Max data size on DVD+R

leesiulung · 26-04-2005

What is the max amount of data burnable on a disc? Sounds stupid but, the calculations are a bit misleading... 4.3GB or 4.7GB. Plextor Professional will let me burn into the red zone... but gives me no warning of the consequences that might happen.

What happens when I burn 4.34GB? Does it overburn like CD-R discs? Is there a chance for data corruption?

I tried searching, but did not find a pertinent answer.

thanks,

*drpino* · 26-04-2005

http://www.videohelp.com/dvd

Plex allows you to overburn DVD+Rs (not -Rs)...i've managed up to 4600mb on one.

cathgem · 26-04-2005

I've also done a 4600 MB burn, because that is most Nero will allow; I've read that nero cd-speed can tell you the max size on your dvd+r at the cost of burning one disc, although I think it is about 4670 MB if I remember right. I've also come across mention of a nero registry hack that can override the 4600 limit, but I would not risk the damage to my drive for another 70 megs.

zevia · 27-04-2005

From the link drpino gave us:

Quote:

DVD-5, holds around 4 700 000 000 bytes and that is 4.37 computer GB where 1 kbyte is 1024 bytes.

The key is 1 kb = 1024 bytes, so
4,700,000,000 b(ytes) = 4,589,843 KB = 4,482 MB = 4.38 GB

gOdisOnyOuRsIDe · 27-04-2005

Yes I've been able to burn 4600MB on my DVD+R because 4600MB or 4.49GB is the highest Nero will allow. 4.7 basically means 4.36

leesiulung · 27-04-2005

Hey guys/gals,

thanks for the fast reply!!!

Has anyone experienced problems reading from these overburned discs over time?

cathgem, why would overburning damage your drive?

*ftp1020* · 27-04-2005

DVD-R capacity is 4,706,074,624 bytes
DVD+R capacity is 4,700,372,992 bytes

without overburning.

cathgem · 27-04-2005

Overburning to 4600 MB shouldn't be that bad to your drive, I've done it on several occassions and my discs are still fine (but I've only had the drive for 4 or so months). I was commenting about overburning your dvd past the 4600 MB nero limit, since the original default limit is 4482 MB.

zyzzle · 27-04-2005

I've been able to burn 4685 mb with some RICOHJPN DVD+R media...

Yes, there is some slight risk of the data being unreliable beyond 4482 MB, because that extra "overburned" space has not been certified, but if you use good quality media (TY = FUJIfilm or RICOHJPN01) results should be excellent. I've overburned more than 150 (high quality) DVD+R media on the 716 without errors or playability issues on my standalones. Note that I wouldn't overburn on crap media, or even trust crap media burns beyond 4000 MB, for that matter. Also, it helps to reduce burn speed, to perhaps 8x or 12x when overburning, perhaps it gives the data on the outer-rim of the disc "extra" reliability!

*drpino* · 27-04-2005

another great feature that only the Plextor drives have

the ability to consistently overburn +R media.

*adict2jane* · 05-05-2005

Little problem,
Trying to overburn a +R disk to about 4500mb. I not sure what's wrong. I set the overburning size to be 4600 or more (with the registry change) in the preferences. The strange thing is that I have overburned a bunch of disks already, but only by a few mb's. Not sure why Nero will not allow me to do another 15 or so mb's. I have noticed that the compilation size bar thing at the bottom of my compilation is in the red no matter how high the overburn setting is in the preferences. I am using Nero 6.6.0.8a. Thanks in advance.

zevia · 05-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by adict2jane

I set the overburning size to be 4600 or more (with the registry change) in the preferences.

The highest I can sucessfully overburn using DVD Shrink is 4599 because DVD Shrink needs a slack of 3-5MB. I think it's best to set not more than 4600.

*adict2jane* · 05-05-2005

Yes, I agree, it's best not to overburn past 4600mb. I am only trying to overburn to 4503mb. Can't figure out why nero won't let me do it cuz it lets me overburn to 4490 or so on the same +R disks.

zevia · 05-05-2005

Did you check the Expert Features under Nero Preferences? I think the default size is 4500mb, try to increase to 4600mb

*adict2jane* · 05-05-2005

yes, I have the expert overburning dvd size @ 4600mb

zevia · 05-05-2005

I would suggest to save in Nero in ISO format and burn with DVD Decrypter and see what happens.

