Question: LITEON 124/234/324/524/624... help! my brain explodes...

*anikk* · 01-03-2010

KTL, I didn't mean the sense of the 324Y against the 424Y (or 424Y against 324Y). I didn't mean wether a rebadged Optiarc makes sense either (at least for us it doesn't, that's for sure). I very specifically meant something that seems to be pure nonsense, really: The sense of the 324Y against the 124Y and the sense of the 424Y against the 224Y!

These ALL four seem to exist. If you have or anybody has a clue why there's four and not just two, please post.

**Liggy** · 01-03-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by anikk

These ALL four seem to exist. If you have or anybody has a clue why there's four and not just two, please post.

No idea here either. Even the firmwares mainly differ in a few bytes that are only used to identify the drive. Maybe they originally intended to add SmartErase with later firmwares.

*KTL* · 01-03-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by anikk

These ALL four seem to exist. If you have or anybody has a clue why there's four and not just two, please post.

The first 24x LO drives were the 4 models based off MTK chipset, but each level added another feature.

iHAS124 = base
iHAS224 = base + LS
iHAS324 = iHAS124 + SE
iHAS424 = iHAS224 + SE

In continuing that trend, LO had to keep making the same models available. However, currently, only the iHAS324 and iHAS424 models are sold as retail packages (at least from what I can tell in the US), and iHAS124 and iHAS224 as bare drives only.

So for the 'Y' series, the 324 is just the retail version of the 124, and 424 the retail version of 224. As Liggy pointed out, the only difference just seems to be the ID string, but they are the same drive respectively. And it comes down to price also, there may not be a need to always buy retail packages with the same software for more $$$ if someone is just replacing a drive, as opposed to installing a drive.

*anikk* · 18-03-2010

Sorry for the huge delay. OK, wow. I'm speechless. I guess I have to think it through and sort it out a little. I'm sure it has its sense for the maker, but for me as a customer it's way too many drives and too little sense visible for the customer.

I saw the other thread as well. Many thanks for making things clear, KTL. I'll sort it out and be back...

*anikk* · 22-03-2010

OK, I hope in a fourth listing everything's fine and correct finally:

iHAS124-xx A: -- -- -- (orig. design / MT1879E)
iHAS124-xx Y: -- -- -- (AD-7240S / MC-10045)

iHAS224-xx A: LS -- -- (orig. design / MT1879LE)
iHAS224-xx Y: LS -- -- (AD-7241S / MC-10045)

iHAS324-xx A: -- -- SE (orig. design / MT1879E)
iHAS324-xx Y: -- -- -- (AD-7240S / MC-10045)

iHAS424-xx A: LS -- SE (orig. design / MT1879LE)
iHAS424-xx Y: LS -- -- (AD-7241S / MC-10045)

iHAS524-xx A: -- LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE)

iHAS624-xx A: LS LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE)

LS=LightScribe, LT=LabelTag, SE=SmartErase, list: list4

*anikk* · 22-03-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liggy

Maybe they originally intended to add SmartErase with later firmwares.

May I take a step back and ask Liggy: Can you - design-wise - imagine that to happen? According to the results and stage of this discussion, the Smart Erase function needs the MTK chipset.

**Liggy** · 23-03-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by anikk

May I take a step back and ask Liggy: Can you - design-wise - imagine that to happen? According to the results and stage of this discussion, the Smart Erase function needs the MTK chipset.

Sorry, but I don't know if the NEC chipset could (with the right firmware programming) support a functionality like SmartErase.

BigBen2k · 04-08-2010

Thanks for all the tips guys; you've helped me avoid a mistake, and I ordered an IHAS424-98 with SmartErase.

*KTL* · 04-08-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen2k

Thanks for all the tips guys; you've helped me avoid a mistake, and I ordered an IHAS424-98 with SmartErase.

Unfortunately, this particular model is NOT a MTK-based drive with SmartErase. It is a rebadged NEC 7241S.

