The Taiyo Yuden FAQ

The Taiyo Yuden FAQ
Version 1.03
I couldn't have made this short FAQ without the great help of all the other CDfreaks members. Thanks to everybody on these forums, especially to authors of TY-related threads, which brought valuable information to us.

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**EDIT DrageMester 2006/06/13**

Also check these related threads containing useful information:

Brands and disc types that are fake Taiyo Yuden
How to tell if my TY are genuine (including serials and pics showing where to look for them)
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What's this TY all about?
Taiyo Yuden is a Japanese company which invented the first recordable CD. The media quality of Taiyo Yuden media, which is made by the subsidiary That's Fukushima, is often regarded superior to media manufactured by other companies.

Taiyo Yuden media is much more widespread on the Japanese market, where it has 60% market share. If the packaging says "Made in Japan", it will definitely be TY with CD-R and possibly be TY with DVD media (but it can also be Matsushita, Maxell, Ritek, Sony, Unifino, Kitano or Ricoh). Taiyo Yuden media is only made in Japan.

The "That's cakebox" (with codes like FIC-2A, FIC-1B, 2A or A on the top) is a clear sign of TY media, unless those are clones with either Maxell written on the top or using ABS instead of PS for the black bottom (Platinum).

Which brands are selling Taiyo Yuden media?
Disc Impex (Greece)
Disc Impex (http://www.discimpex.gr) is a Greek distributor for Taiyo Yuden and That's media.

Fuji (Japan)
8x DVD-R
MIJ + 50 pcs That's Cakebox

Fuji (US)
8x DVD+R
MIJ + Standard Cakebox or Color Disk Tower

8x DVD-R
MIJ + That's Cakebox or Color Disk Tower

Fuji (Europe)
8x DVD+R
MIJ + 25 pcs Standard Cakebox with gray base
MIJ + 5 pcs cardboard box with jewel cases
MIJ + Amaray DVD video box

8x DVD-R
MIJ + 25 pcs Standard Cakebox with gray base

Fusion (Korea)
Fusion (http://www.taiyo-yuden.net) is an official distributor for Taiyo Yuden media in Korea.

Maxell (Japan)
8x DVD-R DL
MIJ + ?

Maxell (US)
4x DVD-R
MIJ + 15 or 25 pcs Cakebox

CD-R
MIJ + all cakeboxes
Maxell Pro CD-R
MIJ + Maxell CD-R for Music

Maxell (Europe)
4x DVD+R
MIJ + Shrinkwrap (5-color disc)
MIJ + 25 pcs That's Cakebox
MIJ + 5 pcs cardboard boxed, in "regular" jewel cases

CAUTION: 8x +R and -R media can be Ritek, even if the packaging says MIJ.

CD-R
Maxell Colour CD-R 80XL 48x

Miflop (Spain)
With recent Miflop Extreme media, you should always get TY.

Panasonic (US)
8x DVD-R
Small Packs of Slim Cases

Panasonic (Europe)
4x DVD-R
Box + 10 pcs Slim Cases

8x DVD-R
MIJ + 10 pcs That's Cakebox
MIJ + 25 or 50 pcs That's Cakebox (printable)

16x DVD-R
MIJ + 10 pcs Slim Cases in shrinkwrap
MIJ + 25 pcs cakeboxes with gray bottom + clear shrinkwrap

Plextor (Europe)
With recent Plextor media, you should always get TY, in a That's cakebox with printed shrinkwrap.

Sony (US)
8x DVD+R
MIJ + White Round (can also be SONY D11) or White Octagonal Spacer

8x DVD-R
MIJ + White Octagonal Spacer

16x DVD+R
MIJ + White Octagonal Spacer

16x DVD-R
MIJ + White Octagonal Spacer

TDK (Japan)
8x DVD-R
MIJ + 50 pcs That's Cakebox
MIJ + 30 pcs That's Cakebox

TDK (US)
8x DVD-R
MIJ + That's Cakebox

8x DVD+R
MIJ + That's or Standard Cakebox

TDK (Europe)
8x DVD+R
Jewel Case (can also be MBIPG101 R04, CMC MAG E01, or TDK 002)

8x DVD-R
5 pcs Jewel Case (can also be TTH01)

16x DVD+R
25 pcs That's Cakebox + White Octagonal Spacer under a White Round Spacer with clear shrinkwrap
50 pcs That's Cakebox + Light-Blue Round Spacer with clear shrinkwrap

48x CD-R
That's 50 pcs Metallic Cakebox with printed shrinkwrap

That's (Japan)
That's is Taiyo Yuden's own brand, available in Japan (distributed by START Lab), Korea (distributed by Fusion) and Greece (distributed by Disc Impex).

