Scans of aging and older CD media

J7N · 12-05-2007

My oldest disc, Verbatim 40x printable (Mitsubishi, type 3)
(professional looking cover art with DataLife Plus moniker)

Burner: Samsung SW-248B
Speed: 4x
Date: 2002 (ignore the date on screenshot)

Disc is in good shape without visible defects, clean, kept as archival medium in a closet.

Disc type: CD-R
Manufacturer: Verbatim
MID 97m34s23f
Write speeds: 8 X - 16 X - 24 X - 32 X
Capacity: 79:59.74
703 MB

0000 - C0 00 98 00 61 22 17 00 4F 3B 4A 00 00 00 80 00 - ....a"..O;J.....
0010 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 - ........

MedO · 24-08-2007

Here are a few scans of the oldest CDs I could find. None of them were burned by me, and some scan better than any CD I ever burned with the very Lite-On SOHR-5238S I did the scanning with.

They were all burned in 1995-1997, except for the last one, which was burned in Jan 1999.

Also, in some scans there is an error at the end. Ignore that, it's just because the CD wasn't closed, and for some reason KProbe tried to read areas that weren't written to.

Also, I believe this is my first post, so a big Hello to you all!

Edit: just noticed that the way to ensure the images are in-order seems to be to post multiple times. So I'm splitting this one.

The following two CDs were burned in 1995:

MedO · 24-08-2007

Here is the sacond part, CDs burned in 1997. The Taiyo Yuden CD in there was labelled Quake 2 and has thus probably seen a few network parties. Still looks finer than most stuff I burn today though.

MedO · 24-08-2007

Now finally the last CD, burned in Jan 1999, and with far lower error levels than I ever got with the burners I use today (though I admit I didn't look for best quality when I bought them...)

*MegaDETH* · 24-08-2007

MedO, welcome to CDFreaks! (even though you have been a member for almost a year

You should be able to scan at 52x, this will give results you can compare to others.

MedO · 24-08-2007

Well, I think I originally registered so I could search.

I think I can't run scans at 52x with this drive anymore. I don't know why exactly, but at that speed the drive starts churning out errors toward the end of the disc even though the media scans fine on slower speeds. Also, sometimes (at least with CD-Speed, didn't try with KProbe2) the drive refuses to scan with the set speed and instead reads slower, sometimes down to 8x or similar.

*tropic* · 24-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by MedO

just noticed that the way to ensure the images are in-order seems to be to post multiple times.

Or you can attach them one at a time--they'll display in the order of first uploaded to last.

*molnart* · 24-08-2007

Welcome MedO ! I think this is the 3rd forum where we meet

Quote:

Originally Posted by MedO

Now finally the last CD, burned in Jan 1999, and with far lower error levels than I ever got with the burners I use today (though I admit I didn't look for best quality when I bought them...)

Could you tell what speed was that disc rated for ? (I'd ask for the burner too, but i don't hope you'd recall

)

Quote:

The following two CDs were burned in 1995:

Wow, i didn't even know that there already were CD burners in 1995... But their quality seems to be much better than the current ones

*MegaDETH* · 24-08-2007

That was my point, if it is slowing down then it has a good chance of having errors.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MedO

Well, I think I originally registered so I could search.

I think I can't run scans at 52x with this drive anymore. I don't know why exactly, but at that speed the drive starts churning out errors toward the end of the disc even though the media scans fine on slower speeds. Also, sometimes (at least with CD-Speed, didn't try with KProbe2) the drive refuses to scan with the set speed and instead reads slower, sometimes down to 8x or similar.

MedO · 25-08-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by molnart

Welcome MedO ! I think this is the 3rd forum where we meet

Cool, what's the third one? I don't visit many formus frequently, ha.org is one of very few.

Quote:

Originally Posted by molnart

Could you tell what speed was that disc rated for ? (I'd ask for the burner too, but i don't hope you'd recall

)

As I said, I didn't burn these CDs, but I'm quite sure I know who did. If I'm right and remember the thing correctly, the burner was able to burn at 1x and 2x. It's been a few years.

