Sticky paper labels on DVD+/-R discs: beware!

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View Poll Results: What's you experience with paper labels?

I use or have used paper labels on my DVDR discs and I have (had) no problems	84	26.67%
I use or have used paper labels on my DVDR discs and I experience(d) problems	12	3.81%
I stopped using paper labels on my DVDR discs because I experienced problems	71	22.54%
I have never used paper labels on my DVDR discs	148	46.98%

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jtardiou (CD Freaks Member): Posts: 130; Posted: 23-03-2006

I wasted about 150 DVD's because of labels. Please don't use labels - It will ruin your DVDs.

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Wizzu (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 6,556; Posted: 24-03-2006

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Originally Posted by JayC30

Also unlike DVDs, CDs have the dye, in general, directly below the printed name on the disc, and so in effect you are putting the label onto the dye layer, and peeling may damage the dye and label can lift off. Apparently there is also something about the chemicals from the glue used on the sticky labels leaching into the dye layer. The dye layer on a DVD is sandwhiched between two plastic discs which are bonded together, thus the label does not come into contact with the dye.

Er... you make it sound like if it was more OK to put labels on DVDRs than on CDRs...

- though it's the other way round!

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CDs have the dye, in general, directly below the printed name on the disc, and so in effect you are putting the label onto the dye layer

This is not 100% correct. It's the metallic reflective layer that is just under the label (if any).

CDR:

----label or top layer (if any) ---
~~~~~reflective layer~~~~~~
++++recording area (dye)+++++
======polycarbonate========

DVDR (single layer):

----label or top layer (if any) ---
======polycarbonate========
~~~~~reflective layer~~~~~~
++++recording area (dye)+++++
======polycarbonate========

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CJ2 (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 957; Posted: 25-03-2006

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Originally Posted by JayC30

What is the scan like for the unreadable one at 1x?

41.8x speed!! Wonder how that happened.

It took more than an hour to get this long in the scan. Don't think it would ever finish so i stopped it. Had to switch to LiteOn to get more from the scan and at 1x

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CJ2 (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 957; Posted: 25-03-2006

Hmmm - Just from a random test i found some better discs (not sure if they are HP & Mr Platinum branded) with good ole ricoh id. Even if they are older than the crap discs i posted earlier here they seem in pretty good condition despite the full cd label.

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gregtherotterius (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,781; Posted: 25-04-2006

ROFL, well i was just checking up on some of my stick label discs, 5 of them are DL discs, double wammy ey? Well when scanning the disc at 4x on my Sony DRX-800UL, and nero cd/dvd speed just hangs at the 3900mb mark LOL. Ok, the disc was CMC DL media, BUT i always get around 90% QS scores and the worst ive got so far is 84%.

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Dee (Senior Administrator and Reviewer): Posts: 10,323; Posted: 25-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Francksoy

Also, if you found a reliable, safe source for sticky labels (plastic, special paper..), and you have some scans to back this up, don't hesitate..

I would submit scans from those discs i had sticky labels on, if i had a drive that could now read them.

Sticky labels on discs IMO = bad bad bad bad

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Wizzu (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 6,556; Posted: 25-04-2006

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Originally Posted by Dee-27

I would submit scans from those discs i had sticky labels on, if i had a drive that could now read them.

*LOL*

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Sticky labels on discs IMO = bad bad bad bad

Agreed,

but I remember having read about special plastic labels that didn't induce any of the problems we experience with paper labels. So I'm still interested..

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Dee (Senior Administrator and Reviewer): Posts: 10,323; Posted: 25-04-2006

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but I remember having read about special plastic labels that didn't induce any of the problems we experience with paper labels. So I'm still interested..

Those sound interesting.

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Wizzu (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 6,556; Posted: 25-04-2006

I think these are the ones, but I'm not 100% sure..

http://www.americal.com/pd/313792.html
http://www.cd-dvd-supplies.com/cgi-b....5669938_26882

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gregtherotterius (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,781; Posted: 25-04-2006

I think its safe to say, with the labels i had been using that they are alot safer on SL media than DL media. see scan: Oh and before you guys start shouting omg, 'prOn'!!, its not, its a backup of the spanish film 'sex and lucia'

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Wizzu (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 6,556; Posted: 26-04-2006

[OT]

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Originally Posted by gregtherotterius

its a backup of the spanish film 'sex and lucia'

Ah, that Almodovar crap?
(just kidding

great flick!)
[/OT]

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gregtherotterius (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,781; Posted: 26-04-2006

[OT] its mildly entertaining, ive seen worse lol[/OT]

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ripit (CD Freaks Elite): Posts: 5,907; Posted: 28-04-2006