Victor (Japan)
8x DVD-R
MIJ + 50 pcs That's cakebox
MIJ + 5 pcs Color Mix slim cases/shrinkwrap

Verbatim (Europe)
4x DVD+R
MIJ + 5 pcs Pastel Disc Shrinkwrap

4x DVD-R
MIJ + 5 pcs Pastel Disc Shrinkwrap

8x DVD+R
MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap
MIJ + 5 pcs Pastel Disc Shrinkwrap

8x DVD-R
MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap
MIJ + 5 pcs Pastel Disc Shrinkwrap

16x DVD+R
MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap
MIJ + That's 50 pcs Cakebox with printed shrinkwrap

16x DVD-R
MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap
MIJ + That's 50 pcs Cakebox with printed shrinkwrap

40x/48x/52x CD-R
MIJ + That's 50 or 100 pcs Pastel Disc Cakebox with printed shrinkwrap
MIJ + That's 50 pcs Extra Protection Cakebox with printed shrinkwrap (rare)
MIJ + 10/20 pcs slim cases in shrinkwrap (Pastel Disc)
MIJ + 10 pcs "Live it!" Music CD-R in jewel cases

(Note: If you're looking for more brands in Japan selling TY, you might be better off with other pages like this one specialized on media codes in Japan.)

Media codes
Even if DVD Identifier or another informational program detects your discs as Taiyo Yuden made, they might be fake! You need to check the batch code to be absolutely safe.

TAIYOYUDEN 2x DVD-R (batch code: GBxxxxxx)
TYG01 4x DVD-R (batch code: GDxxxxxx)
TYG02 8x DVD-R (batch code: GGxxxxxx)
TYG03 16x DVD-R (batch code: GHxxxxxx)
TYG11 8x DVD-R DL (batch code: BGxxxxxx)
YUDEN000 T01 4x DVD+R (batch code: TCxxxxxx or TSxxxxxx)
YUDEN000 T02 8x DVD+R (batch code: TGxxxxxx)
YUDEN000 T03 16x DVD+R (batch code: THxxxxxx)

Generally, TY DVD discs have three codes, a four-digit number, a eight-character batch code (which are both located in the outer hub area) and another code in the transparent hub.

Taiyo Yuden CD media has a frosted hub and two codes, a long one printed right into the hub and a short one in the dye area (usually 80 PGxxxx or 74 PGxxxx).

If the codes in the transparent hub are double printed/overprinted, shorter than normal or do not exist at all, you might have value line media. Value line media does not necessarily have those special hub codes though.

Fakes and other stuff
There are two kinds of "fakes". One type of fake is the cakebox clone, making novice users believe that the product is made by Taiyo Yuden when it, in fact, is not. The other type is borrowing the media code.

Faked discs with borrowed media codes are a double evil because the customer is misled and the drives will write to the disc with a TY strategy instead of the correct, customized strategy.

No faked discs with TY-style hub codes are known, so these codes are safe to check with. Genuine TY media smells like peaches, because they're made in Fukushima, Japan, which is known as the "Fruit Kingdom"!

Cakebox clones
BestMedia/Platinum, 25/50 cakeboxes (Germany): All of them are TY cakebox clones with clear shrinkwrap, but mostly CMC and Ritek. Aldi South media also comes in TY cakebox clones.
Maxell 16x DVD-R, 50 cakeboxes (Canada): TY cakebox clones, with "Maxell" engraved on the top, but PRODISCF02.

