PAL to NTSC Conversion Using AVStoDVD

**Kerry56** · 17-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by cholla

How do I set AVStoDVD to not re-encode either audio or video that is already dvd-compliant ?

I've looked at the Help & I just can't figure out how to do this.

In Preferences, under both the Video and Audio tabs, there is a box on the right side. Put a check mark in the box that says Keep Mpeg2 DVD Compliant Video and a check mark in the box that says Keep AC3/DTS/MP2 DVD Compliant Audio.

Put a check mark in the box Save your Current Preferences as Default. Then click ok. You should get a notice that your current preferences are saved as default.

That's all there is to it.

*cholla* · 17-07-2012

Thanks Kerry that worked & was easier than what I got to work .
I found a way by using the "Lock" function & locking the encoder.
If General says "Direct stream copy" on both everything is good to go for no encode.
This produced a DVD that looked good so now I have a PAL DVD that I can work with .

To review the process:
1.Ripping to the hard drive with CloneDVD2 full size , no menu, & all audio tracks but the English one I wanted removed. I had a 5.44GB VIDEO_TS folder.
2. I converted the .VOBs in it with Vob2Mpg to a .mpg .
3. I then used AVIDemux v. 2.5.1 r5249 to convert to an xvid.avi .
( I tried a newer version of AVIDemux but it wouldn't work without GIMP
so I uninstalled it).
4. I used AVStoDVD to convert this to " Elementary MPEG2 Streams" with HCEnc 2-pass .
5. Did the direct stream to "DVD Folder Structure" with the m2v from step #4 .
6.Burned with ImgBurn .

This involved two encodes & maybe three. I'm not sure if Vob2Mpg is an encode or maybe transcode .
AVIDemux in an encode & so is HCEnc .
The resulting PAL DVD looks good on a 46" wide screen . I only tested it with my LG standalone so far.

**Kerry56** · 17-07-2012

Normally you shouldn't have to go to avi at all for this. I realize you were trying to get an avi starting point here though.

Vob2Mpg doesn't count as a encoding process. All it is doing is changing the container format and appending each vob to the next one. There is no picture quality loss in this step.

*cholla* · 17-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Normally you shouldn't have to go to avi at all for this. I realize you were trying to get an avi starting point here though .

That's what I thought too . The .mpg created with Vob2Mpg should have worked for the source .
It didn't though. You should have seen how bad the horizontal bars were on the attempt .

I'm now going to try to to go back to NTSC with this PAL DVD .

After that I may attempt it with a different movie & see if the .mpg works OK .

I think the XVID codec is what made the difference & is why the .avi worked well.

*cholla* · 19-07-2012

@ Kerry , I followed the directions In your post #7 . For going from a PAL DVD to a NTSC DVD .
I started by ripping the PAL DVD I created with DVDFab to the Hard drive,
I know I could have used the one I burned but I wanted it to be as close as
I could to ripping a commercial PAL. I tested this rip in VLC & it played fine.
I even used the magnifier tool when viewing some of the action scenes to check for the horizontal bars.
I then used DGIndex as in post #7 except on the .VOBs from the rip.
This created a .d2v , .m2v , & .ac3 as expected .
I copied the .m2v to the external harddrive I use via USB with my 46" wide screen TV.
Of course there was no audio but it played & looked fine . No horizontal bars.
I then used the .d2v as in post #7 in AVStoDVD to create a DVD .
Then I burned it with ImgBurn.

This DVD again has the horizontal bars even with light action .
I think the problem with AVStoDVD in doing this is either the resize or frame speed change when going to NTSC . That should be a problem with how AVStoDVD uses AviSynth or DGPulldown.

I have used HCEnc a lot with DVDRebuilder & never had a problem with it .
So I doubt it is the problem here.
I have been using A2DSource in Preferences/AviSynth Preferences
The Spline64Resize for the downsize filter.
I haven't tried either the DirectShowSource or the FFMpegSource settings.
Any suggestions on using settings in this area ?
I'm fairly sure that is where the problem is.

**Kerry56** · 19-07-2012

The Spline filters are the best for downsizing, which is what you are doing when going from PAL to NTSC. You could try Spline16, but I think its only advantage over the other one is speed.
I don't see any advantage to changing from A2DSource, but you can try the others if you just feel like experimenting.

And DGPulldown is only changing the flags. It isn't actually changing the framerate of the video. Any compliant player should honor the flags for playback though.

I didn't have these issues, so I'm at a loss to advise you. What do you see in the preview window in AVStoDVD?

*cholla* · 19-07-2012

The DGIndex of the PAL DVD rip plays fine.