*Some Random Guy* · 04-08-2010

Has anyone confirmed whether the iHAS524-T98A is Mediatek or NEC? I'm guessing from the "A" that it's a Mediatek, but there's no mention of SmartErase anywhere on newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106347

BigBen2k · 04-08-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTL

Unfortunately, this particular model is NOT a MTK-based drive with SmartErase. It is a rebadged NEC 7241S.

I specifically looked for the SmartErase feature, with the understanding that it was a feature unique to the MTK chipset:
http://www.directron.com/ihas42498.html
(local supplier to me, not a plug)

Did I screw up?

*jamescooley1* · 04-08-2010

http://club.myce.com/f44/liteon-124-...4/#post2497825

*KTL* · 05-08-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen2k

I specifically looked for the SmartErase feature, with the understanding that it was a feature unique to the MTK chipset:
http://www.directron.com/ihas42498.html
(local supplier to me, not a plug)

Did I screw up?

As James indicated, I actually have an iHAS424-98 since I knowingly wanted to get it. Trust me, it's NOT a MTK-based drive and does NOT support SmartErase. Unfortunately, not many suppliers will be diligent in knowing the differences because they will just use whatever was advertised. I have an iHAS424 with the MTK chipset that I bought off e B a y, since it's not likely available in retail stores any longer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Some Random Guy

Has anyone confirmed whether the iHAS524-T98A is Mediatek or NEC? I'm guessing from the "A" that it's a Mediatek, but there's no mention of SmartErase anywhere on newegg.

I'm pretty sure it has a MTK chipset, but I'll verify once it arrives on Friday. FWIW, the iHAS524 that I already own doesn't have SmartErase logo on there, just LabelTag, similar to what's shown on NE.

*Some Random Guy* · 05-08-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by KTL

I'm pretty sure it has a MTK chipset, but I'll verify once it arrives on Friday. FWIW, the iHAS524 that I already own doesn't have SmartErase logo on there, just LabelTag, similar to what's shown on NE.

Thanks, that's good enough for me. I just asked because of the "iHAS524-T98A At Newegg" thread, where bulletx saw the 524 on newegg and was worried that it was an NEC because of the absence of a SmartErase logo.

http://club.myce.com/f44/ihas524-t98a-newegg-314526/

BigBen2k · 06-08-2010

Got it today, and sure enough, it's a IHAS424-98 Y, and no reference to SmartErase anywhere on this retail box.

Do ya'll think I should return it? I mostly burn a bunch of DVD movies (on DVD+R), and the odd music CD.

*negritude* · 06-08-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBen2k

Do ya'll think I should return it? I mostly burn a bunch of DVD movies (on DVD+R), and the odd music CD.

Do you already own a Sony/Optiarc AD-7240S or AD-7260S? If not, then keep it. There is nothing wrong with the drive for the average user.

The people who are complaining and upset are people like me who already own the drive in it's original form, and are lamenting the lack of diversity in the optical drive ecosystem of late.

Don't read what geeks/nerds are saying about something and think that automatically applies to you. We complain about a lot of things because we're super-picky.

DouglasWD · 14-08-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Innuendo

Another indicator is the face-plate on the bare drive. If you see the Lite-On and the SmartErase logos you're looking at an MTK-based drive. If those logos are missing, it's an NEC-based one.

I have a Lite-On LH series drive and a new iHAS424 Y (It isn't recognized as xxx 98 - Y just xxx Y) Neither drive has the Lite-on logo.

cryptonym · 12-12-2010

I just got a 424-98B and it shows Smart-Erase on the box as a feature. Are the B's back to MTK?

Manufactured Sept 2010.

*getit29* · 12-12-2010

Quote:

Originally Posted by cryptonym

I just got a 424-98B and it shows Smart-Erase on the box as a feature. Are the B's back to MTK?

Manufactured Sept 2010.

Yes the B drives are using the newer version of MediaTek MT-1839LN chip-set.

*KTL* · 13-02-2011

I thought I would give this identification process another update considering the availability of the MTK 'B' chipsets. So here they are, all three original iHAS424 variants.