Fake media code
Many companies have been abusing Taiyo Yuden's media codes, especially TYG02 and YUDEN000 T02 codes, to "improve compatibility" of their products. However, most of the fakes are of extremely low burn quality and suffer from fast degradation. Many fakes are made by Hong Kong-based Infosmart.

Taiyo Yuden manufactures media in Japan only, so any media from Taiwan, Hong Kong or Macau with a Taiyo Yuden media code is most likely to be fake. Media codes are not licensed by Taiyo Yuden in any way. Generally, Hong Kong made media often is of very questionable quality and should be avoided if possible.
The full list of brands and disc types can be found here: Brands and disc types that are fake Taiyo Yudens.

An excerpt of the fake and suspicious TY-selling brands list:

1media 8x DVD+R
1media 8x DVD-R
AV LABS 8x DVD-R
AVB 8x DVD-R
Azul 8x DVD+R
Budget 8x DVD+R
Budget 8x DVD-R
Bulkpaq 8x DVD-R
Clas Ohlson 8x DVD+R
DATAON 8x DVD-R
Datawrite RED 8x DVD-R
Define 8x DVD-R
DGM (Digi Media) 8x DVD-R
DOTCOM 8x DVD-R
Dupsonic 8x DVD-R
Egital DVD-R?
Euro Top 8x DVD-R
Fortis 8x DVD-R
Gigastorage DVD-R
Gigatain 8x DVD+R (also known for fake MCC and Ritek)
Gigatain 8x DVD-R (also known for fake MCC and Ritek)
GQ "Great Quality" 8X DVD-R
GreatAZO 8x DVD-R
Hawk 4x DVD-R
HQ AZO 8x DVD-R
Hyundai 8x DVD+R
Hyundai 8x DVD-R
Imjet 8x DVD-R
Infosmart 8x DVD-R (at least the printable version)
Intenso 8x DVD+R
Kapi 8x DVD-R
Kodak 8x DVD+R
Laser 8x DVD+R
Laser 8x DVD-R
Legacy 8x DVD-R?
MAM-E 8x DVD+R
Masterbit 8x/16x DVD+R?
Matrix 8x DVD-R
Medstor DVD-R?
Mercury 8x DVD-R?
Mirror 8x DVD+R
Mirror 8x DVD-R
Moviestyle 8x DVD-R
Müller 8x DVD-R
O1NE Movie Style Yellow 8x DVD-R
Office Depot 8x DVD-R
Prodye TITANIUM 8x DVD-R
Red Budget 8x DVD+R
Sky 8x DVD+R
Sky 8x DVD-R
Sonic 8x DVD-R
Sundisk 8x DVD-R
UL TRAN 8x DVD-R
UNITAX 8x DVD-R
Vanguard 8x DVD-R
Windata 8x DVD+R
XLIFE 8x DVD+R

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Last edited by DrageMester; 20-12-2006 at 18:05. Reason: Update to 1.03 at poster's request

I certainly enjoyed that - great info there...maybe Franck or one of the other Blank Media Mods could make it a Sticky?

Just to add the verbatim pastel X8 are also ty mij here in the uk

I now its almost impossible, and too much work, but some pictures, on TY brands packs, would be perfect

Great work

I will post it, on Portuguese fóruns, to "kick" some Princo( ) users


Mordorr

"8x +R = MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap, or MIJ + Pastel Disc Shrinkwrap"

Thanks, but I already had that in my list.

Nice job!

Damn! I really needed that edit button, because I forget the media code TAIYOYUDEN 2x DVD-R (batch code: unknown).

I don't think you're gonna get an Edit button...best thing you can do is ask one of the Blank Media Mods to edit for you.

Excellent work, kg_evilboy!
I'd like to add my vote for making this a sticky thread.

I'd also like to add the following based on personal experience:

Verbatim (Europe)
8x -R = MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap, or MIJ + Pastel Disc Shrinkwrap

16x -R = MIJ + Gray Bottom 25 pcs Cakebox with clear shrinkwrap

Excellent job!!


Send them a PM with the whole post (not just the edited ones) so they can easily copy and paste to the first post.

I would also suggest you give a release date in addition to the version number. Perhaps a sample of TY/That's cakebox picture would be nice.

Great job on putting this FAQ together, I know I will reference it often.

