Pxlinux : it's over !

This is a very sad day for plextor user. Two bad news in a row today.

Up to this very moment I have, unlike what the letter claims, not received any email concerning this matter, besides the communication between Zeb and me.

Also, a limit of 2 days for an answer is in my opinion not acceptable

2 days? Even Intel Korea gave at least one month for DC-Inside. (Intel Korea wanted the "-Inside" name as Intel's own.) DC's boss replied in public that they will change their domain and company name by 210*, not 200*.

@Kenshin
Yes, i have lot of smile, but This War of Plextor Vs User, can fast cange the situation, think a PX-Premiun Whitout Blind Write Special Copy Mode Support, or an Aplify Wheak Sector for all the devices but not for Plextor......

If Plextor Want a Scene WAR, is easy to Defeat Plextor.........
.......The Plex Tools Can't Compete, whith the scene special software.

think the Spot .....Don't support Plextor because Plextor don't support US !

In this forum there is Much exponent of much software scene like....

Blindwrite Team, Elby/SlySoft, Alcohol Team and Much More.......
......all if they want can stop to support Plextor and consider it like a normal devices....... ........the support forum..... ......can disappair.

my smiles on the sign...... Pufff..... can disappair......

I Love Plextor Devices..... but i Hate this New Policy.....

Wasn't it Old Policy?

Nope, old policy was that they didn't offer Linux tools nor didn't help us to make any, but old policy wasn't that they tried to force people to use Windows by attacking pxlinux

1: Plextor is can't win a price contest as they are very expensive. I could easily get two BenQ DW1640 or NEC ND-3540 drives for the price of one PX-716A...
2: Plextor can't deliver the best writing quality at 16x (It is the most expensive and thus should be best, right?) compared to drives like BenQ, NEC and LG.
3: Plextor do not have the best media compatibility.
4: Some plextor TLA versions seems to have more than average problems - luckily plextor have very good support to get drives replaced (at least in Europe).
5: And now they are threatening people that develops programs that potentially increase the sales of plextor drives by making programs to fully use the fetures of the plextor drives. Especially under other operating systems like linux.

To me the future of Plextor seems less than bright.....

I knew about this already at CeBit, as we were discussing it with them there

But I wonder what could Plextor do. PxLinux isn't breaking any law (I think).. so for what can they sue zeb_ for.. because he harmed "their good name and fame" or "unfair commercial practices"? This isn't violating the law.. if so everyone could sue the competition for this.. and we would have a monopoly in every field.

I knew about that too, but I didn't really think they'd dare trying to pull it off

This is u.n.b.e.l.i.e.v.a.b.l.e!

How low can Plextor be ??? But the best of all, they dare to say "unfair commercial practices" ... now look who's talking !!!

Do they think it is fair to sell us highly overpriced CRAP, defective out of the box and which needs to be RMA'ed several times before the user is finally lucky enough to get a decent unit ???

Was it fair to knowingly continue selling a "lottery" unit (PX712A) for few months until they finally "patch" it more or less with the magic FW 1.05???

Was it fair what happened with PX716 for few months after its disgraceful US debut??? Don't tell me they didn't knew they were selling crap (as they knew very well that some PX712s had problems too) ... or if they did not knew initially, then it became plain clear after few weeks. Did they recall the units from the market??? ... Nope ... they (again) continued selling the crap, buying time at the expense of the users, until they could fix their SW and HW flaws and desperately try to save what was left from their precious "good name and fame"!

So, after all these monumental blunders, how do they understand to make it up to their long enduring customers???

Instead of adding some extra features to the old Plextools Pro, they put all the new development in Plextools XL and make it commercial. Do they even offer their existing customers an upgrade path? Of course not! Let's rip off the poor bastards even more!

They stop Erik from releasing his new CD-DVD Speed version which is capable of using Plextor drives for quality scans! If we want good software then we should either buy Plextools XL or get lost!

And now they want to sue Zeb and Alexander who helped us all by providing their own hard work for free, and in effect did what Plextor should have done for us in the first place!

Unbelievable! They never cease to amaze me!!! Their greed is becoming proverbial Speaking by anticompetitive practices and shooting yourself in the leg ... they don't need anyone to ruin their "good name and fame" ... they are specialists in doing it (to) themselves ... this is just another step ...

Well, few days ago, I've voted in our funny poll for: "Plextor is the big SATAN and I shall want no more !" which was intended as a funny answer to a funny poll. Little that I knew what the greedy ba*tards have in store for us! Now I'm glad I did it, because they fully deserve it!

