165P6S - MV7U
MAX002 +R @ 8x
Lead-In: 4.73mm
SB: off
HT: off
OS: off

bichi · 01-04-2006

165P6S - MV7U
MCC03RG20 -R @ 16x
Lead-In: 4.65mm
SB: off
HT: off
OS: off

*chas0039* · 02-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by A_T

Infiniti branded MCC 03RG20 burned @ 8x with DVDDecypter 3.5.4.0. Everything on.

This confirms it. For this media, 8X is the speed. This is the third scan I have seen. It is better than any MCC 02RG20 ever was. Too bad they sell it as 16X, but I suppose it does burn, even if not very well.

*chas0039* · 02-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjtommyjj

OK,here is a 12x-

You might try rescanning at 4X. I have found my drive is not consistent with older Liteon scans when done at 8X and since I want as much comparibility as possible, I stick to 4X.

A_T · 02-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by chas0039

This confirms it. For this media, 8X is the speed. This is the third scan I have seen. It is better than any MCC 02RG20 ever was. Too bad they sell it as 16X, but I suppose it does burn, even if not very well.

I find that for both MCC 02RG20 and MCC 004 far better results are achieved at 8x than anything higher.

A_T · 02-04-2006

Panasonic branded printable TYG02 burned with DVDDecrypter @ 8x. Everything on.

I'm getting great results with this firmware sticking to 8x with TYG02, MCC 004 (MIT) and MCC 03RG20 (MIT).

*chas0039* · 02-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by A_T

Panasonic branded printable TYG02 burned with DVDDecrypter @ 8x. Everything on.

I'm getting great results with this firmware sticking to 8x with TYG02, MCC 004 (MIT) and MCC 03RG20 (MIT).

That scan on your TYG02 is very good for Liteon, better than mine.

BTW, you can turn off the DVD title in the CDSpeed options.

A_T · 02-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by chas0039

That scan on your TYG02 is very good for Liteon, better than mine.

BTW, you can turn off the DVD title in the CDSpeed options.

Thanks but I like to store my scans with the volume label so I can refer back to them. I just blank them out when I post here.

*Corbus* · 02-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjtommyjj

Can you please rephrase your question ?
Thanks !!

Tom

I was telling that normally Liteon 165P6S reads dvd+r at 5-12x CAV. But some discs like MCC004 are read (ie copied to hdd, if you wish) at 7-16x CAV. This is what I observed and I am puzzled why only some discs are read at 16x max speed; Benq 1640 and newer drives reads at 16x all DVD+/-R media.

jjtommyjj · 02-04-2006

Here is a MIT Verbatim 16x burned at 8x-

jjtommyjj · 02-04-2006

And here is an MCC004 burned at 8x and scanned at 4x

stevem · 05-04-2006

Most of my scans are as per everybody else's, so I'll include three scans from some mediocre 8x rated Gigastorage Corp GSC003 DVD-R.

1. SB=ON, HT=OFF, OS=OFF, Burn Speed=8X
2. SB=ON, HT=ON, OS=OFF, Burn Speed=8X
3. SB=ON, HT=ON, OS=ON, Burn Speed=12X

Now, it's possible that I just got a dud disc (or two), but why would PIE be lower in burn 3 than burn 2? The PIF spike at 1.25GB on burn 3 is common for these discs. Burn 1 was very good until ~3.5GB.

stevem · 05-04-2006

Here's another disc that nothing can burn, from a bulk reel that someone at work got. Vanguard VDSPMSAB001 DVD+R 4x rated.

SB=ON, HT=ON, OS=ON, Burn Speed=8x

jjtommyjj · 05-04-2006

Possibly the 12x write strategy uses a more powerful laser output ot something like that ?

Tom

stevem · 05-04-2006

Yeah, it's possible. 12x is OS on these GSC003s.

Some FW MV7U observations.
1. Loud seek actuation (clicking) on int13 (IDE init).
2. KProbe 2.5.2 doesn't always set HT/OS correctly. SmartBurn 3.1.16 does.
3. KProbe (a number of versions) will no longer scan CDs.
4. CD-DVD Speed weightings not ideal for point estimate result. (Not really FW related).