The DVD Folder .vobs have problems.
The preview screen is small so the horizontal bars are very small but I did see some.
The audio was also out of sync in AVStoDVD preview.
It isn't in VLC or MPC-HC . I don't think it was when the DVD was played on my standalone to the TV .

*cholla* · 22-07-2012

This is an odd result I've had playing around with AVStoDVD settings :
Using the same .m2v & .ac3 files created by DGIndex as the source
The Preferences/AviSynth Preferences set to A2DSource/BilinearResize(soworks beston part ov conversion).
Video : I tried with " Keep MPEG2 DVD Compliant Video " checked & unchecked . This sisn't seem to make much difference . HCenc VBR 2pass , NTSC ,Full-D1
Audio : "Keep AC3/DTS/MP2 DVD Compliant Audio: " checked has worked best .
Veiw/Edit title settings:

Video: MPEG-2 Video, NTSC 720x480, Aspect Ratio 16:9, 4200 kbps, HCenc VBR 2-pass

Audio 1: AC3 (Dolby Digital), 5.1 channels, 384 kbps, Direct Stream Copy

Here's what happens:
If I Add Title/ the .m2v file & select "No" to indexing it . Then select the .ac3 when it comes up .
The process starts & finishes with a warning that the video is shorter than the source. I OK this.
It ends up with only approxamately half the movie.
The thing is this way the video looks good & no horizontal bars in action scenes or other scenes.

If I choose to Yes & let it index the source then auto uses the .d2v file .
Same other settings as above but goes without the warning .
The movie is now full legnth .The problem is this way the horizontal bars are back in any action scene & some with only light action.

@ Kerry56 , I saw in your topic you had been in contact with Mr.C the AVStoDVD author.
I was wondering how I might get him to take a look at this topic.

*cholla* · 24-07-2012

@ Kerry , If you would like to look at a short .m2v of the problem . I found out I could post them on the videohelp forum .
_MrC_ the author of AVStoDVD has a thread there as you know .

Post

*cholla* · 26-07-2012

I'm posting this in case someone finds the topic by searching.
My conclusion is that AVStoDVD is a good software for some things
but not for changing from NTSC to PAL or vice versa.

I've tried on two different movies & both had the problem.
I did far less work on the second movie but the results were the same .

A quote for the author _MrC_ of AVStoDVD about one of the videos :

Quote:

where did you get (or how have you produced) that m2v? It is obviously a badly encoded interlaced source to NTSC progressive. The horizontal ghost effect is due to the fact the field have been uncorrectly blended.

I give him a lot of credit for answering questions about his software .
I also put some of the blame for the "uncorect blending" on AVStoDVD .

I rerceived some very good help from a member on the videohelp.com forum
user name davexnet . He used VirtualDub to look at a .m2v that I had used as a source.
This showed a view of the horizontal bars.
I wanted to look at .vobs instead so I used VirtualDubMod to see the same thing.
This way I was able to check a movie ripped with CloneDVD2 & AnyDVD full DVD9 so there was no transcoding by CloneDVD2 . I then converted this from NTSC to PAL with AVStoDVD . Then I looked at a couple of the .vobs with VirtualDubMod & the bars were there & they weren't before the conversion. The only conclusion is they came from the AVStoDVD conversion.

@ Kerry56 , You tried to help me with this & I appreciate it. Take a look at the "NTSC dvd-video that plays flawlessly on my computer " you created from the PAL DVD you created. Check the .vob out with VirtualDubMod & see how the frames look. You might even have better software to check it .

These are images of the horizontal lines:
XXX.jpg

XXX01.jpg

**Kerry56** · 26-07-2012

Sorry cholla, but I tossed those dvds. And I never keep extraneous videos around long, so they are no longer on the hard drive either.

I'm not sure how you are getting badly interlaced video output from AVStoDVD though.

I'm downloading a sample PAL dvd, and will do a test encode going to NTSC.

**Kerry56** · 26-07-2012

The one I chose is not a great example. It is a calibration dvd, and the first section is not helpful, but there are two animated shorts on the rest of the dvd. You can download the ISO here: http://archive.org/details/AvCalibrationPalDvd

There is something odd about the audio, and AVStoDVD cannot index this movie properly, but converting to mpeg before importing solves this problem. AVStoDVD doesn't like the audio at all, in any way of importing it.

But conversion of the video went perfectly. The NTSC compliant video looks and plays quite well. Just can't get the audio to sync without extra effort on my part. I could do it, but I was mostly interested in the video stream conversion.

