Taiyo Yuden TYG02 Dye

happyspader · 09-06-2005

Hi all,

I recently purchased a spindle of 4x white top Taiyo Yuden TYG02s and I've noticed that the colour of the dye is lighter than that of RiTEK G04s. Even worse, the colour of the dye is pretty much similar to that of dodgy Laser DVDs

I bought the TYs from JPLDisplays

I thought that, in general, the darker the dye, the better? Perhaps I'm mistaken.

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG02]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd]
Manufacturer ID : [TYG02]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB

Hawseman · 09-06-2005

Firstly, TYG02's should be 8x....you might have got the bonus pack.

I don't see very much correlation with the dye color. I once used Ritek 4x....very dark.....one batch was awesome, and one batch sugged weenies.

Have you tried them out?

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*ghetocowboy* · 09-06-2005

hmmm, TYG02 is 8X rated media, the Ritek dye is bright purple and the TY dye is dark blue purple. Something fishy about the media you bought. How reputable is that store?

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happyspader · 09-06-2005

Thanks for your replies.

The store I bought the TYs from is quite reputable in Australia.

As for the media being 8x, I checked up on its specks using DVDInfoPro and it confirms that they're indeed 8x media. Boy am I happy

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Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity Not Formatted
Free Blocks 412352512
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Media Id Code Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 1.0x 1385KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 85 78 75
4x Write Strategy field 5 D6 89 A8 92 01 20
4x Write Strategy field 6 10 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

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I've also burnt one to see if they really live up to the quality. As I've got a Pioneer 107D, I'm not able to probe it; so instead I used Neros' DVD/CD Speed tests

Under the mistaken belief that these discs were rated at 4x, I burnt the test DVD at 4x and the curves were very straight.

glory77 · 09-06-2005

I'm not sure how to really distinguish between genuine and fake TYG02 by merely looking at the dye or appearance, but i know there are so many fake TYG02 DVD-R in australia now.........at least i've "accidently" bought 2 different spindles which are all fake.........one is LASER (sigh........unbelievable)......i forgot the name of another one.....i'll check it out later

the best way to figure out is to use nero to burn a testing disc and then run different disc quality tests in nero or KProbe.......and then you'll see what is "superb" what is really called "CRAP"!.........

however, the interesting is, although there are different fake TYG02 dvds, but the quality is still different and inconsistent........(should i feel fortunate or upset...)......some are better than other.......

at least the LASER fake TYG02 i bought was unbelievablly pathetic.......the nero disc quality results prove that......

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 411107328
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 85 78 75
4x Write Strategy field 5 D6 89 A8 92 01 20
4x Write Strategy field 6 10 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 AA 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .....@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......

here's another fake TYG02 which is "slightly" better......

Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID TYG02
Format Type UDF 2.16
Volume Name
Application id
Implementation id
Recording Date/Time (mm/dd/yyyy) 0/ 0/ 0 0:00:00
Format Capacity 4.38GB(4.71GB)
Book Type DVD-R
Media Type DVD-R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.0x 2770KBps
Write Strategy Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
2x Speed OPC beta 08
2x Speed OPC power 0E
2x Write Strategy field 1 11 87 78 80
2x Write Strategy field 2 88 80 00 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta 06
4x Speed OPC power 13
4x Write Strategy field 1 0D 10 0E 07
4x Write Strategy field 2 97 07 0D 0B
4x Write Strategy field 3 80 00 00 00
4x Speed OPC beta multi-pulse 06
4x Speed OPC power multi-pulse 18
4x Write Strategy field 4 17 85 78 75
4x Write Strategy field 5 D6 89 A8 92 01 20
4x Write Strategy field 6 10 00 D0 00 00
Data area starting sector 30000h
Data area end sector 231020h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

Complete Media Code
00000000 00 AA 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .....@....R.....
00000010 66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......

two media codes are the same i guess, but the dye used looks similar........so can't really tell the difference.........

also post ur full media code, that might help

cheers

ps. anyone got fake TYG02 may also join our discussion and post ur results

happyspader · 09-06-2005

Hmm.. I'm a bit concerned now

Media Code from DVD Identifier
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 10 66 78 80 00 .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG02..........
0020 : 05 aa a2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0e 11 87 78 80 00 ..."" .......x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 13 0d 10 0e 07 00 ................
0040 : 09 97 07 0d 0b 78 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 .....x..........
0050 : 0b 06 18 17 85 78 75 00 0c d6 89 a8 92 01 20 00 .....xu....... .
0060 : 0d 10 00 d0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ............

Media Code from DVDInfoPro

00 6C 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 52 00 02 87 0D 10 .l...@....R.....
66 78 80 00 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 fx...TYG02......
00 00 00 00 05 AA A2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0E 11 ......."" ......

Last edited by happyspader; 09-06-2005 at 04:30.

*dicer* · 09-06-2005

Media codes can be forged......the way to check if the discs are real is on the serial numbers on the disc. Should start with GG for yours. e.g. TG001125

If your Taiyo Yudens were from JPL then you'll be fine. If the discs you were talking about are Lasers, then they are without a doubt - using fake MID code.
(didn't fully understand your wpool post)

And btw...the makes us wonder if all of the 4x white top discs JPL send are gonna be 8x now...

happyspader · 09-06-2005

I had a look at the serial code in the inner ring of the DVD: GG000110.

Does it sound legit?

Cheers.

happyspader · 09-06-2005

Nero CD/DVD Transfer Test

http://home.exetel.com.au/happyspader/scan1.jpg

File and Surface Scan

http://home.exetel.com.au/happyspader/scan2.jpg

*dicer* · 09-06-2005

Yes looks right to me (although i'm no expert). The cheap discs with fake MID's usually have small serial numbering (if any at all). like just a few letters+numbers....while yours is the exact TY serial length

i wanna buy a pack now

happyspader · 09-06-2005

Sweet as

Seems like JPL's 4x white top DVD-Rs will be shipped at 8x spindles! Get 'em while you can!

glory77 · 09-06-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by dicer

Yes looks right to me (although i'm no expert). The cheap discs with fake MID's usually have small serial numbering (if any at all). like just a few letters+numbers....while yours is the exact TY serial length

i wanna buy a pack now

dicer is right, the two fake TYG02 i bought merely have "weird" serial numbers.........the LASER one i got has nothing like "GG" or any no. for identigying whether it's geunine or fake TYG02

btw, based on my previous experience, using 2x for buring fake TYG02 still can produce "reasonable" quality of discs......

.....(hope so)

glory77 · 09-06-2005

btw

couple days ago i saw some disk smith shops also sell LASER fake TYG02 dvd-r in a high price........unbelievable again......and also EB game shops as well.........

*icey* · 09-06-2005

The genuine TY MAxell x4 TY discs I have are quite light compared to others I have seen, and the Fuji x8 are even lighter. All have genuine hub serials. TY having dark dye - not from what I can see.

*ghetocowboy* · 10-06-2005

I guess the only safe way is to buy MIJ big brand name media like TDK, SONY, FUJI, Maxell, Panasonic, and a few others, any were brands, stay away from them

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happyspader · 10-06-2005

Brand name means nothing when it comes to optical media. In most cases, if not all, there may be multiple manufacturers for the brand names, and whose quality are questionable. You need only search on the Afterdawn.com media database to see how many manufacturers are behind the said big brands

Of course, having said that, (genuine) Taiyo Yuden branded DVDs are in fact made by Taiyo Yuden in Japan

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