Which TY DVD+R: Silver Thermal Lacquer vs. White Inkjet Printable

caa100 · 11-08-2004

Getting ready to order some TY DVD+R media, and notice there are a couple of flavors :

- Silver Thermal Lacquer
- White InkJet Printable

I have no intention to print on my discs (only use a marker).

Are there any advantages of one of these types over another (longevity, etc.?) I see that the inkjet printables cost a bit more.

-caa100

*rdgrimes* · 11-08-2004

No difference, it's the same media.

*Jamos* · 12-08-2004

A word of warning on inkjet prinatbles. Although, the disk is not physically any different than the silver ones. If you print labels and attach them, they have been known to cause wobble. Thus causing errors on playback. So, if you do buy the printable ones, I would advise against printing labels for them.

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stoner51 · 12-08-2004

Do They have problems with the labeling even if it comes that way from the factory or is it just that way if you manually put the labels on. I have a epson printer and have thought about getting the TY white printable. I thought the label problem was when you (the consumer) put the labels on.
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jweissen · 12-08-2004

Hello all. I joined this forum to help you with this question. I apologize if I fail to do so adequately.

To address the first question as to whether there is a difference between "silver thermal lacquer" and "white inkjet printable," I'm going to say yes. Not on the data side necessarily (which is what you only care about), but on the label side. The only reason I am pointing this out is because of the questions brought about by the posts that followed the 2nd in this string. Although I am not too familiar with silver thermal lacquer (other than a summary that I just read), I do know that thermal technologies are different and separate from inkjet printable technologies. Epson has informed me that you may only use thermal printable discs with thermal printers and that inkjet printable discs may only be used with inkjet printable printers.

Now to address the label question. First of all, if you buy printable discs, you would not want to print on a label and then stick the label on the disc. Instead, you should print directly onto the disc itself. No paper involved, just ink. That's the purpose of buying thermal printable or inkjet printable discs in the first place. Of course, you will need to buy either a thermal printer or an inkjet printable printer to accommodate these special discs, but I highly recommend it. Epson has the Epson Stylus Photo R200 out for $99.99 and it is excellent.

If you do decide to print on labels the old-fashioned way by printing the labels and then sticking them onto your discs, I recommend using regular discs (not the thermal or printable kinds). After all, the thermal and printable discs have tops that are specifically made to trap their respective types of inks, not glue and paper. Know what I mean? And as to whether paper labels cause playback problems, well there definitely is much debate on the subject. I personally have had no problems, but you can read this link (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/39858) and decide for yourself. I decided to buy the Photo R200 to bypass any potential problems and because the discs looks way cooler without the paper. If you notice when you look at a store bought CD or DVD, there is no actual paper on the disc, just ink. That's the way it should be. Trust me on that.

I hope I helped.

*Kenshin* · 12-08-2004

I'd like a multi-fuction printer that can do fax, phone, copy, scan, etc. on the label sides of CD and DVD disks, clothes, and various types of paper and can accept USB and all types of major portable memory.

Having to buy multi-function printer, color laser printer, printer for photo, printer for CD and DVD, etc. separtely is too boring. I have only low-end inkjet multi-fuction printers from HP and Canon.

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caa100 · 12-08-2004

Thanks for all the replies. I still have a couple of questions.

Keep in mind that I do not plan to print on the discs, nor do I plan to stick a label onto them:

1.

I understand that the recording surface is the same on both types of TY DVD+R disc. But I have read that the label side is actually closer to the recording layer, meaning that the label side is important in protecting the recording layer. So I am wondering if any differences in the Thermal/Inkjet discs mean one is better than the other for protection.

2.

JWEISSEN recommended getting "regular discs, not thermal or printable."

I have not seen "regular" TY discs but maybe I just dont know where to look. Everywhere I find TY discs, they are either "Silver Lacquer Thermal Printable" or "White Inkjet Printable".

Is there such thing as a "regular" TY DVD+R disc? (I'm not talking Samsung or Fuji or Verbatim branded, cause I dont like playing the online "crap-shoot"-- you might not get TY)

Seems to me like the "Silver Lacquer" IS the "regular" type, and it also supports thermal printing. Can anyone confirm this?

- Chris

PS: The popular sources for TY DVD+R seem to be ACCA and RIMA

*Two Degrees* · 12-08-2004

Assuming you live in the US, it's not really a crap shoot if you walk into a brick-and-mortar store and pick up a pack of Fujifilm/Sony/Panasonic DVD-Rs that say "made in Japan." There really is no "regular" TY in the US in the retail market; those spindles you can order online are it.

caa100 · 12-08-2004

Thanks, Two Degrees. That's what I thoguht. The two types they have online are it.

Yeah, looking for "Made in Japan" is the way to go. Agreed. Unfortunately, I havent been able to find it anywhere around me. (And I live near a Microcenter, several Best Buy's and Circuit City's etc.) Bummer.

So I've got to order on line, and I dont want to gamble on Samsung etc. (For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, see this thread. Scroll to the end and you'll see that the party is over.)

Thanks everyone for your comments!

-caa100

jweissen · 12-08-2004

Hi, CAA100. I'm glad that you're getting some help on your TY discs. I just wanted to point out that the majority of my post was directed at the members who replied to your initial post (They started talking about labels being bad or good). Since you made it known in your first question that you don't intend to use labels of any sort, just a marker, it didn't apply to your dilemna. Good luck in your endeavor.

sbonds · 13-08-2004

If you want to be able to identify which US brands are really Taiyo Yuden media, try this German site:

http://www.mediamatch.de/medien.php

You can use Google to translate it if needed, but it seems pretty self-explanatory even for the non-German-speaking user.

Some of the links magically show up in English, such as this search for media returning a media type of YUDEN000

YUDEN000 Media

Which of course is what you were looking for.

-- Steve

MediumRare · 13-08-2004

Quote:

Originally Posted by caa100

I understand that the recording surface is the same on both types of TY DVD+R disc. But I have read that the label side is actually closer to the recording layer, meaning that the label side is important in protecting the recording layer. So I am wondering if any differences in the Thermal/Inkjet discs mean one is better than the other for protection.

That is the case for CDR media. The information layer in a DVD is actually sandwiched between 2 plastic layers with the same thickness. I'd be more worried about scratching and disturbing the optical properties of the lower surface.

@sbonds
This is an alias for InstantInfo, which offers similar information for CDR(W)'s as well (with an English interface in this case: http://www.instantinfo.de/index_cdrohlinge_e.php). Although I find it useful, particularly for checking the manufacturer before purchase (I live in Germany), a lot of American (or Korean/Japanese/whatever) brands are not listed. You'll find very little TY listed. It's not complete for German media, either.

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