*cholla* · 26-07-2012

Hi Kerry , I would like to find out what the problem with AVStoDVD is .
I'm downloading the .iso in the link but I have a slow connection AT&T DSL.
So it takes a while . I will give it a try.
As in post # 27 the Pal DVD I created played & looked good as any other DVD I've compressed to DVD5 . A lot of times those look just as good to me as the commercial DVD9 . Since I use DVDRebuilder on most of my compressed DVD's.
Even when I looked at it with VirtualDubMod frame by frame I didn't see any of the horizontal line interlace problem.
Some action frames seem a little blurred or faded but I've compared this to the commercial DVD (strait from it) & I don't see any difference.
I've also compared the CloneDVD2 rip & it looks good.
I've compressed that rip as both PAL & NTSC with AVS toDVD & the interlacing problem showed up on both . So it has to be a problem with AVStoDVD.
I've even went as far as to uninstall both AVStoDVD & AviSynth them download & install then fresh.
The .m2v I posted on the video.help forum showed the horizontal lines (when davexnet opened it with VirtualDub but it doesn't have that problem when I open it.) . It was a DGIndex .m2v created from the PAL DVD that didn't have the problem . When I veiw this .m2v on my computer it doesn't have the problem either.

My conclusion is the problem is with whatever AVStoDVD is doing with AviSynth or somewhere else unseen . DGIndex seems to be working used by itself so it shouldn't be in it. HCEnc is working fine used with DVDRebuilder so it shouldn't be it . It has to be somewhere in between.

I have the .iso now & I will see what happens with it & post the results .

**Kerry56** · 27-07-2012

By the way, I took the two animated shorts out of the mpeg file using VideoReDo, and made a nice PAL dvd-video out of them with a menu to choose each one. This gives me a good PAL dvd on hand should I need to experiment in the future.

*cholla* · 27-07-2012

I did about the same with DVDShrink from the .iso .
I only used one of them with AVStoDVD so far .
It was the "computer generated people" one .
Overall it looked good when I checked it with VirtualDubMod.
There were no horizontal bar problems.
What I did notice & just in a few frames were some small
square pixels & small raised lines in a face . I think this was a
result of sharpening or possibly the actual computer generation process itself.
My understanding is the AviSynth resize settings also do some sharpening .
If I hadn't been going over it frame by frame I probably wouldn't have seen it.
I haven't yet tested it on a DVD on my wide screen TV but will probably today.
Did you do the menu with AVStoDVD ?

**Kerry56** · 27-07-2012

No, I authored it with DVDLab Pro.

*cholla* · 28-07-2012

Kerry , I decided to use both animations so from the DVDShrink Re-author of those I used AVStoDVD to make a menu & encode with HCEnc . They came out with no problems .
I would have liked to have had a PAL DVD that looked as good with real people & scenery though.

With the movies I've tried they still have the problem. Even a NTSC to NTSC.
The problem is not with HCEnc because when I used DVDRebuilder the encode doesn't have this problem .

17-07-2012	#27
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,393	Thanks Kerry that worked & was easier than what I got to work . I found a way by using the "Lock" function & locking the encoder. If General says "Direct stream copy" on both everything is good to go for no encode. This produced a DVD that looked good so now I have a PAL DVD that I can work with . To review the process: 1.Ripping to the hard drive with CloneDVD2 full size , no menu, & all audio tracks but the English one I wanted removed. I had a 5.44GB VIDEO_TS folder. 2. I converted the .VOBs in it with Vob2Mpg to a .mpg . 3. I then used AVIDemux v. 2.5.1 r5249 to convert to an xvid.avi . ( I tried a newer version of AVIDemux but it wouldn't work without GIMP so I uninstalled it). 4. I used AVStoDVD to convert this to " Elementary MPEG2 Streams" with HCEnc 2-pass . 5. Did the direct stream to "DVD Folder Structure" with the m2v from step #4 . 6.Burned with ImgBurn . This involved two encodes & maybe three. I'm not sure if Vob2Mpg is an encode or maybe transcode . AVIDemux in an encode & so is HCEnc . The resulting PAL DVD looks good on a 46" wide screen . I only tested it with my LG standalone so far. __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

17-07-2012	#28
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,446	Normally you shouldn't have to go to avi at all for this. I realize you were trying to get an avi starting point here though. Vob2Mpg doesn't count as a encoding process. All it is doing is changing the container format and appending each vob to the next one. There is no picture quality loss in this step. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