I have never had a problem with cd (though it has been ages since I burned but the rare occational cd). I never tried paper labels on dvd because of the rotational speed. Back before 16x media became common, it was said by a few that 16x was the maximum speed because spinning the average polycarbonite disk faster could cause the disk to loose structural integrety, and at that rotational speed, we all know that would be bad. Some of you might have seen a bit fly apart on a dremel, and if you have ever been cut by a metal bit that lost integraty, you know it can be nasty. Of course a dremel turns a bit faster. I went looking for the rotational speed of a dvd (couldn't remember it) and ran across this pretty quick.
http://www.hitachi.com/New/cnews/040422.html
Looking a bit further, it seems that the rotational speed may be 9200 rpm. Thats fast enough to scare me (keep in mind the small size of a dremel compared to a dvd). With larger tools they become substantially more dangerious, even at speeds slower than that. I really cannot see a paper label holding up to that kind of rpm. Thats why I have never tried it.

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seelk (New on Forum): Posts: 25; Posted: 21-05-2006

Are these labels safe as they guarantee?

Memorex 20-Pack Matte DVD Labels

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SantaKlaus (CD Freaks Senior Member): Posts: 268; Posted: 22-05-2006

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Are these labels safe as they guarantee?

Memorex 20-Pack Matte DVD Labels

"Polyester film material is designed to withstand high temperature output from DVD players"
So it's not paper, maybe it can make a real difference as according to Memorex themselves, it's paper that is the problem...
Though... I usually don't believe marketing claims.

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_chef_ (MyCE Resident): Posts: 27,390; Posted: 22-05-2006

The topic title has it's purpose, without doubt.

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cnolson100 (New on Forum): Posts: 2; Posted: 23-05-2006

While DVD labels do look nice, all of my labeled DVD backups do not work at all. I strongly encourage people not to use paper labels as mentioned above. I did however peel off one of my labels with a hair dryer and a lot of patience, and tried it in my DVD player and it worked better than it did before, but not flawlessly since I think the removal process gummed the DVD up a bit. Specifically I used the cheap Memorex 3-in-one label kit that claims that it will work for CD/DVD, but obviously it doesn't. I recently saw in a Best Buy that Memorex has labels "guaranteed" to work for DVD's. Why then would they sell you CD/DVD labels for cheap if they are not guaranteed? I guess anything for a buck.

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neo1918 (CD Freaks Senior Member): Posts: 259; Posted: 19-06-2006

I applied hundreds of Avery labels to Verbatim CD-R discs back in the day and none of the discs became unreadble. (A couple of my unlabeled CMC discs went bad, though.)

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SantaKlaus (CD Freaks Senior Member): Posts: 268; Posted: 19-06-2006

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I applied hundreds of Avery labels to Verbatim CD-R discs back in the day and none of the discs became unreadble. (A couple of my unlabeled CMC discs went bad, though.)

I think this thread is primarily to warn about sticky lables on DVDRs, not on CDRs..

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Arachne (Senior Moderator & Reviewer): Posts: 28,633; Posted: 19-06-2006

Santa is right

...however, my bad experiences with labels on CDRs led me never to put a single label on any of my DVDRs

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DrageMester (Retired Moderator): Posts: 17,012; Posted: 19-06-2006

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my bad experiences with labels on CDRs led me never to put a single label on any of my DVDRs

Exactly the same for me!

After reburning close to 50 CDs that had paper labels on them and were very difficult to read, I learned my lesson and have not tried recreating the experience with DVDs!

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Borgy (New Member): Posts: 17; Posted: 06-07-2006

Sir,
A label with a specially treated surface has been patented. This allows the label to be written on with permanent markers or ball point pens, and eradicated up to 1000 times by the simple use of an ordinary eraser. Does not harm the media and is a clever answer in my opinion.
Borgy

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DrageMester (Retired Moderator): Posts: 17,012; Posted: 06-07-2006

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Originally Posted by Borgy

A label with a specially treated surface has been patented. This allows the label to be written on with permanent markers or ball point pens, and eradicated up to 1000 times by the simple use of an ordinary eraser. Does not harm the media and is a clever answer in my opinion.

Do you have any links to more information about this?

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martnus (New on Forum): Posts: 4; Posted: 16-07-2006

Okay, I am very new to this forum and to finding out why my DVD's don't always play.
I have used and still use Paper labels on my CD's and DVD's. Now I am seeing that the general consensus is that they are bad for the disks. Is there an alternative?? I guess I am "anal" when it comes to labeling my DVD's, I like to have colorful labels that remind me what the movie is about. I have tried TDK's "PrintOn" DVD+R's only to have 99% of them fail as a result to what TDK claims is "A bad run of DVD's".
So, here is where I am stuck.....if using labels is bad and PrintOn DVD's are no good, then how can I continue to make nice looking disks??
Someone....HELP??

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Arachne (Senior Moderator & Reviewer): Posts: 28,633; Posted: 16-07-2006

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Verbatim Printable discs and a printer capable of printing on discs (Epson and Canon both make them).

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