Pxlinux : it's over !

*ftp1020* · 08-07-2005

@kamikaze,

Put a "pause" command on the last line of the batch file you're using to start pxscan. I had the same problem as you, and the command prompt window was closing before I could see if there was an error message or not. There was an error (mispelled argument), but I couldn't see it until I paused the batch file output before the window closed.

I'm not sure if pxscan works at all with the SA versions; try the c1/c2 scanning on your Premium to at least rule that out...

*alexnoe* · 08-07-2005

People always claim they would have read and followed the readme... and in the end, it turns out that they double clicked on the exe, used some ASPI layer not supporting SATA/USB/Firewire etc... also, telling me the command line used to launch it would be helpful, in the case the first 2 points don't apply

ftp1020: It does, when the ASPI layer detects SATA drives (Nero ASPI should, Adaptec ASPI maybe doens't)

*Namoh* · 12-07-2005

*KICK*

Any news?

Premium716A · 17-07-2005

Don't let it die ; as Alex says we don't know if it's over yet (that is for Plextors persecution ...) ,
so keep it high - 4 days since last comment and on page 2 (for me and other standard-users)
won't keep Plextor boilin' !

*socrates007* · 22-07-2005

Well, I found out about all of this today (have been away from CD Freaks for awhile). I have owned Plextor CD burners since 1996 and have sworn by them over the years. I deeply love my three Plextor Premiums as they really kick butt as far as CD burners are concerned.

I made the mistake of buying a Plextor PX-716UF around six weeks ago. If I would have known about all of this, I NEVER would have purchased that PX-716UF drive. Plextor has really ticked me off with how they have handled this situation so far.

I will NEVER buy another Plextor product again because of what is happening to Alexnoe and zeb_. Plextor can kiss my b*** (or should I say wallet) good-bye!

*bob11879* · 23-07-2005

Still don't know what all the fuss is about. The Linux sw was derived from commands issued in a windows environment using PTP and a bus analyser. Had to be since the original Plextor sw application probably has proprietary commands not in the MMC spec and unique to Plextor drives and Zeb mentioned Bushound was used. The license that had to be answered 'yes' not to copy or reverse engineer was okayed before the program was run. Since the command set was generated by analysing the Plextor program, Alexnoe and Zeb copied the copyrighted software. Yes it works great in Linux, yes it is value add, yes it has been through many changes to improve it, but it orignated by copying licensed software...what part of that is so hard to follow?

**Liggy** · 23-07-2005

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Originally Posted by bob11879

Since the command set was generated by analysing the Plextor program, Alexnoe and Zeb copied the copyrighted software. Yes it works great in Linux, yes it is value add, yes it has been through many changes to improve it, but it orignated by copying licensed software...what part of that is so hard to follow?

The commandset was retrieved by analysing the data that was transferred between software and drive. This is correct so far, but in German law (which is applicable to Alexnoe) doing this is no copyright infringement since interfaces cannot be protected, only the program code itself.

*hwp* · 23-07-2005

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Originally Posted by Liggy

... but in German law (which is applicable to Alexnoe) doing this is no copyright infringement since interfaces cannot be protected, only the program code itself.

And Germany is not the only country that allows this. Swiss law goes even further and allows for program code to be 'decoded' to gain information for interoperation purposes with independent programs.

I smell a business plan here. Anyone want to set up shop in Switzerland and offer worldwide services for reversed engineering?

*alexnoe* · 23-07-2005

bob11879: The EULA is per definition not legally effective in germany (how often do I have to repeat this?), I can click yes as often as I want (and, if a had a cat, the cat could click it as well...), and besides that, even if the EULA might be valid in your country, single passages could still be overridden by local law.

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but it orignated by copying licensed software...what part of that is so hard to follow?

Mainly your posting

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Alexnoe and Zeb copied the copyrighted software.

This may be hard to understand for people who have never written a single line of code, but copying software is something else. When Vidomi reused parts of the source code of VirtualDub and tried to make money with it, *this* was copying copyrighted software

streaky · 18-09-2005

This subject seems to have gone quiet, but I can find no news on any resolution anywhere on the web...

Does anyone know what the outcome was?

*agomes* · 19-09-2005

No more news on it I'm affraid....this lack of news is just comparable to Plextor's lack of new announcements of more advanced drives....the last ones seem to be just cut down versions of the previous ones (take the 740).