Just to confirm again, so you have both Plextools preference and Nero preference to allow overburn?

*adict2jane* · 05-05-2005

ok, will try when I get home today. I believe I have it turned on in plextools but I'll double check. That might be the problem.

*drpino* · 05-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by zevia

I would suggest to save in Nero in ISO format and burn with DVD Decrypter and see what happens.

that's how i get by any overburning limitations in the nero engine.

*JeanLuc* · 05-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by zevia

From the link drpino gave us:

The key is 1 kb = 1024 bytes, so
4,700,000,000 b(ytes) = 4,589,843 KB = 4,482 MB = 4.38 GB

Don't want to be anal, but ...

Due to continuing complaints from scientists/engineers about the abuse of the SI system by the IT branch, the latest agreement states that KB (notice the capital 'K') stands for a multiplier of 1024 whereas the non-capital 'k' still stands for 10^3. 1 Megabyte (abbr. MB) is now indeed 10^6 bytes whereas the new abbr. MiB stands for 1024^2 bytes ... the same applies for GB (10^9) and GiB (1024^3) ... TB and TiB soon to come with new HDD generations.

confusing ... isn't it ?

26-04-2005	#1
leesiulung CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 55	Max data size on DVD+R What is the max amount of data burnable on a disc? Sounds stupid but, the calculations are a bit misleading... 4.3GB or 4.7GB. Plextor Professional will let me burn into the red zone... but gives me no warning of the consequences that might happen. What happens when I burn 4.34GB? Does it overburn like CD-R discs? Is there a chance for data corruption? I tried searching, but did not find a pertinent answer. thanks,

26-04-2005	#2
drpino CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,916	Re: Max data size on DVD+R http://www.videohelp.com/dvd Plex allows you to overburn DVD+Rs (not -Rs)...i've managed up to 4600mb on one. __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B

26-04-2005	#3
cathgem New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 26	Re: Max data size on DVD+R I've also done a 4600 MB burn, because that is most Nero will allow; I've read that nero cd-speed can tell you the max size on your dvd+r at the cost of burning one disc, although I think it is about 4670 MB if I remember right. I've also come across mention of a nero registry hack that can override the 4600 limit, but I would not risk the damage to my drive for another 70 megs.

27-04-2005	#5
gOdisOnyOuRsIDe MyCE Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: USA Posts: 317	Re: Max data size on DVD+R Yes I've been able to burn 4600MB on my DVD+R because 4600MB or 4.49GB is the highest Nero will allow. 4.7 basically means 4.36 __________________ The further away I get from the things that I care about... the less I care about how much further away I get... Sys Specs: Lian-Li PC-P80N Logitech G400 ASUS P8Z68 Deluxe Seasonic X750 GOLD i7 2600K (4.6GHz) Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1600MHz MSI R6970 Lightning Samsung P2570 Samsung 226BW ASUS Xonar Essence ST Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 Sennheiser HD595 Audio Technica ATH-WS70 Solid Bass 120GB OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 1x Hitachi Deskstar 2TB 2x WD Caviar Black 1TB Samsung SH-222AL LiteOn iHAS124-04

27-04-2005	#6
leesiulung CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 55	Re: Max data size on DVD+R Hey guys/gals, thanks for the fast reply!!! Has anyone experienced problems reading from these overburned discs over time? cathgem, why would overburning damage your drive?

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27-04-2005	#7
ftp1020 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 949	Re: Max data size on DVD+R DVD-R capacity is 4,706,074,624 bytes DVD+R capacity is 4,700,372,992 bytes without overburning.

27-04-2005	#8
cathgem New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 26	Re: Max data size on DVD+R Overburning to 4600 MB shouldn't be that bad to your drive, I've done it on several occassions and my discs are still fine (but I've only had the drive for 4 or so months). I was commenting about overburning your dvd past the 4600 MB nero limit, since the original default limit is 4482 MB.

