Autostrategy is not executed

ping dummy · 21-03-2006

PX-755A, PlexTools 2.32a (and 2.30 from box), ASUS P4P800, WXPPro SP2

In log window after burning: 'autostrategy result: autostartegy is not executed'. Is this normal if I've checked AS ON or AS FORCED before burning?

PLZ respond.

*brokenbuga* · 21-03-2006

Autostrategy is only used with media that is unknown to the drive, in other words media that doesn't have a write strategy stored in the firmware.

Without knowing the firmware or the media code, the question can not be answered. You can use Plextools to identify both the firmware of the drive and the media code you are using.

*alexnoe* · 21-03-2006

AS Forced means that AS is supposed to be used even if the media is known to the drive, and that a new strategy is supposed to be created for each disc.

ping dummy · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexnoe

AS Forced means that AS is supposed to be used even if the media is known to the drive, and that a new strategy is supposed to be created for each disc.

Exactly. So, what does it mean 'not executed'? Drive is broken?

brokenbuga
Firmware revision 1.02, media code MCC03RG20

*alexnoe* · 21-03-2006

It could be a bug in Plextools.

Does the drive's LED indicate that AS is used?

*brokenbuga* · 21-03-2006

I would think those Verbatims would be in the firmware, so if set to AS on then AS wouldn't execute. Seems odd that AS forced doesn't work. Maybe as alexnoe suggests, it's a bug.

My drive doesn't support AS forced, I'm curious as to what advantage it offers. Would you use it say, after a bad burn to compensate for a bad batch of discs? Or is this just a 'wanting to try everything' type of thing?

*hwp* · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by brokenbuga

My drive doesn't support AS forced, I'm curious as to what advantage it offers. Would you use it say, after a bad burn to compensate for a bad batch of discs? Or is this just a 'wanting to try everything' type of thing?

AS usually works in AUTO mode but it can decide wrongly whether to create a strategy on its own or not. Thus it can help to force its application. Look here for an example: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=67 (also compare with the link given in the posting).

*brokenbuga* · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by hwp

AS usually works in AUTO mode but it can decide wrongly whether to create a strategy on its own or not. Thus it can help to force its application. Look here for an example: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...6&postcount=67 (also compare with the link given in the posting).

Thanks hwp, that makes more sense to me. The thought never occured to me that the drive could have problems with it's recognition circuit...

As a side note, in reading your review of the 755, I noticed that AS doesn't support DL media. Is that still the case? That could be the root of the OP problem.

*hwp* · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by brokenbuga

As a side note, in reading your review of the 755, I noticed that AS doesn't support DL media. Is that still the case? That could be the root of the OP problem.

Good point. AS does not support -DL and -RW, but the OP says he uses -R 16x Verbatims (media code MCC03RG20) ...

*brokenbuga* · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by hwp

Good point. AS does not support -DL and -RW, but the OP says he uses -R 16x Verbatims (media code MCC03RG20) ...

{lol}

Indeed he did... Errr... Maybe there's new -R 16X DL media..... Maybe? Possibly?

I'm going back to the other forums, and will leave this area to the experts...

ping dummy · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexnoe

It could be a bug in Plextools.

Does the drive's LED indicate that AS is used?

If you mean the LED is quickly switches between yellow, light yellow and green, well - YES.
Or, something else?

If this is a bug, well the version of PXT shipped is 2.30. AFAIK now it is a 2.32a. So, the bug is still there and no one didn't noticed that?

*alexnoe* · 21-03-2006

Quote:

If you mean the LED is quickly switches between yellow, light yellow and green, well - YES.
Or, something else?

If it is doing this for say half a minute, or maybe more, then it does use AS

*hwp* · 21-03-2006

Another thing to check if AS has been working: Has a entry been added in the AS-Database?

Also for some obscure reason an error in the database might cause touble. Try clearing the database.

ping dummy · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexnoe

If it is doing this for say half a minute, or maybe more, then it does use AS

It is. Okay, so this is a bug of the software? Could be fixed? Should I give them know? Or man of Plextor are here and watching?

ping dummy · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by hwp

Another thing to check if AS has been working: Has a entry been added in the AS-Database?

Also for some obscure reason an error in the database might cause touble. Try clearing the database.

Yes, the entry has been added. But I'm using AS Forced, anyway. Does it mean an entry in database will be re-wrighted each time, for the same media even?

Shadow200 · 21-03-2006

i created a strategy for ritek r03 - then there was a 6x strategy in the database.
then i switched AS "on", chose 8x and burned - afterwards it says "AS not executed" - obviously AS was not used and speed was 8x but quality was much better than default write strategy....

*hwp* · 21-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by ping dummy

Yes, the entry has been added. But I'm using AS Forced, anyway. Does it mean an entry in database will be re-wrighted each time, for the same media even?

I've not tried this yet but in my understanding of AS one should be able to create an entry, then uncheck it in the database-menu and then be able to create another one for the same MID at the same speed-setting.