'A' chipset : MT1879LE
'B' chipset : MT1839LN
'Y' chipset : MC-10045

From the rear of the 'B' chipset drive, it seems to be using a similar 'A' PCB (note the yellow area), but using the 'Y' SATA connector now (note the green area).

whitewolf573 · 05-03-2011

I have been reading this post , but i have a dude. I have been searching in this forum & google,but i didn't found anything.

The iHAS624,have two versions ( A and B), no?

anikk, in one post (the last list of iHAS models) of this topic worote:
iHAS624-xx A: LS LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE)

So model A has a MediaTek MT1879LE.

I understand there is also a model B

LIGHTNING UK! said in one post that he bought a lite-on iHAS624, that was iHAS624-T32 B. (UPC: 8 44149 00653 6 / EAN: 4 718390 02772)

But he didn't say what chipset had.

The B model is also a MediaTek one ?

What is the difference between both models A, and B ?

*cvs* · 05-03-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitewolf573

I have been reading this post , but i have a dude. I have been searching in this forum & google,but i didn't found anything.

The iHAS624,have two versions ( A and B), no?

anikk, in one post (the last list of iHAS models) of this topic worote:
iHAS624-xx A: LS LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE)

So model A has a MediaTek MT1879LE.

I understand there is also a model B

LIGHTNING UK! said in one post that he bought a lite-on iHAS624, that was iHAS624-T32 B. (UPC: 8 44149 00653 6 / EAN: 4 718390 02772)

But he didn't say what chipset had.

The B model is also a MediaTek one ?

What is the difference between both models A, and B ?

I beg yer pardon???

You must have been paying a lot of attention while doing all that reading

Your questions have been answered twice in this thread, in the very 2 posts previous to yours!

'A' chipset : MT1879LE
'B' chipset : MT1839LN (all B drives use the same chipset).

What's the difference? - Different chipsets to start with obviously, and probably some changes in the electronic circuitry due to that, and maybe even a different OPU than the one in the A series ... point is you can't crossflash in between 'A' and 'B' drives, unless you hate your drive and you want to kill it ...

whitewolf573 · 05-03-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvs

Your questions have been answered twice in this thread, in the very 2 posts previous to yours!

'A' chipset : MT1879LE
'B' chipset : MT1839LN (all B drives use the same chipset).

Ah , sorry , i saw a post where it said what chipset uses A, and what B , but i thought it was refered only to iHAS424 (i think it was iHAS424 ).

So this is valid for all iHASx24 modells.

Thanks.

*cvs* · 06-03-2011

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitewolf573

Ah , sorry , i saw a post where it said what chipset uses A, and what B , but i thought it was refered only to iHAS424 (i think it was iHAS424 ).

So this is valid for all iHASx24 modells.

Thanks.

When it comes to the B series, they all use the same Mediatek chipset, but they are not all hardware identical. There are in fact two hardware streams available:

iHAS124, iHAS324 & iHAS524 are all identical in hardware, it is the firmware which enables/disables various features. These drives do not have a LightScribe sensor module, so although you can crossflash them to any other B model from the second group, the LightScribe feature will still not work due to the missing module.

iHAS224, iHAS424 & iHAS624 are all identical in hardware, and again it is the firmware which enables/disables various features. These drives all have the LightScribe hardware included, and they are all LightScribe enabled.

The LabelTag/LabelFlash feature on the other hand does not require any additional hardware so any B drive can be flashed to an iHAS524 or iHAS624 and the result will be a LabelTag enabled drive. Same goes for the Smart Erase feature ... any iHAS324 B, iHAS424 B, iHAS524 B or iHAS624 B firmware is Smart Erase enabled.

The various features can be summarised as it follows:

Code:

iHAS124 B: -- -- --
iHAS224 B: LS -- --
iHAS324 B: -- -- SE
iHAS424 B: LS -- SE
iHAS524 B: -- LT SE 
iHAS624 B: LS LT SE

where: LS=LightScribe, LT=LabelTag, SE=SmartErase

*KTL* · 07-03-2011

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01-03-2010	#26
anikk MyCE Resident Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 515	KTL, I didn't mean the sense of the 324Y against the 424Y (or 424Y against 324Y). I didn't mean wether a rebadged Optiarc makes sense either (at least for us it doesn't, that's for sure). I very specifically meant something that seems to be pure nonsense, really: The sense of the 324Y against the 124Y and the sense of the 424Y against the 224Y! These ALL four seem to exist. If you have or anybody has a clue why there's four and not just two, please post. __________________ -

