Verbatim DVD+R RITEK-R05-01 ?

Hi, this is just a simple question and I searched the forum without any clue:

Is it possible that Verbatim is making DVD+R RITEK-R05-01 ???

I bought a 50 pack cake yesterday and I noticed that my burner LG GSA-H54N 1.00 was making a different sound while burning them, so I checked and the discs are stamped VERBATIM DVD+R 16x in the outside, but IMGBURN shows them as RITEK-R05-01... Verbatim & Ridata making business??? what do you think?

Where are they made from? I doubt that verbatim would made their dvds on ritek...

I know RITEK F1 (16x -R) has shown up under the Verbatim brand in certain places, so I wouldn't be surprised if the +R version sprung up also.

As rakter asked, where are you located?

I'm located in Argentina. I've been buying and burning the same Verbatim DVD+R 16x forever and now I get Ritek? Just to let you know, the discs seem to be crappy than before but they definitely look EXACTLY like Verbatims... and it doesnt appear to be a fake disc... When burning at 16x my LG 54N sounds like an airplane. How can i provide more info about this discs? I believe that LG burners cannot check discs quality, am I right?, but this is the only burner I have... i could get a Liteon 1693 that I think it can, its old, but... it could work.

Here is some info with DVD Identifier 5.0.1 [Database.08-OCT-06] =

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RITEK-R05-001]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEK]
Media Type ID : [R05]
Product Revision : [001]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]
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** INFO : Drive = HL-DT-ST DVD-RAM GSA-H54N - [FW 1.00] - [ATAPI]
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD+R DVD+R-DL DVD+RW
** INFO : Write Capabilities = DVD-R DVD-R-DL DVD-RW DVD-RAM
** INFO : Disc = [DVD+R:RITEK-R05-001]
** INFO : Reference Speed : 1x DVD = 1385 kBps
** INFO : An Writeable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 22160 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 16620 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 5540 kBps ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
** WARNING : MODE SENSE Is Obsolete And Not Always Properly Supported
Descriptor #2 = 22160 kBps (16.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 16620 kBps (12.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 11080 kBps ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 07 52 49 54 45 4b 00 00 00 52 30 35 01 38 ...RITEK...R05.8
0020 : 23 54 37 13 00 44 73 00 84 6d 15 15 0b 0b 08 08 #T7..Ds..m......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 20 5f 1e 08 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 ..88. _...#.....
0050 : 00 00 00 20 5f 1e 08 2e 23 10 04 1e 1d 01 00 00 ... _...#.......
0060 : 02 00 54 70 00 2c 64 5f 20 13 09 09 01 20 00 00 ..Tp.,d_ .... ..
0070 : 00 00 00 38 64 6c 20 12 0a 09 01 20 00 00 00 24 ...8dl .... ...$
0080 : 03 00 54 df 00 2c 64 5f 20 13 09 09 01 28 00 00 ..T..,d_ ....(..
0090 : 00 00 00 6c 57 78 20 0e 09 09 01 28 00 00 00 58 ...lWx ....(...X
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ........
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[ DVD Identifier V5.0.1 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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And here is some info with DVDInfoPro v4.6.4.1=

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK R05
Media Product Revision Number 01h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 07 52 49 54 45 4B 00 00 00 52 .......RITEK...R
00000020 30 35 01 38 23 54 37 13 00 44 73 00 84 6D 15 15 05.8#T7..Ds..m..
00000030 0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 00 00 00 ................

Well, this is the only info I can provide for now until I get a LiteOn. Bye!

Aha, thanks, that's interesting . I believe the first report of Verbies with MIDs other than MCCetc was reported in Argentina also (MBI MID IIRC).

Yes, it was Argentina or Chile. I'm tempted to make a political joke here, but will refrain in respect to fellow CDFreakers.

Correct phrasing: Verbatim is SELLING Ritek R05 discs.
Ritek is making these discs. Verbatim buys them from Ritek.
If you want to know why I stress this point, please read this: The "dye" myth, or all about the "Mediacode" / "ADVInfo" / "MID

Now to the point: it has already been reported here, about five weeks ago or so, that Verbatim was starting to sell outsourced (non-MCC) DVDRs to some markets in "regular" Verbatim packages. The report was about Ritek F1 discs if I remember well.
*EDIT* I found the thread: Verbatim Ritek F1

It's not good news. - while I think that most Ritek stuff (excluding G05) is rather decent media when sold under reliable brands, it's really annoying that in some countries people can't just trust the Verbatim brand and be sure that they get "the real thing" (MCC stuff).

Changed my signature.

Your sig will only cause confusion with newbies. How do you know the discs are crappy? 16x Ritek/Ricoh/MBI has proved to be more than ok for most people.