*bob11879* · 21-03-2006

If not on the recommended list, AS will generate a strategy the first time out if in Auto and then use that strategy. If quality is still not good enough, you can force it to create the strategy for your media. If AS is other than default (Auto), did you create the strategy? Check the database if the strategy for your media is there. If not, in the same screen, select 'Create Writing Strategy' "quick" (checks OPC) or "full" (uses a disc) and 'Replace existing entry', then press the Create Strategy button. Should generate a strategy for that media.

Aleksander69 · 22-03-2006

I wonder why to create a strategy for certain media. AUTOSTRATEGY is only a commercial things for conviencing customers for buying their products. But there is no real reason to make strategy. Why? Because non of the media from the same manufacturer is of the same quality. Quality of a media vary inside the same manufacturer. And it can be of the highest quality or lowest. For example. Verbatim is well known as one of the best manufacturer of media. But you can still find certain media which doesn't work after you burn it. And non of the strategy would help in this situation.

*bob11879* · 22-03-2006

If the factory creates a strategy and embeds it in firmware, it is only applicable to the media they had when they developed the strategy. You are correct in saying that media quality can differ from disc to disc. With the 760/755, you can create a strategy for the media you have. If it so crappy that it changes with every disc, you should move to something better.

Aleksander69 · 23-03-2006

I'm not talking about crapy media. I mentioned Verbatim. I can also say MCC or TY. They suppose to be best media in the market at this time. Probably they are. But quality vary also at this manufacturers. So strategy can't be used for whole MCC disks (for example).

*rapid fire* · 23-03-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aleksander69

I wonder why to create a strategy for certain media. AUTOSTRATEGY is only a commercial things for conviencing customers for buying their products. But there is no real reason to make strategy. Why? Because non of the media from the same manufacturer is of the same quality. Quality of a media vary inside the same manufacturer. And it can be of the highest quality or lowest. For example. Verbatim is well known as one of the best manufacturer of media. But you can still find certain media which doesn't work after you burn it. And non of the strategy would help in this situation.

Sorry i've to disagree. That's why some features like Autostrategy or SolidBurn exists, to create the best possible writing strategy for the media you've insert in your drive, you've mentioned variation in quality that's absolutely right. Every batch you'll buy is different sometimes slightly better sometimes really bad when lookin on some scans, but as long as the discs are acceptable for reading, playback etc. however it doesn't matter now for example how much pies and pifs you've, the discs are workin and there's no defect by manufacturing. In most cases when media doesn't work it's simply badly produced/quality issues by manufacturers. And As or Sb are created for media which aren't like DOA. Sure what will AS do when the disc is still defective, nothing better. What i'd like to say is that options like these are created for the slightly or minimal quality variations of batches.

Aleksander69 · 23-03-2006

I aggree. Writing strategy is still better then nothing. But still it's more commercial move to sell more products. Writing str. doesn't make so much improvement as it should like they talk about it.

Stilll, the best and most secure writing is to set lower speed for every media. If media is 16x then write with 12x or even 8x. And if media is 8x, burn it with 6x or even 4x. By my opinion this is most secure way. Of course except if someone really needs to burn fast. Then turning off writing strategy is the best solution and recording with highest speed.

*bob11879* · 24-03-2006

Every disc requires a write strategy, whether it's a default strategy or generated by the drive. Turning it off will generally make a poor disc that much worse. By using a generic strategy, you use what you hope may work. By developing a strategy from the particular disc batch you have, you have a much better chance of getting a good quality burn. Writing at a slow speed for a TY disc after creating a strategy for that disc should produce a good burn. Writing at a slow speed on a Ritek with a default strategy may not. Speed is just one of the factors.

Aleksander69 · 26-03-2006

OK. I didn't mean turning off strategy completely. Of course every disk needs strategy. I meant only to turn of that speciall strategies which are in a firmware and use defoult strategy with no speciall treatments.

Speed is the most important factor. Second most important factor is quality of a disc. Everything the rest is what we ou can achieve best burning with best media and lowering speed. Also this can happen with lower quality media and lower the speed from the nominal which is set to a certain media. That's what burning strategys do. Lower the speed automatically instead of us

But still and more or less those burning strategies are not so much important as factories would like to show as. For them is more like a commercial move to sell more products. DVD units has reache their max speed and development has stopped in a way of speed. So they need to find something which will force customers to buy new products. You must understand that.

21-03-2006	#1
ping dummy New on Forum Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5	Autostrategy is not executed PX-755A, PlexTools 2.32a (and 2.30 from box), ASUS P4P800, WXPPro SP2 In log window after burning: 'autostrategy result: autostartegy is not executed'. Is this normal if I've checked AS ON or AS FORCED before burning? PLZ respond.

