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Posted: 23-02-2005
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Originally Posted by luxendel
No.

Just my word.
Honestly, why should I lie??

I have two WD Raptors 74GB flying on RAID 0 and I guess maybe thats the point...

Read my post again, I was just asking if you have any pics showing 5:33. I take your word.

All burn time here take lead in/out into account, which is another 20-40 seconds. I never use Nero's ITB. Will check it out thou.
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Posted: 23-02-2005
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Originally Posted by Mordorr
Ok...this is a Memorex + R 8x, recorded at 8x, ( Printable ) code
DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000
Plextor 716 0203 Firm 1.04
Nero 6.6.0.6.

Before the burn, i made a FE/TE test, and it was judged as GOOD.
Than i did use Nero.
Now 1º result, with Plextools 2.19A...Good acuracy

Than, with the new Plextools
2.20 same parameters.....weird.....

Any comments?
Mordorr: what weird? The second scan done with 2.20 right? Both scans look fine, they are excellent. Although the second pic has less PIE max.
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Posted: 23-02-2005
Zévia....

Well the 2.20 sacan with Plextools, seems now much better..... ehehehe

For example: Another Ricoh DL of the Movie Gladiator...

PIE 18
POE 3
CLONE DVD 2.7.5.1
Good Acuracy
Ta Test: 0 Very Good - Good 1 - Very Good - Good

( Well maybe i becaming freack PIE/POE....scans.... )


P.S. recorded at 4x.
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Posted: 23-02-2005
At "good" accuracy, even with 2.19 vs 2.19, the scans might not match. Two scans of the same disc have a better chance of matching if they are both done at the highest accuracy setting. Also, usually high accuracy scans show lower PIE and PIF totals "good" accuracy scans.

Of course, PIEs happen due to many factors, so it's next to impossible that any two scans will match exactly. For example, I've noticed that narrow spikes in the graph can disappear/reappear from one scan to the next, especially when the accuracy is "good" or lower.
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Posted: 24-02-2005
Thanks Beeder!

I agree 100%.
My big concern at this moment is the Q-Check TA Test, that goes from BAD to VERY BAD, even with PIE under 20!
I need more tests, but at this moment, with 2 TDK +R 4x, i get those results!

TKS
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Posted: 24-02-2005
PX-712A, TLA #0101, FW 1.06, MXL RG03 @ 8x

Do you guys think that I have a bad drive?
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Posted: 24-02-2005
Impossible to say for sure with just one (bad) result to judge on. Try some other media brands. If they all turn out bad, then you might have a bad drive.
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Posted: 24-02-2005
Is it using recommended media?
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I think much of the the Maxell 8x media floating around the US is of subpar quality, despite carrying the coveted "made in Japan" banner. I had MXLRG03 from more than one package that absolutely refused to burn at 8x on my PX-712A; either the speed would drop to 6x or I would get a burn error. I have two spindles of MAXELL002, also recommended media for burning at 12x, but most of them the drive has had to limit speed to 8x or even 6x. No such problems with TY media with the exception of one spindle of TDK-branded T02 which had visible flaws in the dye after burning.
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Posted: 24-02-2005
MXL RG03 is turning out *much* better here on PX712 as well as on PX716. It even turns out much better on the NEC 3500 @ 16x! I'm using juwel cases "Maxell 1x-8x DVD-R"
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Posted: 24-02-2005
Alex, you're in Germany, so maybe they're sending better quality discs to the EU market? Can you find one of your MXLRG03 and make out the serial number etched in the plastic hub area of the disc? As I've reported, Maxell seems to have two different production lines for its media.
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Posted: 24-02-2005
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Originally Posted by Mordorr
My big concern at this moment is the Q-Check TA Test, that goes from BAD to VERY BAD, even with PIE under 20!
I need more tests, but at this moment, with 2 TDK +R 4x, i get those results!

TKS
I don't own any 4X discs. For these, maybe the drive's firmware needs some tweaking to improve the write quality. It seems that the PX-716A hasn't been tweaked for older, slower media. The laser power might need some adjustment. You could try VariRec (ideal for slower media) to test out this theory, if you feel like spending some time and media.

For most brands, I get good to very good TA at speeds 8X-12X (16X if disc quality is acceptible in TE/FE test--true for about 1/3 of the MCC004 blank discs I've bought).