Brilliant job kg_evilboy!

In the fake cakebox section you mention Aldi South. Is this the actual brand of the media?

I too have bought media from Aldi under the TEVION brand (8X +R, CMC MAG E01) with a very crappy That's cakebox clone.

The plastic was so mal-formed I had to cut down the side with a craft knife to get the discs out (which are of very poor quality BTW!).

Again, thankyou for taking the time to put this together.

An edit buton would be great, it's hell trying to browse the TY fakes thread for new info. Editing the original post post would be much more effective.

Yes, those are Tevion brand (sold by Aldi South). If you look at aldi.com you'll see that there are two separate companies with the same name.

The clones are made by BestMedia/Platinum, a German company which is well-known for selling all kinds of B-, C- and Z-grade media. I would even rate Memorex or imation higher.

@ kg_evilboy,
Thanks for the FAQ, now I know what I'm looking for. Can you clarify a couple of things?
When you say cakebox, do you mean the old fashioned cardboard protective containers that are generally wrapped around a shrinkwrapped stack of discs?

I assume that the others mentioned (e.g. Sony US 8x-R = MIJ + White Octagonal Spacer) are in plastic spindles.

If these are correct, could you clarify with "cardboard cakebox" or "plastic spindle", etc. for us understanding impaired folks (please note my sig )

Cakebox = plastic spindle, as I understand it

Hehe, when I first heard the word "cake" (as in "cake box of discs"), I was like, "whaaaaaaat?!". It sounded so funny

If you'd like kg_evilboy you can add something to that list regarding the fake cakebox. Well actually i've one of these fake cakeboxes. And the most important point for me is the size here. You can see that the real one is higher than the fake one on this picture very well. Both are 25pcs spindles.

The 25 pcs TY cakebox apparently is actually a 30 pcs cakebox with a bigger spacer.

Anyways it's sold under 25pcs or do you've seen 30 pcs spindles by TY?

Sure.




30 pcs cakeboxes seem to be more popular in Japan, I've also seen 30 pcs imation cakeboxes.

Ritek are made in Japan?

In Japan but not in europe regarding TY media. What i've meant is the size difference between these two cakes, for now it doesn't matter if they're 25 or 30 discs in the spindle. I'd like to say that you can't fill a fake box with 30 discs.
For someone who doesn't care what's on the label and newbies, it's interesting to see for example the platinum and to say wow that must be Taiyo Yuden, but it's sadly not. With other words TY uses bigger cakes.

Good work, kg_evilboy.

There's just a few things I'd like to bring to your attention.

I am quite sure that Maxell still makes their own CD-Rs in Japan. So it's possible that a MIJ CD-R could be Maxell, but even the majority of Maxell branded CD-Rs are Taiyo Yuden.

Second, Ritek certainly does not make media in Japan, although there have been some labelling issues with Maxell branded Ritek. You're also missing one major Japanese manufacturer: Sony!! As well, I can think of one small Japanese manufacturer: Unifino.

Cheers.

There are other Japanese manufacturers like Kitano too, but they are really rare... ^^"

Now the majority of Maxell branded CD-Rs in Europe is Ritek, and I have not seen Maxell branded MIJ CD-Rs yet. Americans do have much better access to TY media than Europeans have.

The first time I saw the Platinum and Aldi fakes I thought that there must be something fishy, because those were known as budget brands and would not use TY, and Platinum would surely not suddenly from one day to another switch their entire product palette to TY.
However, I think this might have a negative influence on people buying TY media, because most n00bs will see Platinum or Tevion faked cakeboxes much more often than they'll see real TY. They will think that everything TY in a That's cakebox is just as crappy as the cheapo media is, at least TY still has that printed shrinkwrap as a difference (which is cloned by memorex though)
I wonder why TY can't take legal action, because they have "Patent Pending" written on the bases of their cakeboxes.

Thanks for all the suggestions.

I should clarify that I was talking about MIJ Maxell only!! Yes, most Maxell CD-Rs are Ritek.

And it comes better and better, the newest platinum branded TY( ), uses a perfect shrinkwrap too, i guess soon comes the Made in Japan label on it.