Wind · 06-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corbus

I was telling that normally Liteon 165P6S reads dvd+r at 5-12x CAV. But some discs like MCC004 are read (ie copied to hdd, if you wish) at 7-16x CAV. This is what I observed and I am puzzled why only some discs are read at 16x max speed; Benq 1640 and newer drives reads at 16x all DVD+/-R media.

I found that only disc can be write at 16x(normal mode, not HT) can be read at 16x for dvd+-R, and I feel that's not reasonable. I'll see if I can have this algorithm changed or not.

*mognegna* · 06-04-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wind

I found that only disc can be write at 16x(normal mode, not HT) can be read at 16x for dvd+-R, and I feel that's not reasonable. I'll see if I can have this algorithm changed or not.

Yes Wind, that's not reasonable.
Burning speed is burning speed, reading speed is another question.
I can understand a slow down of reading speed in the case of a poor disc but not with excellent discs like Taiyo Yuden, MCC, etc...
Nec, BenQ and others read all discs at 16x.
This problem (it's not a very problem but it's pretty strange) is present in all drives of the 5S/6S series.
(Little OT: No news about the QA quality problem with the test firmware of the 1635S? )
Thanks!

bichi · 07-04-2006

165P6S - MV7U
CMC MAG.M01.8 +R @ x16 - Imation - sale, 50pak, ODepot, $14.95
Lead-In: 4.71mm
SB: off
HT: on
OS: off
- No clicks of any sort

bichi · 07-04-2006

165P6S - MV7U
CMC MAG.AM3 -R @ x16 - Imation - sale, 50pak, ODepot, $14.95
Lead-In: 4.51mm
SB: off
HT: on
OS: off
- still no "clicks" of any sort have occured

Appie72 · 09-04-2006

165p6s / MSOM
SB - on
HT - off
OS - off
Burned @ 8x
Brand Traxdata (full printable - Ritek R03-002)

I hope future firmware will burn this discs better..... i've got some more this terrible scans but will burn a few more and change some settings.

Appie72 · 09-04-2006

This is the same disc as above only now burned with a Benq DW1640 and only solid burn on at 8x......... looks to me the disc is not the problem.... or am i wrong?

01-04-2006	#102
Corbus CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 723	Re: LiteOn 165P6S Test Firmware Results Quite strange I observed that Verbatim MCC004 media burnt in Liteon w fw MV7U are read by the Litey at 16x unlike any other media... does anyone have any explanation for this behaviour? Subsequently I ask if there is a possiblity to make this drive read by default any disc at 16x (speedhack) like the old dvd-rom from liteon? __________________ Burning on Benq 1655, Plextor 760A Previous burners: Plextor 712, 755, Pioneer 107,8,9,10,11, LG 4080,4163,H10,H22, NEC 1100,2550,3520, Sony DWQ120, AWG170A, LiteOn 165p6s + 18A1H and a slim AOpen 8424

01-04-2006	#103
jjtommyjj CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 47	Re: LiteOn 165P6S Test Firmware Results Can you please rephrase your question ? I'm not sure i'm following you about reading @ 16 x since all my scans are read at 8x and i'm not seeing any other read scans at 16x. Most of my scans are burns at 16x but not reads. Thanks !! Tom

05-04-2006	#118
jjtommyjj CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Pittsburgh PA Posts: 47	Re: LiteOn 165P6S Test Firmware Results Possibly the 12x write strategy uses a more powerful laser output ot something like that ? Tom

05-04-2006	#119
stevem CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 140	Re: LiteOn 165P6S Test Firmware Results Yeah, it's possible. 12x is OS on these GSC003s. Some FW MV7U observations. 1. Loud seek actuation (clicking) on int13 (IDE init). 2. KProbe 2.5.2 doesn't always set HT/OS correctly. SmartBurn 3.1.16 does. 3. KProbe (a number of versions) will no longer scan CDs. 4. CD-DVD Speed weightings not ideal for point estimate result. (Not really FW related).

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