Old 09-12-2004   #51
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

What happened with the Autostrategy was, normally TYG02 is in the AS database but he removed it to see how AS would do. It took 12:54 to burn the disc at 8x as a result, with Autostrategy taking 4:24 to do its thing. Also of note is that YSS was having serious problems trying to use the drive with the SATA interface. Plextools was freezing system startup, and even when he removed Plextools from the startup folder and ran it after Windows had loaded, it froze the system. Nero 6.6.0.1 also would freeze his system if he tried loading it, and B's Recorder Gold froze the system when he enabled its Autostrategy option. Everything ran normally when he used the ATAPI interface.
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

Heh, YSS has a new name for the way the PX-716A reaches 16x with that little jump at the end, he calls it Z-CAV
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Thanks for the explanation - translators sucks and I don't understand what's originally written.

The S-ATA problem could be caused by the S-ATA controller he used. Intel S-ATA usually works ok with S-ATA optical drives, but Silicon Image, Promise and highpoint is more questionable.
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

Well, he just built a new PC (the one he tried the 716A SATA interface on) with the Asus P5GD2 Pro, which uses the Intel 915P chipest and ICH6R southbridge, so I'm pretty sure the SATA connections are from the Intel controller.
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Reading all this tests I just suggest to remember some simple facts ...

Of course you get a crappy disk with Autostregy ON !

Autostrategy is only designed to make a Database of medias which are not listed in the firmware whatever the version 1.01 or 1.02.
If you did not build this Database how to you want the writer to know the best write startegy to use ...

If you burn a quality media listed in the firmware then the startegy that the programmer has listed in the media is the best available if you do not turn PowerRec OFF
PowerRec has been designed to control the writing speed in P-CAV mode (CAV= constant angular velocity) with the aim of producing the best burn not the fastest !
If you turn PowerRec OFF you produce these "'blue tidle waves" of PIE errors that the people have got above at the end of their Plextools graphs !

You have to burn always with PowerRec ON if you want to judge the PX-716 writer and the firmware revision

and turn Autostrategy ON only with no-name brands
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if you are able to store in the Autostrategy Database a better write strategy than the one already listed in the firmware. (If you put these some of these 'crappy" no-name brands in others burners they might no even recognized them !)
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

Pray

Could somebody burn a TO2 DVD+R or any other good brand with VARIREC on (in Plextools) and the offset put to +4
( Varirec on reduces automaticly the burning speeed )

I would love to see the graph and especially the value of the jitter in Nero's CD Speed disc quality check
For video files the Book type setting to DVD-ROM and the minimum value for jitter are the 2 very important things to me ...

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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

franz99,

I mostly agree with you except for this one:
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You have to burn always with PowerRec ON if you want to judge the PX-716 writer and the firmware revision
The reason turning off PR is to reach 16x. With PR on, it would never reach 16x (this IS a 16x burner right?). If this FW can burn a true 16x with PR on, then your statement is true. Lets hope that future FWs can accomodate that.

Don't forget that in my 712a scans I always check PR on. It's not that I don't recommend PR on but I only want to see how this drive perform at a true 16x, and that could only happens with PR off, for now.
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

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Pray

Could somebody burn a TO2 DVD+R or any other good brand with VARIREC on (in Plextools) and the offset put to +4
( Varirec on reduces automaticly the burning speeed )

I would love to see the graph and especially the value of the jitter in Nero
For video files the Book type setting value of the jitter are the 2 very important things to me ...
For the PX-716, simply slowing the drive to 8X is enough--there's no need to use VariRec. The drive burns exceptionally clean discs at that speed--its main issues have been at the 16X speed near the outer edge of the disc.
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franz99,

I mostly agree with you except for this one:
The reason turning off PR is to reach 16x. With PR on, it would never reach 16x (this IS a 16x burner right?). If this FW can burn a true 16x with PR on, then your statement is true. Lets hope that future FWs can accomodate that.

Don't forget that in my 712a scans I always check PR on. It's not that I don't recommend PR on but I only want to see how this drive perform at a true 16x, and that could only happens with PR off, for now.
So true. And you might point out that the PX-716 with PowerRec ON burns FASTER at 12X than 16X because of all the malarky (slow down, start up) near the end of the disc! If the internal drive database is so great, this should never happen, since there is neither a speed OR quality benefit. Also, I've noticed that a number of the units on this forum show trouble in the areas where the disc speed suddenly shifts due to PowerRec, even higher than if Power Rec were off (at least right in the vicinity of the speed change). Is this a braking problem? Don't know.
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I understand you zevia when when yo say that expected more from a 16X writer !

I only burn 4x certified TY medias with mostly VARIREC on (to optimize jitter)

I buy these Yuden T01 for 0,60 € to 0,80 € a piece not far from home (because shops seem to want to get rid of these "slow" medias)
While the burner runs I watch the scenery through the window or the flammes in the fireplace and at the at the end the computer plays a tune I like ...

