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Blank Media Discuss, The Taiyo Yuden FAQ at Consumables forum; "Diskimpex" is not official distributor for TY media for the Balkans. -It is just a trade import company,only for Greece release,which usually sell premium or value line TY discs,under it's company own label-There are also sometimes imports of Plextor or That's label discs ,but not always available, even company's price

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Gary Kokkin (CDFreaks Resident)
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Posted: 29-10-2006
"Diskimpex" is not official distributor for TY media for the Balkans.
-It is just a trade import company,only for Greece release,which usually sell premium or value line TY discs,under it's company own label-There are also sometimes imports of Plextor or That's label discs ,but not always available, even company's price catalog always mentioned them for marketing purposes.

There aren't official TY distributor media outside Japan,except offices for all TY activities,in Gernany (for Europe), and USA.-TY work as OEM in common knows media brands,and rest of each production available to resellers, depends on value for money in each production line.So quality o f these discs vary.

BTW Diskimpex unbranded TY disc quality, discuss a lot in Greek forums ,and opinion are mix to low in thoughts,for the reason above.-My choice after test many of them,stick with branded TY discs
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kg_evilboy (CD Freaks Boy Toy)
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Posted: 29-10-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Kokkin
There are also sometimes imports of Plextor or That's label discs ,but not always available, even company's price catalog always mentioned them for marketing purposes.
This depends, at least I was able to get some of them
And with all the huge boxes in their warehouse I think there's no That's shortage coming
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary Kokkin
BTW Diskimpex unbranded TY disc quality, discuss a lot in Greek forums ,and opinion are mix to low in thoughts,for the reason above.-My choice after test many of them,stick with branded TY discs
They work fine for me, but YMMV.
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Posted: 29-10-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_evilboy
And with all the huge boxes in their warehouse I think there's no That's shortage coming
Most huge boxes in their warehouse not mentioned "Thats" branded TY discs on them-Just write a simple "made in Japan" (and some Jananesee symbols too)

-Also some boxes are usually empty,for repackaging discs depatching by mail customer or smaller shop.Marketing with Greek culture

Most discs arrives in "Diskimpex" in one pallete-package of 10000 discs,and many times usually split to 100 by stuff,so retail packaging of them also vary.
"That's" master package boxes,is different,include at most 1000 discs in retail
packages in smaller boxes,but "That's" mentioned by logo on them.

This mix commercial situation avoid someone give a easy trust to all "Diskimpex" imports.
Last edited by Gary Kokkin; 29-10-2006 at 17:20.
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Posted: 02-11-2006
So is it possible to have fake T02's with a real TY Cakebox? I ordered the T02's on newegg.com last week and the cakebox is identical to what mciahel posted earlier on real TY cakeboxes. The media seems to be burning good. Very low or no PIF's, but the PIE's are spiking early in the scan but dropping. I read somewhere on the forums that low quality media can have early spikes like that. I used my Benq 1655 and burned at 8x.
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Posted: 02-11-2006
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Originally Posted by jtoaks
So is it possible to have fake T02's with a real TY Cakebox? I ordered the T02's on newegg.com last week and the cakebox is identical to what mciahel posted earlier on real TY cakeboxes. The media seems to be burning good. Very low or no PIF's, but the PIE's are spiking early in the scan but dropping. I read somewhere on the forums that low quality media can have early spikes like that. I used my Benq 1655 and burned at 8x.
Batches vary. And I personally guarantee that your discs are not fake. Of course you can just look for the code stamped on the inner portion of the discs to confirm this yourself, as stated in the initial post of this thread T02 will have a 'TGxxxx' code stamped on it.
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Blinky7 (New on Forum)
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Posted: 10-11-2006
Yes I was talking about Disc Impex , which is the local TY distributor.
You can take a look at their prices here :
http://www.discimpex.gr/firstlook.htm

Just ignore the Greek stuff, and add 19% VAT to the prices.

To save you the trouble, for DVD+R 8x 100 spindles including VAT:
That's branded with jewel cases : 51.17 euros
TY Ceramic Coat Cakebox : 28.56 euros
TY Blue Cakebox : 23.8 euros
TY Silver Cakebox : 20.23 euros

The media is authentic, I have bought many times in the last 10 years from CD-R to DVD-r...

