Taiyo Yuden DVD+-R selling as Taiyo Yuden?

inde[GER] · 23-08-2007

Hi,
I really need some new blank DVDs. I was using the TYG03 DVD+R 16x from Plextor, but I can't find them any longer. The shop where I ordered them is now offering Taiyo Yuden as its own brand however: http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Taiyo-Yuden.html
Are the TY02/03 8x/16x DVD+R there fake or is it just me not recognizing this media code? Should I stick with the DVD-R (TYG 03) or the printable DVD+R (YUDEN000 T03) or is this bogus all together?

I'm assuming the Taiyo CD-R have a nice quality as well, haven't they? Should I stick to 8x media, if I mostly burn 8x or can I take 16x? My burner is 16x but I mostly burn data that is on another comp via LAN, which is the actual limit here. The additional cost for 16x media doesn't really bother me however.

If you have another store where I can get Taiyos please point me there. I'm located in Germany, but I didn't have problems the last time I ordered from the UK-based shop I posted, so....

Thanks for your help.
inde

*DrageMester* · 23-08-2007

Hi inde, welcome to CDFreaks"

Quote:

Originally Posted by inde[GER]

I was using the TYG03 DVD+R 16x from Plextor, but I can't find them any longer.

Were you using 16x DVD-R (TYG03) media or 16x DVD+R (YUDEN000 T03) media from Plextor?

Quote:

The shop where I ordered them is now offering Taiyo Yuden as its own brand however: http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Taiyo-Yuden.html
Are the TY02/03 8x/16x DVD+R there fake or is it just me not recognizing this media code? Should I stick with the DVD-R (TYG 03) or the printable DVD+R (YUDEN000 T03) or is this bogus all together?

I've seen no reports of these not being genuine. I haven't tried them myself, however.

Quote:

I'm assuming the Taiyo CD-R have a nice quality as well, haven't they?

Taiyo Yuden make some of the best CD-Rs you can get.

Quote:

Should I stick to 8x media, if I mostly burn 8x or can I take 16x? My burner is 16x but I mostly burn data that is on another comp via LAN, which is the actual limit here. The additional cost for 16x media doesn't really bother me however.

It depends. If you never burn at 16/18/20x, the 8x DVD+R (YUDEN000 T02) will usually be better than the 16x DVD+R (YUDEN000 T03) media; it's certainly more widely supported in older burners.

For DVD-R it's not as clear - on some drives 8x DVD-R (TYG02) will be better than 16x DVD-R (TYG03) and on other drives it will be the opposite. Both are usually good.

[QUOTEIf you have another store where I can get Taiyos please point me there. I'm located in Germany, but I didn't have problems the last time I ordered from the UK-based shop I posted, so....[/QUOTE] I use SVP in the UK and would recommend them. They have "unbranded" Taiyo Yuden as well as Verbatim, Panasonic, Datasafe and Mediastar branded Taiyo Yuden media.

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inde[GER] · 24-08-2007

Hi,
thanks for replying.
I was actually using both TYG03 and YUDEN000 T03 from Plextor before.

Anything on the TY03 media code? Ever heard of this one?
Checking out svp now

*DrageMester* · 24-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by inde[GER]

Anything on the TY03 media code? Ever heard of this one?

I've heard of it countless times on this forum, but it's not an actual media code - it's a name used by people too lazy to write "YUDEN000 T03 or TYG03".

statixx · 10-09-2007

Hi - I got a question and want to use this thread.

I've ordered:
DVD-R 4,7 GB - 8x Speed
Prof. Quality Taiyo Yuden White Fullprintable (DATAS022)

I received:
Media with the code: GG000239
"Duplication Grade" says the receipt which came with the package.
The media look optically quite cheap, they are also not 100% clean
(got some little spots in the outer region).

Do I have original TY blanks or fakes?
Can't access to my DVD drive yet but need the info very quick - maybe I send the stuff back.

@inde[GER]: I bought it from a German shop named matrixx-media!

**mciahel** · 10-09-2007

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by statixx

I received:
Media with the code: GG000239

Looks genuine for me.

Quote:

Do I have original TY blanks or fakes?

Have you already checked these two Read First articles:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=112854 (Fake TY)
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=178622 (TY FAQ)

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*DrageMester* · 10-09-2007

@statixx: You have genuine Taiyo Yuden media, but they are probably not of the highest quality.

The GG000239 code shows that they are genuine (there are no known instances of these batch/lot numbers being faked so far).

The "duplication grade" and small spots are indicators that this is probably not high grade Taiyo Yuden media but rather a "value" (discount) grade Taiyo Yuden media.

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*CJ2* · 10-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by statixx

I've ordered: (DATAS022)

This indicates Datasafe

Not as safe as genuine TY but may not be too bad either. As you notice yourself it isn't first class stuff

As far as i saw it only real TY and Mediastar is wrapped in 100's - Datasafe use the TY (look-a-like) box

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**Arachne** · 10-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJ2

This indicates Datasafe

Not as safe as genuine TY but may not be too bad either. As you notice yourself it isn't first class stuff

Hehe, you got there before me! Agreed

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*Wizzu* · 10-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJ2

This indicates Datasafe

Not as safe as genuine TY

It IS genuine TY.
I guess what you meant was "not as safe as premium TY sold as Plextor, Panasonic or unbranded from a good TY distributor".

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**Arachne** · 10-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francksoy

I guess what you meant was "not as safe as premium TY sold as Plextor, Panasonic or unbranded from a good TY distributor".

That's how I read it.

