Old 05-07-2005   #1
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how to lower burn speed in nero?

hi,

i appologise in advance for what may prove to be a bloody stupid question;

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i recently bought plextor the 716a and got some media to use with it.the memorex dvd-r 4x media i chose is apparently hated by this drive and none of them have ever passed data verification in nero.

all these were burnt at 4x because no other speed shows as available in nero at all - in plextools professional the drive claims to be able to burn dvd-r at 2x clv but in nero info tool the lowest setting is 4x.

is there any way of getting nero to let me burn these disks at a lower speed?

if theres any info i didnt realise was needed ill happily post it -i hate to waste these disks as i spent nearly all my money on the burner



the burner functions excellently with the other disks i bought (tdk 4x dvd+rw ) with scans showing pie below 20 all across the disk and no pof at all.but these arent really what i would like to use for every backup dvd i ever burn.

**this post was originally in the nero forum but recived no replies - if this is becasue the answers obvious or bloody stupid could someone please tell me **

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Re: how to lower burn speed in nero?

what is the MEDIA CODE of those memorex dvd-r? download DVDINFO PRO or DVD IDENTIFIER to find out the MEDIA CODE on those discs. if they're CMC which I suspect then the culprit is the media itself. CMC isn't the best dvd media to use. try using good quality dvd media like FUJI (TAIYO YUDEN), MAXELL & VERBATIM. check this site www.videohelp.com in the media section there you will see different brands of dvd media that use different manufacturers to make the blank discs. Brand name means nothing, it's the media code that is important in identifying the manufacturer.
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Re: how to lower burn speed in nero?

hey DVD ADDICT,

the media came out as,

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MBI 01RG20 ]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Moser Baer India Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [MBI 01RG20 ]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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and the drive capabilities came out as;


** INFO : Drive = PLEXTOR DVDR PX-716A [FW 1.08]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW
** INFO : Disc = [DVD-R:MBI 01RG20 ]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

Does his mean there is no way i can write it at lower speeds to try and get a good burn?

its mainly the lack of speed options i'm having trouble getting used to (this is my first dvd burner, only ever used nero for cd's before).

as a side point ive noticed people are using something other than plextools to scan their burns - are there advantages to using pxscan?

i lurked here for a little while before buying the plex but to be honest most of the discussions went over my head - im blaming them for the bald spot

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Just copied this media list off of the Plextor site, I am not sure about the MID but I believe and could be wrong that it is Verbatim just guessing! Your MID is MBI 01RG20 and I know MCC 02RG20 8x and MCC 03RG20 16x media is Verbatim. Firmware usually decides what write speed is given to the disc MID and in looking at this list I see 4x media with only the 4x option. Posting the Nero Option for a different media so you can have a look at yours and see if you have any other options. Sorry I couldn't be more help. Some one please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: how to lower burn speed in nero?

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as a side point ive noticed people are using something other than plextools to scan their burns - are there advantages to using pxscan?
PxScan combines multiple test results into one screen and it's freeware.

About your media, Moser Baer India is not considered quality media, it's best described, in my opinion, as B-grade media. I think you can only burn these discs at 4X but you can try to lower the write speed via PlexTools. It would be wiser though to follow DVD_ADDICT's advice and switch to better quality media.
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Re: how to lower burn speed in nero?

The PX-716 generally does not support lower speeds than 4x on 4x ±R media. This is exactly what
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** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
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Descriptor #1 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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Re: how to lower burn speed in nero?

hi again,

thank you all for your responses - i followed DVD ADDICT's link and see what you mean about the quality of the media.

G@M3FR3@K,

thank you for the info on pxscan ,will be taking a look shortly .it does seem these damn things only go at one speed - when i get other media how would i go about lowering the speed through plextools though? is there a manual i need to download for the hard of thinking? beause the one on the installation disk doesnt seem all that detailed.


alexnoe,

thanks for the clarification on the speed - when i saw this bit in plextools i just assumed you could always pick a lower speed if it had one.it was the fact i couldnt work out how that was driving me nuts.the fact the media said on the box 1x-4x only served to reinforce my delusion.

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Re: how to lower burn speed in nero?

@dr del. When you open Plextools under Help in the top L/H corner you will find the Plextools manual.
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Hi fellas

I've also been trying to record dvd-r media at 2x speed with no results, and i've been always using quality media, namely verbatim and ritek... here follow DVD Identifier's info outputs on the referred discs:

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG04]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG04]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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and the verbatim

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:MCC 02RG20 ]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC 02RG20 ]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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None of the usual recording programs I use, such as nero, alcohol, clonedvd and some more, report the possibility of writing at 2x speed. I wanted to use a lower writing speed to make a failproof backup of god of war, which is constantly hanging at a given place in the game.

Any ideas?
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Why don't you just read this thread?
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