Also, Maxell and Verbs can be just as cheap as lesser known brands. It just depends where you buy them from.

I think you should wait for more reports, and actual proof that the discs are bad before you start telling people to stay away from verbs.

R05 is not bad media.
It's stable and the performance on some drives with some settings (For instance Benq 1640 12x Solidburn on.) look better as what people are reporting for the TY made verbatims on some drives with some settings.

The parallel to Ritek R05 -- RicohJPN R03 [often made by Ritek] -- uses the same dye [yes, same dye with different MID] and more often than not has great results, even from some distributors that brand subpar media. I'd imagine that the RITEK R05 branded as Verbatim would be good. Methinks they wouldn't risk the brand name for poor media.

[ot]I can't remember where I saw that RITEKR05 and RICOHJPN R03 shared a dye, but looking at them with the naked eye shows similar/same coloring, and strategy swaps usually result in very similar performance.[/ot]

Colour says nothing !
What we do know is that Ritek-R05 used stampers which followed ricoh code system which then gave the idea of R05 uses Ricoh technology.

LOL... you should add to the sig : IF YOU LIVE (blablabla) don't trust Verbatim...
In Portugal, all i get is MCC's genuine on my Verbatim, MII or MIT. and i get a pack of 50 per 19€

Ritek-R05 are very nice too, i bought a 10pack of Fuji, they were ritek r05 and the results are very good, just a bit more PIF than Verbatim (about 600/900 PIF total) and just a bit higher PIE.

I don't know what the mega fuss is sometimes?

Unless it's known to be crappy media, people should wait before complaining/telling others not to buy. This is aimed @ Joseph5 btw.

I don't mean to start a flame fest or anything mean here but RitekR05 might be very decent media. If dhakaas says it's stable and whatnot, I'm inclined to believe this as he knows a fair amount of interesting things in the media scene.

Let's not forget that if Ritek G04 and G05 didn't degrade, they would have destroyed just about every other manufacturer due to their cheapness and unbelievably high compatibility in DVD players

Traxdata branded RITEK R05 has been extremely good to me - scans here and here. These were from two seperate batches, one of which was FF-printable. Some may think the jitter is a tad high on the Pioneer burn, but it doesn't have any effect on playback on any of my devices

Personally, I really like both Prodisc and Ritek 16x media, but am definately not a fan of either CMC or MBI 16x media

The jitter of that Pioneer burn wasn't too bad IMO. Pretty steady. The Optiarc burn looked far worse for jitter. Do they burn nicely @ 8x?

Yep - I also don't take the jitter of my 18A1P too seriously, as it isn't a very good reader IMO

Quite right. I must watch what I say. Thanks for the major correction.

I admit my mistake, when I originally created the signature, most Ritek was G05, hence the "crappy" remark. I changed the signature again. I hope everyone is happy now. Some people may argue saying that Verbatim and Maxell don't have "premium prices", but in Latin America they do, and many people looking for quality media in these countries pay that premium only to find out that they could've gotten the same discs under the Ridata brand for half the price.

Re: Verbatim media manufactured by whom?

I have used the regular "Wal-Mart" brands, ie. Maxell, Memorex, Sony, TDK with an occasional coaster, but I have never had a coaster on my NEC ND-2500A or Samsumg SH-S203B burners with Verbatim media, either CD or DVD. I usually buy my discs at Newegg.com, but I ran out recently, and bought a 100 pack of Verbatim silver CD-R discs at Sam's Club. When I just happened to check them with Nero tools, the disc report identified them as Ritek.

Furthermore, when I checked the Verbatim Data-Life P/N 95079 DVD-R printable white discs I bought from Newegg, Nero identified them as MCC 03RG20, which another CDFreak forum participant said was Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. They all work well, however.

I need to add that the 16X max DVD-R burns on my Samsung at 18X, and works well at my NEC at its rated 8X speed. The 52X max CD-R burns at 48X speed on my Samsung (its rated speed).

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Last edited by RSVP; 02-03-2008 at 09:16. Reason: additional information

Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. owns Verbatim.
MCC disc models (MCC 004, MCC 03RG20 etc..) are what to be expected in "proper" Verbatim-branded discs packages.

Ritek CDRs are not bad, and sometimes even better than some Verbatim's (Mitsubishi/MCC) own CDR discs.

Verbatim is owned by Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation, however there's nothing stopping them from distributing media from other manufacturers. These days with media being priced so low, distributors will do anything to cut costs, and if it means outsourcing, they will do it.

And Ritek is a manufacturer that is very capable of producing a good disc (and do a lot of the time).

Regards,
TerminalVeloCD