TA is always excellent to very good at lower speeds (6X and below). This is true for MCC, TY, and CMC 8X media. My RICOHJPN results (I only have 8X +R type), are a little bit worse--but never "Bad" since fw1.02 and up (my drive is TLA0101)
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Posted: 24-02-2005
Two Degrees:

N376110240020211 (8x -R)
P3BG074A (8x +R, why is that one so short?)
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The discs with the short serials seem to be from Maxell's original production line and of better quality in my experience.
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Posted: 24-02-2005
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Originally Posted by VeryBadBoy
Is it using recommended media?
Yes Maxell 8x -R-- MXL RG03 is one of Plextor's recommended media(http://www.plextor.com/english/support/media_716.htm)
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Two Degrees and alexnoe, my 716a and 712a can produce similar quality on MXLRG03.
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I've pretty much given up on retail Maxell 8x media spindles (once I go thru these 100 MAXELL002s that is). I think I'll stick to TYG02 and YUDEN000T02. Aside from the one TDK spindle that wouldn't burn higher than 8x (still produced readable burns, albeit with some disc flaws) they are the least problematic MIDs with my PX-712A.
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Posted: 25-02-2005
See the Pioneer forums for my :: Good & Bad Media for 109/A09 :: for PI/PO scans of the same disc burned on both the Pioneer and Plextor 716A.

So far, the Pioneer beats the 716A and the Liteon 1633S for burns onto 16x Verbatim and 2.4x DL @ 6x media and is the best drive I've ever seen or read about anywhere on DL burns! The 16x burns have such low PI errors (<6500), I'm actually shocked how good it does! Excellent burner, followed second by the Plextor. Maybe they'll release a new F/W soon that'll make the Plextor burn even better?
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..... I think I'll stick to TYG02 and YUDEN000T02. Aside from the one TDK spindle that wouldn't burn higher than 8x (still produced readable burns, albeit with some disc flaws) they are the least problematic MIDs with my PX-712A.
The 716A definitely likes TYG02. TY02 & TYG02 is the bulk of my media and is what I use for my movies, etc.. Plus TY only makes the hub-printable discs with TYG02.(not available in +R)

The below 3 scans are all 8x burns on OEM TYG02 from RIMA. Burned with Plextor 716A (TLA 0203) Firmware=1.04
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What speed did you burn them at?
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Posted: 26-02-2005
Well you can't say the 716A isn't consistent.

Another 8x burn on TYG02 burned at 8x. 716A (TLA 0203) Firmware=1.04

@Hostile_Monk, the scans in my last post were burned at 8x. I put that in the post also.
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DVD+-RW: Plextor 716A - SCANS
DVD+-RW: NEC ND-3500A
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Posted: 26-02-2005
I'd be interested to see how those scans look run with PlexTools
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Posted: 26-02-2005
Ok... I know where 2 of them are. I just burned a couple of them yesterday, and one today. They're in slim cases, so they should still be in good shape. I'll do sum8 & sum1 on them and will post the results. Is "Good Accuracy" ok?
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DVD+-RW: Plextor 716A - SCANS
DVD+-RW: NEC ND-3500A
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Posted: 26-02-2005
Beeder wroght:
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I don't own any 4X discs. For these, maybe the drive's firmware needs some tweaking to improve the write quality. It seems that the PX-716A hasn't been tweaked for older, slower media. The laser power might need some adjustment. You could try VariRec (ideal for slower media) to test out this theory, if you feel like spending some time and media.
TKS. I`m a litle afraid of using that function. Anyway, i call Portuguese Plextor, and im gonna send back again this unity
Those Bad Vibes are killing me!

Just for "acident", i did found 3 Maxell -R DVD V. 2.0
CodeVD-R:RITEKG04
I don`t like very much of -R Media, but since they are hard to find around here.....

CloneCd 5.0.4.5.
Good Acuracy
Wright at 4x
TA Test - GOOD - VERY GOOD - VERY GOOD
Suprise, suprise....
PIE 17




This Media did get me a very good impression...hummmm
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Posted: 26-02-2005
Firmware 1.04u
Booktype: DVD-ROM
Burning speed: 16x
Burn-Tool: newest Image Burn Tool (NERO 6.6.0.8.)
DVD: Fuji DVD+R 8x
Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden for Fuji
Mediacode: YUDEN002
DVD-Reader: Plextor PX 712 1.06 with Plextools 2.19a
GOOD ACCURACY

This now really freaks me out.

BURNING TIME: 5 minute 26 sec., all incl.

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