Old 17-09-2006   #1
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Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

I purchased a 100 pack of Verbatim DVD+R discs on a spindle the other day. When looked at under electric light (not daylight) there is a definite mottling effect around the outside rim of the recording side of the disc and extending in for around half an inch. The mottling effect gives the impression that some foreign substance (dust?) attached itself to the disc during the manufacturing process. I have not tried out any of the discs as I want to return them if they are indeed faulty.

What do you guys think - are the discs faulty?

Thanking you in advance for any assistance you can provide.

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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

I have such spotty Verbatim discs also (50pc cakebox verbatim 16x DVD+R Made in India).
It's difficult to record these discs without getting PIE and PIF clusters beyond the 4 GB mark.

I have decided to keep mine but I usually don't burn more than 4 GB to these discs (I have many other DVDs without this particular problem, so I just use those instead).

If Verbatim don't fix this, I'm going to stop recommending Verbatim when people ask what to buy.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

DrageMester,

Thanks for getting back to me so promptly with that answer.

If that's the case, then, despite the shipping hassle, they are going back.

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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

I'm recommending MIT Verbies to everybody (and mostly use MIT Verbies personally too), and until now everything went well.
The Prodisc are a bit problematic too though, I've had this in a 25 cakebox where one discs gave wonderful scans and the next disc had an awfully ugly TRT. Never seen any spot issues with MIT Verbies though.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

By the way, I'd be grateful if you would recommend an alternative (I bought Verbatim this time because of their excellent reputation). I'm burning with an LG GSA-H10N.

I'm in the UK. This problem with Verbatim must be widespread then, or at least must emanate from a particular manufacturing source.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

I can recommend buying on-line from SVP.

I'm not sure about the exact preferences of your LG drive, but you can get e.g. a variety of Taiyo Yuden media (including Plextor and Panasonic branded) from SVP which should burn well in any recent desktop drive.

You can even get Verbatim branded Taiyo Yuden media from SVP if you want.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

The Verbatim problem emanates from the Moser Baer source, I believe. Time for some MBI bashing: Not only is the mechanical quality (surface, lacquer) of their discs bad, but they also have a bad QC!

Your LG will produce nice burns with nice media. I would recommend Verbatim 16x DVD+R (Made in Taiwan), Verbatim 8x DVD+R or -R (Made in Taiwan), or Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD+R or -R.
Taiyo Yuden 16x DVD+R or -R, Verbatim 16x DVD-R (Made in Taiwan), Maxell 8x DVD+R and Maxell 16x DVD+R or -R will be good too.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

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...Maxell 8x DVD+R and Maxell 16x DVD+R or -R will be good too.
If made in Japan, of course - Blaine, you can pick up 16x Made in Japan Maxells in Asda - but make sure they say Made in Japan.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

Thanks for all the valuable advice from everyone. It really is much appreciated!

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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

This is one sample of the results that I have got with MIJ Maxell (burned in a BenQ 1640; and I've got similar results with 1655 and 1650 burners),
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These are scans of my burns with maxell media:
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I have such spotty Verbatim discs also (50pc cakebox verbatim 16x DVD+R Made in India).
It's difficult to record these discs without getting PIE and PIF clusters beyond the 4 GB mark.

I have decided to keep mine but I usually don't burn more than 4 GB to these discs (I have many other DVDs without this particular problem, so I just use those instead).

If Verbatim don't fix this, I'm going to stop recommending Verbatim when people ask what to buy.
I'm way ahead of you!

I've stopped recommending verbatim ages ago - I have noticed the same thing with many batches however, it can happen with any brand - I personally stick with Taiyo Yuden, but for Dual Layer you are still better off with verbatim. For the -R and +R kind I still recommend the TY. I keep reading more and more bad experiences with verbatim and personally have had more bad experience than good - To be fair, I also have noticed poor quality control with TY discs (dust particle, spots on the dyes, poor bonding, to mention a few! However it occurs much less frequently than I noticed for verbs.
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

In my scans the Verbatim DVD+R 16x made in India are ahead of those made in Taiwan. The PIE average of the MBI discs is substantially lower and the PIF averages slightly lower than the Taiwan made discs. Below are two typical scans. The first one MCC004 made in India and the second MCC004 made in Taiwan. Both were written with the BenQ 1655 at 12x speed. SB and WOPC were turned on.
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My batch of Verbatim DVD-R 16x made in Taiwan (printable discs) can only be described as crappy. Below a typical scan made with the BenQ 1655 at 12x speed. I have seen here also quite a few similar scans though I have also seen some fine MCC03RG20 scans here.
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MCC 03RG20 is slightly inferior to MCC 004.
The thing is, MBI media does not have to be bad, but you never know what you get. Excellent Verbies are made by MBI, but they also make real lemons
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Re: Are these Verbatim discs faulty?

Ebuyer are doing Infiniti Pro 16x +R which are MCC004 for £8.24 for 50. Looking good so far.
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Ebuyer are doing Infiniti Pro 16x +R which are MCC004 for £8.24 for 50. Looking good so far.
Sounds like a good deal. I've got 50, MIT (CMC).
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