But if Plextor doesn't want someone to write it, please show up their own packages to be used under Linux....by the way, I guess they know this is an Operationg System and a lot of people use its sveral flavours....
Come on, Plextor pleople, your drives work as well under Linux than they do under Uncle's Bill O/Ss....ok they could do better, but thats up to you.

alexm83 · 21-01-2007

What happended at the end some news after this long time?

*hwp* · 21-01-2007

AFAIK Plextor never followed up with legal action after the initial EMail.

However they did 'lock' certain functions of their future drives in the firmware so these could exclusively be used with their own Plextools software. Subsequently this has led to hacked firmware that 'freed' those functions again.

08-07-2005	#301
ftp1020 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 949	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! @kamikaze, Put a "pause" command on the last line of the batch file you're using to start pxscan. I had the same problem as you, and the command prompt window was closing before I could see if there was an error message or not. There was an error (mispelled argument), but I couldn't see it until I paused the batch file output before the window closed. I'm not sure if pxscan works at all with the SA versions; try the c1/c2 scanning on your Premium to at least rule that out...

08-07-2005	#302
alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,695	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! People always claim they would have read and followed the readme... and in the end, it turns out that they double clicked on the exe, used some ASPI layer not supporting SATA/USB/Firewire etc... also, telling me the command line used to launch it would be helpful, in the case the first 2 points don't apply ftp1020: It does, when the ASPI layer detects SATA drives (Nero ASPI should, Adaptec ASPI maybe doens't) __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

12-07-2005	#303
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17-07-2005	#304
Premium716A Banned Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark , the real royal nation Posts: 78	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! Don't let it die ; as Alex says we don't know if it's over yet (that is for Plextors persecution ...) , so keep it high - 4 days since last comment and on page 2 (for me and other standard-users) won't keep Plextor boilin' !

22-07-2005	#305
socrates007 MyCE Resident Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: An unknown dimension Posts: 618	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! Well, I found out about all of this today (have been away from CD Freaks for awhile). I have owned Plextor CD burners since 1996 and have sworn by them over the years. I deeply love my three Plextor Premiums as they really kick butt as far as CD burners are concerned. I made the mistake of buying a Plextor PX-716UF around six weeks ago. If I would have known about all of this, I NEVER would have purchased that PX-716UF drive. Plextor has really ticked me off with how they have handled this situation so far. I will NEVER buy another Plextor product again because of what is happening to Alexnoe and zeb_. Plextor can kiss my b* (or should I say wallet) good-bye! __________________ The Unexamined Drive Is Not Worth Having...**

23-07-2005	#306
bob11879 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 660	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! Still don't know what all the fuss is about. The Linux sw was derived from commands issued in a windows environment using PTP and a bus analyser. Had to be since the original Plextor sw application probably has proprietary commands not in the MMC spec and unique to Plextor drives and Zeb mentioned Bushound was used. The license that had to be answered 'yes' not to copy or reverse engineer was okayed before the program was run. Since the command set was generated by analysing the Plextor program, Alexnoe and Zeb copied the copyrighted software. Yes it works great in Linux, yes it is value add, yes it has been through many changes to improve it, but it orignated by copying licensed software...what part of that is so hard to follow?

18-09-2005	#310
streaky CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 41	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! This subject seems to have gone quiet, but I can find no news on any resolution anywhere on the web... Does anyone know what the outcome was?

19-09-2005	#311
agomes CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,232	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! No more news on it I'm affraid....this lack of news is just comparable to Plextor's lack of new announcements of more advanced drives....the last ones seem to be just cut down versions of the previous ones (take the 740). But if Plextor doesn't want someone to write it, please show up their own packages to be used under Linux....by the way, I guess they know this is an Operationg System and a lot of people use its sveral flavours.... Come on, Plextor pleople, your drives work as well under Linux than they do under Uncle's Bill O/Ss....ok they could do better, but thats up to you.

21-01-2007	#312
alexm83 New on Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! What happended at the end some news after this long time?

21-01-2007	#313
hwp Retired Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,360	Re: Pxlinux : it's over ! AFAIK Plextor never followed up with legal action after the initial EMail. However they did 'lock' certain functions of their future drives in the firmware so these could exclusively be used with their own Plextools software. Subsequently this has led to hacked firmware that 'freed' those functions again.