Now thinking if I should risk with the Silver ones, when the price difference with the Ceramic coat is only 8 euros for 100 pieces...
I have bought the Ceramic coat (yuden000 T02) ones before and they were excellent.
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kg_evilboy (CD Freaks Boy Toy)
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Posted: 10-11-2006
The silver cakeboxes are cheap.
So why not give it a try
It may be not the top-performer which TY usually is, but for such a price it would not really be a risk...
Keep in mind that the cheapest DVD media costs twice as much in Germany
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Posted: 11-11-2006
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Originally Posted by kg_evilboy
The silver cakeboxes are cheap.
So why not give it a try
It may be not the top-performer which TY usually is, but for such a price it would not really be a risk...
Keep in mind that the cheapest DVD media costs twice as much in Germany
Heh, it seems TY media is one of the very rare "electronic equipment" which is cheaper in Greece than in Europe/US?
So weird...
especially since we stil have to pay 2.9 euros per piece for Verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4x in 10pieces cakeboxes...

What the hell, I pay 29 euros for just 10 DL disks every now and then, I am gonna give the 20 euros for 100x Silver TY and give them a try...
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Posted: 13-11-2006
Some older people say ,whatever pay you get or everything yellow shine is not gold.Choice is our risk
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Posted: 14-11-2006
I dunno if folks are still looking for TY02 stock but DVDShopOnline seem to have some in stock.
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jyang (New on Forum)
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Posted: 15-11-2006
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but the Taiyo Yudens on Amazon (search for Taiyo Yuden, non-rebranded) are legit, right? Or, no? (Seems almost too good to be true, given how hard it seems to find them).

For example -- http://www.amazon.com/s/102-9422085-...=Taiyo%20Yuden

Thanks a lot!
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scoobiedoobie (CDFreaks Resident)
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Posted: 15-11-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by jyang
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but the Taiyo Yudens on Amazon (search for Taiyo Yuden, non-rebranded) are legit, right? Or, no? (Seems almost too good to be true, given how hard it seems to find them).

For example -- http://www.amazon.com/s/102-9422085-...=Taiyo%20Yuden

Thanks a lot!
Those aren't actually being sold by Amazon but by third parties so there's no guarantees. Most of the photos show the discs in TY-style spindles but again that's no guarantee of what you'll end up getting.
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jyang (New on Forum)
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Originally Posted by scoobiedoobie
Those aren't actually being sold by Amazon but by third parties so there's no guarantees. Most of the photos show the discs in TY-style spindles but again that's no guarantee of what you'll end up getting.
Oh, you're right... Thanks for pointing that out. ("Media Supply" -- hmmm... )
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makabre (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 20-11-2006
PLEXTOR is no longer distributing Taiyo Yuden dvds. I learned this when I tried
to buy a few + spindles and I was told they will no longer available (only
while the stock lasts). This was confirmed on a forum too.
Taiyo Yuden is manufacturing their dvds in China now. These will be put on
the market with "Made in China" on the packaging.
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kg_evilboy (CD Freaks Boy Toy)
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Posted: 20-11-2006
If this is true, then they are the first serious manufacturer to manufacture DVDs in China.
However, without having seen a link to Digitimes, CDRInfo or similar, I don't believe too much.
I really don't believe that the company praising itself as one of the few manufacturers of media with all their production lines in Japan, and a "Nippon-sei" packaging series, moves production overseas out of a sudden.

So if you could elaborate, it would be nice.

Don't forget kids:
"High-quality made-in-Japan media is the answer to preventing the loss of a growing family’s precious, irreplaceable data recordings."
http://www.yuden.co.jp/e/release/pdf/2005/20050704e.pdf
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Posted: 20-11-2006
I heard the same thing about Plextor (re: them getting out of the media business) a couple of days ago.
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I would appreciate a link
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Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!”

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Posted: 20-11-2006
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Originally Posted by kg_evilboy
I would appreciate a link
Unfortunately, I wasn't given one. I think, since it's hearsay, it's one of those "wait and see if it happens" things.

I will see if I can dig something up though, I'm curious myself.
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The Plextor news is now announced on the frontpage of a local media site.
The writer,who is in touch with Plextor Europe elaborated that the cause of
Plextor ending their media line is that they couldn't get a better deal from TY.
Verbatim gets their TY discs -20% cheaper than Plextor and they have had enough.
Apparently they also looked for an option of distributing a different media but
they couldn't find as high quality material as TY.
This is especially bad new for some European TY users to whom Plextor was
pretty much the only TY media around (the only other TY I have seen was
Verbatim but not always available).

TY already has a big plant in China so I'm not surprised if they will use parts
of it for media manufacturing. The first sign will be: TY gets cheaper than Verb.
Then they will have a big market share worldwide and the quality gets crap.
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kg_evilboy (CD Freaks Boy Toy)
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Posted: 20-11-2006
Care to give us a link?
Frankly, I would be surprised if the local media site was the ultra-secret NSA site.