19-07-2012	#30
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,393	@ Kerry , I followed the directions In your post #7 . For going from a PAL DVD to a NTSC DVD . I started by ripping the PAL DVD I created with DVDFab to the Hard drive, I know I could have used the one I burned but I wanted it to be as close as I could to ripping a commercial PAL. I tested this rip in VLC & it played fine. I even used the magnifier tool when viewing some of the action scenes to check for the horizontal bars. I then used DGIndex as in post #7 except on the .VOBs from the rip. This created a .d2v , .m2v , & .ac3 as expected . I copied the .m2v to the external harddrive I use via USB with my 46" wide screen TV. Of course there was no audio but it played & looked fine . No horizontal bars. I then used the .d2v as in post #7 in AVStoDVD to create a DVD . Then I burned it with ImgBurn. This DVD again has the horizontal bars even with light action . I think the problem with AVStoDVD in doing this is either the resize or frame speed change when going to NTSC . That should be a problem with how AVStoDVD uses AviSynth or DGPulldown. I have used HCEnc a lot with DVDRebuilder & never had a problem with it . So I doubt it is the problem here. I have been using A2DSource in Preferences/AviSynth Preferences The Spline64Resize for the downsize filter. I haven't tried either the DirectShowSource or the FFMpegSource settings. Any suggestions on using settings in this area ? I'm fairly sure that is where the problem is. __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

19-07-2012	#31
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,446	The Spline filters are the best for downsizing, which is what you are doing when going from PAL to NTSC. You could try Spline16, but I think its only advantage over the other one is speed. I don't see any advantage to changing from A2DSource, but you can try the others if you just feel like experimenting. And DGPulldown is only changing the flags. It isn't actually changing the framerate of the video. Any compliant player should honor the flags for playback though. I didn't have these issues, so I'm at a loss to advise you. What do you see in the preview window in AVStoDVD? __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

19-07-2012	#32
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,393	The DGIndex of the PAL DVD rip plays fine. The DVD Folder .vobs have problems. The preview screen is small so the horizontal bars are very small but I did see some. The audio was also out of sync in AVStoDVD preview. It isn't in VLC or MPC-HC . I don't think it was when the DVD was played on my standalone to the TV . __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

22-07-2012	#33
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,393	This is an odd result I've had playing around with AVStoDVD settings : Using the same .m2v & .ac3 files created by DGIndex as the source The Preferences/AviSynth Preferences set to A2DSource/BilinearResize(soworks beston part ov conversion). Video : I tried with " Keep MPEG2 DVD Compliant Video " checked & unchecked . This sisn't seem to make much difference . HCenc VBR 2pass , NTSC ,Full-D1 Audio : "Keep AC3/DTS/MP2 DVD Compliant Audio: " checked has worked best . Veiw/Edit title settings: Video: MPEG-2 Video, NTSC 720x480, Aspect Ratio 16:9, 4200 kbps, HCenc VBR 2-pass Audio 1: AC3 (Dolby Digital), 5.1 channels, 384 kbps, Direct Stream Copy Here's what happens: If I Add Title/ the .m2v file & select "No" to indexing it . Then select the .ac3 when it comes up . The process starts & finishes with a warning that the video is shorter than the source. I OK this. It ends up with only approxamately half the movie. The thing is this way the video looks good & no horizontal bars in action scenes or other scenes. If I choose to Yes & let it index the source then auto uses the .d2v file . Same other settings as above but goes without the warning . The movie is now full legnth .The problem is this way the horizontal bars are back in any action scene & some with only light action. @ Kerry56 , I saw in your topic you had been in contact with Mr.C the AVStoDVD author. I was wondering how I might get him to take a look at this topic. __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear Last edited by cholla; 22-07-2012 at 20:16.

24-07-2012	#34
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,393	@ Kerry , If you would like to look at a short .m2v of the problem . I found out I could post them on the videohelp forum . _MrC_ the author of AVStoDVD has a thread there as you know . Post __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

26-07-2012	#36
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,446	Sorry cholla, but I tossed those dvds. And I never keep extraneous videos around long, so they are no longer on the hard drive either. I'm not sure how you are getting badly interlaced video output from AVStoDVD though. I'm downloading a sample PAL dvd, and will do a test encode going to NTSC. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

27-07-2012	#39
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,446	By the way, I took the two animated shorts out of the mpeg file using VideoReDo, and made a nice PAL dvd-video out of them with a menu to choose each one. This gives me a good PAL dvd on hand should I need to experiment in the future. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

27-07-2012	#41
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,446	No, I authored it with DVDLab Pro. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

28-07-2012	#42
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,393	Kerry , I decided to use both animations so from the DVDShrink Re-author of those I used AVStoDVD to make a menu & encode with HCEnc . They came out with no problems . I would have liked to have had a PAL DVD that looked as good with real people & scenery though. With the movies I've tried they still have the problem. Even a NTSC to NTSC. The problem is not with HCEnc because when I used DVDRebuilder the encode doesn't have this problem . __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

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