18-03-2010	#29
anikk MyCE Resident Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 515	Re: LITEON 124/234/324/524/624... help! my brain explodes... Sorry for the huge delay. OK, wow. I'm speechless. I guess I have to think it through and sort it out a little. I'm sure it has its sense for the maker, but for me as a customer it's way too many drives and too little sense visible for the customer. I saw the other thread as well. Many thanks for making things clear, KTL. I'll sort it out and be back... __________________ -

22-03-2010	#30
anikk MyCE Resident Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 515	OK, I hope in a fourth listing everything's fine and correct finally: iHAS124-xx A: -- -- -- (orig. design / MT1879E) iHAS124-xx Y: -- -- -- (AD-7240S / MC-10045) iHAS224-xx A: LS -- -- (orig. design / MT1879LE) iHAS224-xx Y: LS -- -- (AD-7241S / MC-10045) iHAS324-xx A: -- -- SE (orig. design / MT1879E) iHAS324-xx Y: -- -- -- (AD-7240S / MC-10045) iHAS424-xx A: LS -- SE (orig. design / MT1879LE) iHAS424-xx Y: LS -- -- (AD-7241S / MC-10045) iHAS524-xx A: -- LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE) iHAS624-xx A: LS LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE) LS=LightScribe, LT=LabelTag, SE=SmartErase, list: list4 __________________ -

04-08-2010	#33
BigBen2k New Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 10	Re: LITEON 124/234/324/524/624... help! my brain explodes... Thanks for all the tips guys; you've helped me avoid a mistake, and I ordered an IHAS424-98 with SmartErase.

04-08-2010	#35
Some Random Guy MyCE Resident Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 659	Has anyone confirmed whether the iHAS524-T98A is Mediatek or NEC? I'm guessing from the "A" that it's a Mediatek, but there's no mention of SmartErase anywhere on newegg. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827106347 __________________ IDE Drives: 5 x Plextor PX-740A @ BenQ DW1640 BSLB 2 x Pioneer DVR-115D @ A15J 1.22 2 x Pioneer DVR-116D @ A16J 1.10 Pioneer DVR-117D @ 117F 1.07 SATA Drives: LG GGW-H20L YL05 Lite-On iHES208 8L09 Pioneer BDR-205 1.11 CD-R = Taiyo Yuden, DVD-R = MCC 003, DVD+R = MCC 004, DVD+R DL = MKM 003, BD-R = VERBATIMc, BD-R DL = TDKBLD-RFB-000

04-08-2010	#37
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06-08-2010	#40
BigBen2k New Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 10	Re: LITEON 124/234/324/524/624... help! my brain explodes... Got it today, and sure enough, it's a IHAS424-98 Y, and no reference to SmartErase anywhere on this retail box. Do ya'll think I should return it? I mostly burn a bunch of DVD movies (on DVD+R), and the odd music CD. __________________ Lite-On LH-20A - retired Lite-On IHAS524-T98A Last edited by BigBen2k; 06-08-2010 at 02:39.

12-12-2010	#43
cryptonym New Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1	I just got a 424-98B and it shows Smart-Erase on the box as a feature. Are the B's back to MTK? Manufactured Sept 2010.

05-03-2011	#46
whitewolf573 New Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: North of Spain Posts: 3	I have been reading this post , but i have a dude. I have been searching in this forum & google,but i didn't found anything. The iHAS624,have two versions ( A and B), no? anikk, in one post (the last list of iHAS models) of this topic worote: iHAS624-xx A: LS LT SE (orig. design / MT1879LE) So model A has a MediaTek MT1879LE. I understand there is also a model B LIGHTNING UK! said in one post that he bought a lite-on iHAS624, that was iHAS624-T32 B. (UPC: 8 44149 00653 6 / EAN: 4 718390 02772) But he didn't say what chipset had. The B model is also a MediaTek one ? What is the difference between both models A, and B ?

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