27-04-2005	#9
zyzzle New on Forum Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 29	Re: Max data size on DVD+R I've been able to burn 4685 mb with some RICOHJPN DVD+R media... Yes, there is some slight risk of the data being unreliable beyond 4482 MB, because that extra "overburned" space has not been certified, but if you use good quality media (TY = FUJIfilm or RICOHJPN01) results should be excellent. I've overburned more than 150 (high quality) DVD+R media on the 716 without errors or playability issues on my standalones. Note that I wouldn't overburn on crap media, or even trust crap media burns beyond 4000 MB, for that matter. Also, it helps to reduce burn speed, to perhaps 8x or 12x when overburning, perhaps it gives the data on the outer-rim of the disc "extra" reliability!

27-04-2005	#10
drpino CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: nYc Posts: 4,916	Re: Max data size on DVD+R another great feature that only the Plextor drives have the ability to consistently overburn +R media. __________________ AMD A64 Clawhammer 3200+ / TT Venus 7+ / ASUS K8V Dlx / Corsair TwinX 4000PRO (2x512) WD360GD 236GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD800JB 80GB PATA / IBM Deskstar 25.4GB PATA ASUS R9800XT / VX900 19"CRT / Boston Acoustics BA7500 4.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-Premium / Samsung SD-816B ROM / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Kingwin KT424SWM AMD A64 Winchester 3200+ / Thermalright XP-90 / ASUS A8V Dlx r2 / OCZ PlatR2 (2x512) WD740GD 274GB Raptor (RAID0) / WD2500SD/JD 2250GB SATA / Seagate 2160GB PATA / Maxtor OneTouchII 300GB Ext (Firewire) ATI X800XL / Viewsonic VP201s 20.1"LCD / Creative SBAudigy2ZS Plat / Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1 Plextor PX-716A / Plextor PX-708UF / BenQ 1640 / OCZ 520ADJ PowerStream / Lian-Li V1000B

05-05-2005	#11
adict2jane MyCE Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,042	Re: Max data size on DVD+R Little problem, Trying to overburn a +R disk to about 4500mb. I not sure what's wrong. I set the overburning size to be 4600 or more (with the registry change) in the preferences. The strange thing is that I have overburned a bunch of disks already, but only by a few mb's. Not sure why Nero will not allow me to do another 15 or so mb's. I have noticed that the compilation size bar thing at the bottom of my compilation is in the red no matter how high the overburn setting is in the preferences. I am using Nero 6.6.0.8a. Thanks in advance.

05-05-2005	#13
adict2jane MyCE Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,042	Re: Max data size on DVD+R Yes, I agree, it's best not to overburn past 4600mb. I am only trying to overburn to 4503mb. Can't figure out why nero won't let me do it cuz it lets me overburn to 4490 or so on the same +R disks.

05-05-2005	#15
adict2jane MyCE Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,042	Re: Max data size on DVD+R yes, I have the expert overburning dvd size @ 4600mb

05-05-2005	#16
zevia Retired Senior Administrator and Review Coordinator USA Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: USA Posts: 10,476	Re: Max data size on DVD+R I would suggest to save in Nero in ISO format and burn with DVD Decrypter and see what happens. Just to confirm again, so you have both Plextools preference and Nero preference to allow overburn? __________________ Click here to join CDFreaks.com Join CDFreaks Distributed Computing Team, have fun while helping to save some lives! My review PC & Specs & Media Blu-ray to DVD guide Forum Rules \| Blu-ray UDF Driver BenQ/Philips FAQ and tools: BQFlasher, MCSE, WOPC Tool, WinDWFlash LG BE06LU11 Blu-ray \| LG GGW-H10N Blu-ray/HD-DVD \| LG GBW-H10N Blu-ray \| Panasonic SW-5582 Blu-ray

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05-05-2005	#17
adict2jane MyCE Resident Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 1,042	Re: Max data size on DVD+R ok, will try when I get home today. I believe I have it turned on in plextools but I'll double check. That might be the problem.