Have a nice day ...
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

I would not expect too much from Autostrategy since this feature was developed by Taiyo Yuden. Now the problem as YSS shows is that TYs written without AS give better burns....
Hmmm.... there is something real wrong here.....
Scans with different Media written with PX716 and scanned with other drives can be found at Media-Scan Maniacs http://park20.wakwak.com/~tanuki/716A/index.html
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

franz99,

I can't do the Jitter Test with Nero CD Speed but here it is in Plex Tools. Fuji 8X (YUDEN000 T002) and TLA #0202.
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Thanks a lot rjih !

this is a great result even better than with my PX-712A on 4x certified DVD+R

Could you please also publish the PI/PO graph: I suppose without this blue "tidle wave" at the end
and tell us please how many seconds more it takes you for this "VARIREC" burn compared to the "high speed burns" we have seen above

(with the PX-712A the wrtiting speed is also limited at 4X when Varirec is on)
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Same as before. Fuji 8X (UDEN000 T02) media. TLA #0202
Total burn time 14:39. Typically my burns take 6:35. This burn took 52 seconds longer than normal.
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I'm not aware of any 16x burner that starts at a higher speed than 6x. Plextor just needs to up the rate at which the burn speed increases so it won't need that jump at the end.
What about 7.3x?
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Heh, YSS has a new name for the way the PX-716A reaches 16x with that little jump at the end, he calls it Z-CAV
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SATA変換していますが、16倍速は余裕で出ています。
それはそうと、微妙にCAVじゃないグラフになりました。CAVというよりは、Z-CAV?(新語)
Zone CAV sounds good for Plextor PX-716A at 16x.

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The rate at which the burning speed increases throughout the burning process is the same for all burners. Just because all DVDs have the same geometry *g*!

They need to start of at 6.5 or something like that. As it is now 716 @ 16x is exactly as fast as 712 @ 12x. So completely useless concerning speed increase.
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The rate at which the burning speed increases throughout the burning process is the same for all burners. Just because all DVDs have the same geometry *g*!

They need to start of at 6.5 or something like that. As it is now 716 @ 16x is exactly as fast as 712 @ 12x. So completely useless concerning speed increase.
A typical LG at 16x P-CAV.

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Both Pioneer and LG 16x DVD writers have at least one 16x zone.
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What about 7.3x?
Maybe Two Degrees made a typo where he meant lower instead of higher.
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Re: Plextor PX-716a firmware 1.02

thoughts on verbatim 16x +R media MID=mcc004

It would seem pioneer has decided to set this media at 12x in the latest fw , may be we plextor users should take clue from this and not try burn it at 16x on 716. pioneer is not stupid, they must have good reason to set mcc004 at 12x, could it be the hill effect seem on almost all 16x drive that try to burn it at 16x.
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thoughts on verbatim 16x +R media MID=mcc004

It would seem pioneer has decided to set this media at 12x in the latest fw , may be we plextor users should take clue from this and not try burn it at 16x on 716. pioneer is not stupid, they must have good reason to set mcc004 at 12x, could it be the hill effect seem on almost all 16x drive that try to burn it at 16x.
Then LG is stupid to burn it at 16x? 16x result has only about total 120 PIF's. DVDinfopro showed less than 100 PIF's.

If you can't burn MCC004 at 16x, just what media should one use for 16x burning? Surely not YUDEN000T02 and RICOHJPNR02. Then Plextor should rename the drive to PX-712A2 from PX-716A. Or maybe PX-714A.
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@KenW: don't forget BenQ 1620. Here's one of 16x with MCC004. Quality Score: 93%. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=113

@Kenshin: how does the quality test looks like for that LG? 5:19 mins... cool.
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zevia

Im just saying that lots of people think pioneer is tops for burners , and they set mcc004 to 12x , and we know plextor is 716 is iffy with mcc004 at 16x , still you are right nec benQ 1620 does nice job with it at 16x.
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Kenw... then I guess pioneer and plextor is not as good 16x as the last two you mentioned... oh I forgot, you own all of them LOL...
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@KenW: don't forget BenQ 1620. Here's one of 16x with MCC004. Quality Score: 93%. http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=113

@Kenshin: how does the quality test looks like for that LG? 5:19 mins... cool.
Not as good as some 8x and 16x media at 8x. Like total 5 or 6 PIF's. But far better than any BenQ or NEC at 16x I've seen so far. I can't post the Mitsubishi DVD-R 16x result (actually first tested in Oct.) yet, because of something like NDA's but there were other people with MCC004 at 16x, with PIF's of 110 to 120 or so. Sen @hardwarezone.com posted some initial test results. What I posted before are mostly out of service due to server problems about which I had to spend US$350 yesterday as a temporary solution (and I still need to buy more RAM + HDD to that) but the new (3rd) server will become online next week. (Meanwhile, I'm getting PM's saying again and again that the files are not downloadable.)

@KenW

Even in Japan, LG and NEC are regarded as best where quality is more strictly considered. Pioneer is good but it takes a full one minute more for Pioneer at 16x than LG and is slower than all others. Pioneer is not standard I mean.

Also, Pioneer DVR-A08/108 does pretty good at 16x. I don't think it's the Mitsubishi media problem that only 12x is supported in the official firmware.

Well, since both Jan S. and I will soon start post more details and many others will also join, no need to hurry.
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