But those two posts are EXTREMELY different messages:
Quote:
Originally Posted by makabre
Taiyo Yuden is manufacturing their dvds in China now. These will be put on
the market with "Made in China" on the packaging.
Quote:
Originally Posted by makabre
TY already has a big plant in China so I'm not surprised if they will use parts
of it for media manufacturing. The first sign will be: TY gets cheaper than Verb.
Then they will have a big market share worldwide and the quality gets crap.
Taiyo Yuden manufacturing their DVDs (= all DVDs) in China is not the same as having a plant in China (for packaging and manufacturing of electronic equipment) which may be used for media manufacturing.

In fact TY is already cheaper than Verbies, at least in Greece for volume customers. And it has been like that for quite some time already!
TY uses the Chinese plant for packaging only, because (from what I heard, I think it was over there @ CDRInfo) they weren't capable to make high quality media in China.

Oh, and by the way, what about Japanese Maxell? Companies like Mori and Mediabox (granted, those discs cost an arm and a leg) already relabel high-quality MIJ Maxell media, and parts of these will still be made in Japan.

I'm not sure whether they will have a big market share only by being cheap, and whether the quality will be much worse. I'm not actually sure that a company distancing itself from the others with a definite "Made in Japan" appeal would, out of a sudden, try to move all their lines to China.

I'm not too keen on another Toilet Paper Panic:
"1973 December 19: comedian Johnny Carson causes a three week toilet paper shortage in the USA after a joke scares consumers into stockpiling supplies"
(Wikipedia quote)
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Sneaker Fun Fact: When Circa was developing a pro shoe for Chad Muska, he requested a stash pocket to run the entire length of the tongue. When designers asked The Muska if he really needed that much stash room, he replied, “Yo, I gots a lotta weed to fit in there, man!”

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Posted: 20-11-2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by kg_evilboy
I'm not too keen on another Toilet Paper Panic:
"1973 December 19: comedian Johnny Carson causes a three week toilet paper shortage in the USA after a joke scares consumers into stockpiling supplies"
(Wikipedia quote)
LOL! Nicely put - I think the "wait and see what happens" approach is good enough for me right now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blinky7
Heh, it seems TY media is one of the very rare "electronic equipment" which is cheaper in Greece than in Europe/US?
So weird...
especially since we stil have to pay 2.9 euros per piece for Verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4x in 10pieces cakeboxes...

What the hell, I pay 29 euros for just 10 DL disks every now and then, I am gonna give the 20 euros for 100x Silver TY and give them a try...
Its true....we're pretty lucky!...(Athens Here)

The best part is that through discimpex you have direct access to this baby...
http://www.thatscd-r.jp/shop/goods/g...=4906915102166

And at 18 Euros the 50...for me its a bargain...

As mentioned above, discimpex also labels both ceramic coated (A rate) and value (B rate) TY DVD's. But, since I have a choice, I always go for That's (TYG02) ceramic...best media by far for me...
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manny_el_portu (New on Forum)
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Hey everybody,

This is my first post, so please don't flame me. I just wanted to know if there are any fake TY with the GG00xxxx code. This is because I just received a 100 disc cakebox from ukdvdr.co.uk (maybe I should have read the reviews before ordering, right?) and although the cakebox doesn't have the official Taiyo Yuden Authentic Top Paper Cover the discs all have the GG00xxxx code on them?
Have I been had? are they real TYs or not? Should I complain back to the store?

Well, thanks in advance for any help.
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Welcome, manny_el_portu

The GGxxxxxx code would indicate these are genuine TY.
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Generally, TY DVD discs have three codes, a four-digit number, a eight-character batch code (which are both located in the outer hub area) and another code in the transparent hub.
....
If the codes in the transparent hub are double printed/overprinted, shorter than normal or do not exist at all, you might have value line media. Value line media does not necessarily have those special hub codes though.
I'm trying to figure out if there is any other way to know if some TY media is premium or value line.

At work, I have a cakebox of unlabeled discs that return this on DVD identifier:
Quote:
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG03]
The rings in the middle are labeled
Code:
0711            four-digit number
GH000135        eight-character batch code
3E622A210627GH  another code
So does this mean I have premium discs? Is there any way to determine this by looking at them inside of a store?


One strange thing I noticed is that on the above media, when I split the two layers (just to see) on the top layer there is a very faint impression of
Quote:
GG000158
The "GH000135" is only on the bottom layer. I tried on another disc, and it shows the same thing. It is not visible until the layers are split.
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