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*Wizzu* · 10-09-2007

BTW, Datasafe has a "pro" line which is, according to Dakhaas, just as reliable as other known "good" sources of TY.

Like these.

Never tried them personally tough, so I can't vouch for them. And they're just as expensive as the other known good stuff.

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statixx · 10-09-2007

Wow - I'm really happy to see soo many replys in such a short time!

@ mciahel: Thanks for the links

@ DrageMester: That's what I hoped - TY yes, but it seems to be what were sorted out because it is def. not high quality.

@ CJ2: "DATAS022" is their article number - see attachment

I will post more as soon as I got access to a DVD drive.
Thanks!

PS: There were no paper (text) sheet on top of the stack, so no info where the stuff were produced.

PPS: GK641Y10810966 is the serial number of one disc
and on the backside is the code: GG000239 as I already mentioned

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statixx · 10-09-2007

Quote:

I will post more as soon as I got access to a DVD drive.

Here is the KProbe info:
Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
Media ID: TYG02

*CJ2* · 10-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francksoy

It IS genuine TY.
I guess what you meant was "not as safe as premium TY sold as Plextor, Panasonic or unbranded from a good TY distributor".

Yep, my bad

They are a little cheap for best grade TY discs (40€). There are Datasafe TY printables out there. Pro grade Datasafe as mentioned are very good and expensive and value (Datasafe) has their problems according to a few svp costumers http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=2352 but are somewhat cheaper than those in the Matrixx shop

Quote:

Here is the KProbe info: Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden Company Limited Media ID: TYG02

Were they in a box? Also the paper sleeve has always been in top when i got TY's own discs. Like these http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=164&prepg=3

Could be that the shop is pretending Datasafe is TY http://www.matrixx-media.com/catalog...bda1b9985dde75

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statixx · 11-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by CJ2

Were they in a box?

Yes - in a box, NO paper sleeve on top. The attached image above is not correct.

Now I know a bit more: All the cheap TY articles got an article number starting with "DATAS".

The only 'expensive' articles (see below) are the ones with the article number TYXXX - what a surprise

:
(they all come in shrinkfoil - not in a case)
http://www.matrixx-media.com/catalog...ck-p-1690.html
http://www.matrixx-media.com/catalog...eck-p-737.html
http://www.matrixx-media.com/catalog...ck-p-1400.html

That means to me those are the real quality ones and everything else is TY branded, but not top quality.

*Wizzu* · 11-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by statixx

That means to me those are the real quality ones

Correct

Quote:

and everything else is TY branded, but not top quality.

Sorry to be anal about these brand vs. manufacturer thing (I know I can be annoying with it

), but I've always thought that the differenciation is important to get the big picture. TY is a manufacturer, not a brand. There is no such thing as a TY-branded disc.
TY does have its own brand, sure, it's "That's" and it is sold mainly in Japan.

For the rest of the world, we can find TY discs under several brands (Plextor, Panasonic, Fuji, TDK, Verbatim, Datasafe....*), or as unbranded discs, "premium" (regular) or "valueline" (classed as B-grade by TY for whatever reason, but mostly good nevertheless). Depending on the local markets these unbranded discs may have, or not, an identifying paper label at the top of the spindle with the TY logo.

Most online shops very much like to keep the confusion between brand and manufacturer, in the case of Ritek it's even worse than with TY.

- just like they like to keep the confusion around what is a mediacode, which many shops incorrectly refer to as "the dye", when in actuality it's the model of the disc...!

And that was my whining of the day.

*These brands, except Plextor and Panasonic, can sell varying MIDs and not necessarily TY. In the case of Fuji and TDK, for example, I think they both entirely stopped to use TY. Not 100% sure about that though.

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*TL0* · 11-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francksoy

*These brands, except Plextor and Panasonic, can sell varying MIDs and not necessarily TY. In the case of Fuji and TDK, for example, I think they both entirely stopped to use TY. Not 100% sure about that though.

Panasonic can also be non-TY media. Plextor has probably stopped selling optical media also (this maybe incorrect but it is difficult to find now).

*Wizzu* · 11-09-2007

I haven't checked lately, what does Panasonic sell outside TY these days? Is it reliable stuff, or are they taking the Memorex/TDK route ?

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**mciahel** · 11-09-2007

Hi,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francksoy

I haven't checked lately, what does Panasonic sell outside TY these days?

according to svp.co.uk, the newer Panasonics are:
TTH02 (http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=2750&prepg=2) or
RICOHJPNR03 (http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=2751&prepg=2)

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*Kevatcrewe* · 11-09-2007

I think I read they're MBI-made aswell

*Wizzu* · 11-09-2007

@mciahel: thanks

I so could have checked at SVP myself...was lazy yesterday

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*CJ2* · 11-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevatcrewe

I think I read they're MBI-made aswell

Correct for the RICOHJPNR03. Still good discs though. I used quite a few without any problems.

For those with room enough (actually i'm stocking drives these days so i'm told to stop buying them

) there's a good deal at svp including a LiteOn DH-20A3P and 200 of the Pana/Ricoh discs http://svp.co.uk/products-solo.php?pid=3097

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joseph5 · 11-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francksoy

*These brands, except Plextor and Panasonic, can sell varying MIDs and not necessarily TY. In the case of Fuji and TDK, for example, I think they both entirely stopped to use TY. Not 100% sure about that though.

Fuji still sells many Made in Japan CD-R in Canada.
In which category would these discs fall into?
http://www.supermediastore.com/taiyo...-cake-box.html

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*TL0* · 12-09-2007

Made in Japan CD-R is 99% probably TY.

Taiyo Yuden DVD+-R selling as Taiyo Yuden?

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