21-03-2006	#2
brokenbuga MyCE Resident Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast USA Posts: 1,015	Re: Autostrategy is not executed Autostrategy is only used with media that is unknown to the drive, in other words media that doesn't have a write strategy stored in the firmware. Without knowing the firmware or the media code, the question can not be answered. You can use Plextools to identify both the firmware of the drive and the media code you are using.

21-03-2006	#3
alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,695	Re: Autostrategy is not executed AS Forced means that AS is supposed to be used even if the media is known to the drive, and that a new strategy is supposed to be created for each disc. __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

21-03-2006	#5
alexnoe CDFreaks Resident Join Date: May 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 4,695	Re: Autostrategy is not executed It could be a bug in Plextools. Does the drive's LED indicate that AS is used? __________________ Asus P4C800E-Deluxe, Win XP, P4/2800 HT, 2048 MB RAM, 600 GB HDD, Plextor PX712/716/755/Premium, LG 4120B, Pioneer A08, Pioneer A09, NEC ND-3540A/4550A ------------------------------------------------ If at first you don't succeed, redefine success! How a troll wants to force users of Linux to buy Windows just to make use of Plextor DVD writer unique functions ------------------------------------------------ PxScan/PxView (compatible to Premium, PX-712, PX-714, PX-716), now with built-in picture file output Bitsetting via Autostart My Blog about DADVSI (new french copyright)

21-03-2006	#6
brokenbuga MyCE Resident Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: West Coast USA Posts: 1,015	Re: Autostrategy is not executed I would think those Verbatims would be in the firmware, so if set to AS on then AS wouldn't execute. Seems odd that AS forced doesn't work. Maybe as alexnoe suggests, it's a bug. My drive doesn't support AS forced, I'm curious as to what advantage it offers. Would you use it say, after a bad burn to compensate for a bad batch of discs? Or is this just a 'wanting to try everything' type of thing?

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21-03-2006	#13
hwp Retired Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,360	Re: Autostrategy is not executed Another thing to check if AS has been working: Has a entry been added in the AS-Database? Also for some obscure reason an error in the database might cause touble. Try clearing the database.

21-03-2006	#16
Shadow200 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: germany Posts: 41	Re: Autostrategy is not executed i created a strategy for ritek r03 - then there was a 6x strategy in the database. then i switched AS "on", chose 8x and burned - afterwards it says "AS not executed" - obviously AS was not used and speed was 8x but quality was much better than default write strategy....

21-03-2006	#18
bob11879 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 660	Re: Autostrategy is not executed If not on the recommended list, AS will generate a strategy the first time out if in Auto and then use that strategy. If quality is still not good enough, you can force it to create the strategy for your media. If AS is other than default (Auto), did you create the strategy? Check the database if the strategy for your media is there. If not, in the same screen, select 'Create Writing Strategy' "quick" (checks OPC) or "full" (uses a disc) and 'Replace existing entry', then press the Create Strategy button. Should generate a strategy for that media.

22-03-2006	#19
Aleksander69 CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 91	Re: Autostrategy is not executed I wonder why to create a strategy for certain media. AUTOSTRATEGY is only a commercial things for conviencing customers for buying their products. But there is no real reason to make strategy. Why? Because non of the media from the same manufacturer is of the same quality. Quality of a media vary inside the same manufacturer. And it can be of the highest quality or lowest. For example. Verbatim is well known as one of the best manufacturer of media. But you can still find certain media which doesn't work after you burn it. And non of the strategy would help in this situation.

23-03-2006	#21
Aleksander69 CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 91	Re: Autostrategy is not executed I'm not talking about crapy media. I mentioned Verbatim. I can also say MCC or TY. They suppose to be best media in the market at this time. Probably they are. But quality vary also at this manufacturers. So strategy can't be used for whole MCC disks (for example).

24-03-2006	#24
bob11879 CDFreaks Resident Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 660	Re: Autostrategy is not executed Every disc requires a write strategy, whether it's a default strategy or generated by the drive. Turning it off will generally make a poor disc that much worse. By using a generic strategy, you use what you hope may work. By developing a strategy from the particular disc batch you have, you have a much better chance of getting a good quality burn. Writing at a slow speed for a TY disc after creating a strategy for that disc should produce a good burn. Writing at a slow speed on a Ritek with a default strategy may not. Speed is just one of the factors.

26-03-2006	#25
Aleksander69 CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 91	Re: Autostrategy is not executed OK. I didn't mean turning off strategy completely. Of course every disk needs strategy. I meant only to turn of that speciall strategies which are in a firmware and use defoult strategy with no speciall treatments. Speed is the most important factor. Second most important factor is quality of a disc. Everything the rest is what we ou can achieve best burning with best media and lowering speed. Also this can happen with lower quality media and lower the speed from the nominal which is set to a certain media. That's what burning strategys do. Lower the speed automatically instead of us But still and more or less those burning strategies are not so much important as factories would like to show as. For them is more like a commercial move to sell more products. DVD units has reache their max speed and development has stopped in a way of speed. So they need to find something which will force customers to buy new products. You must understand that.

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