Now, this last piece of Plextor "treat" is too much, they did it once too many times for my taste. I tell you now, and I'm saying it very clearly for the first time: I will never ever buy a Plextor product again, and I shall do my best to advise everyone I can, not to buy Plextor in the future either!

I reckon the first thing Zeb and Alexander should do, is to have a chat with a lawyer and not give away anything before that ... and I'm sure they can get a good one, willing to advice them (and defend them) for free ... I'm also sure they'll get our full support too.

Meanwhile, I reckon we need some publicity around this issue ... WE should sue them for their grand failures, not viceversa!

i'm quite disturbed and disgusted by this as well...and have let my Plextor contact know...this is seriously making me reconsider ever purchasing another Plextor product (as i'm adamantly in favor of any/everything open-sourced)...

@cvs

Nice again.

@ Kenshin

if you look the plextor web site you can look in download section, if you look very well you can see software for AmigaOS a Flasher and a Speed control software writed from third person not from plextor ..... this is the Old Policy.

A first change is arrived when plextor have buy the first Sanyo chipset......
...stoped all the datasheet and document for the scene.....

And now whith the Plextools XL a new Policy again.......
.....stop all support......
- the next Move is a Dedicated Firmware upgarade Only for XL ??
- Special Features only for XL ?? ......
- copy mode ....... ....... ...... .... ... . .... .. .. . .. .. .only... for XL

Plah !!!!

I hope in a change of Route...... ot seriously this is my last Plextor....
...i think to pass to Linux first of the incoming Blinded OS LongHorn....
... is the only way to use PC in the Scene whith the next OS.....
... that run only "Valentino" & "Versace" Software... or "D&G "
... and i want use My Plextor in Linux whit all the "King Of Quality" Features not a ridicolous Double Priced devisces.....

I can't access cdfreaks' news page at the moment (Warning: Host 'rmg.cdfreaks.com' is blocked because of many connection errors. Unblock with 'mysqladmin flush-hosts' in /home/cdf2005/framework.php on line 33 blah blah), so I can't check if this has already been done, but that should be worth a sticky and a news item. I think possible customers who use different operating systems than windows should know that they may have issues using the QCheck features

I got it. I also thought of the same thing. (I browse Plextor's various sites from time to time just to see what their sites do.)

Sorry, there was a problem with one of the servers. I hope a reboot finally fixed it. Feel free to use our news submit now.

This WILL definately be my last Plextor after reading this thread. Damn Plextor just wants to squeeze every penny they can from consumers thay buy their products. Someone start a poll and ask the readers of the forum after reading this thread that this will be the Last Plextor of anything. Comon Plextor you are working in a consumer driven market, and if you handle problems like this you wont last very long. In my opinion this could be the "Incident" that will cause Plextor to branch off even more markets that they already have with that hardware encoding business. If people now post to buy a plextor or not in this forum guess what we will tell them? Man, this just makes me angry and smash something, maybe the crappy 716a. That would just make me RMA the drive and stay stuck in Quality Testing for Plextor. One last thing...If you want to dominate the market again Plextor than start doing what people want NOT what you THINK PEOPLE NEED.

Plextor bashing is always fun, but here is how you can send an unambiguous message that Plextor will be guaranteed to understand. Return the drive for a refund or exchange, and let them know about it.

http://www.plextor.com/english/about/contact.html

Mine went back to Best Buy last month. For being a mediocre, unremarkably performing, overpriced device.

I just linked this thread over at Hydrogenaudio.org ... there are many Plextor fans and Linux users over there ...

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/...howtopic=34336

This is the problem I see, why develop free software, for high cost hardware made by a commercial company when they don't want you to?

From what I have seen you will be better of developing tools for Lite-on branded drives.

LOL He is not developing free software for them.. but for himself and other Linux users who were previously forced to use Windows if they wanted all the features the drive offers.

Read the post more carefully

Think of the major cash Plextor must save because this forum exists. Quite a few support calls avoided because answers were gotten here instead of tying up their phone 'droids on long calls about mobo compatibility, conflicting software, wonky NForce/VIA/IAA drivers, or DMA issues.

Like I said, think about that...

edit: I emailed marcom@plextor.com (PR flack address) reminding them that every single person who gives great, free advice here is reeeeally ticked off.

Actually TLA0000, here.

TLA0101 my 716a is this model and it seems to have as good or better scan with 1.07 fw as the latest TLA0406 or 0304 or 0202, not all 0101 were bad sure they didnt sell them in EU or UK but the 0101 in usa didnt do so bad, I know a number of people with them.