It says "multispeed" on the disc, don't know if that helps you much. The vendor is boeder, and it's a 650MB-thingie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by molnart

Wow, i didn't even know that there already were CD burners in 1995... But their quality seems to be much better than the current ones

They were quite a bit more expensive too. So were the blanks. I mean, I bought 100 shrink-wrapped Taiyo Yuden CD-Rs a while back for something around 0,30 Eur/blank, back in the day I think it was about 10 times this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MegaDETH

That was my point, if it is slowing down then it has a good chance of having errors.

(I guess you mean the drive and not the CD)
Well, the scans I did at lower speeds were consistent, and I thought you can't well compare the results from two different drives anyway. Here's a sample scan from one of the above CDs, started at 52x. The beginning of that graph is almost the same than above, then errors start massing up and the speed drops to 4x at the obvious point. The drive is probably "just getting old", I wanted to look for a decent DVD burner in the next weeks anyway.

slinko · 25-08-2007

Here's a Memorex CD-R Music from 1999
MID: CMC Magnetics Co
1112229 C1 errors
345 C2

stormie · 25-08-2007

Is this a good TRT scan, how to tell if its good or bad. I've never messed with this before.

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JIG66666 · 25-08-2007

Your TRT is excellent (even Ideal), but LG DVD-RW drives are great readers, so if the disc can be read by your LG with no dips, slowdowns etc. then it still doesn't mean it can be read by any other drive. The best drive for TRT tests is a DVD-Rom or a Combo CD-RW/DVD-Rom drive. Also NEC DVD-RWs are enough picky for TRTs.

JIG66666 · 25-08-2007

Edit: oh, nevermind

QuaiBoy · 26-08-2007

Nice thread, hehe.
Looked through my binder, carried with me all across the country for 15 years. So disc was stored poorly (cold/hot/rained on/frozen) and beaten daily. Oldest looks like an Imation 2x 650/74 with a TY MID. Burned in 95 or 96. Disc is hazed but has fared much better visually than most of the case, no pits and few scratches. Data is the Windows 3.11 to Win95 upgrade, lol. I'm sure some of you will remember how well that worked. Pretty good showing IMO.

QuaiBoy · 26-08-2007

Verbatim (CMC MID), burned May 1998. Data is 95 to 98 "upgrade". ;0
Hazed, pitted and totally scratched. Completely readable though. Same binder/storage as last thread.

QuaiBoy · 26-08-2007

I was going to do an old Kodak until I noticed the edge was bashed in. n/m then. I still have a brick of unburned ones, maybe I'll write them this week and scan them in a decade. ;0

Maxell (Hitachi Maxell MID, white face), burned April 1999 on a Plex 24x SCSI. Scratched and pitted, no haze. Dark blue bottom, durable top. Ultra clean burn until it encounters the nasty scratches. These were expensive discs at the time, but I remember that they used to take back any blank that coastered for ANY reason - it was cool. Reads nice.

*ghetocowboy* · 24-09-2007

The first one is the Maxell Hitachi, originally 4X Made in Japan, Gold Surface

The second one is the TDK, Made in USA, Yes, Made in USA 8X White Matte Surface

*Bob* · 24-09-2007

Seems a media department to me...............but nice gheto. Can we see some burn scans?

*ghetocowboy* · 24-09-2007

These discs were burnt over 8 yrs ago, it was either burnt by the Sony 2X SCSI Caddy burner, yes, CADDY, those were the old days or my 4X Yamaha External SCSI burner 416TX, Tray loading. I dont think these were burnt by HP scsi and plextor scsi burners. The HP scsi was a rebadge but forgot who made it. Cant believe it, I drove all the way to City of Industry to buy all my burners, the store is now known as MWAVE.COM. Yes, in the old days, they were just a warehouse. I also bought a diamond supra 28.8k fax modem from them using rockwell chip, awesome hardware compression, and Matrox Millenium 2mb VRAM Video card, damn that thing costs over $300, the only video card at that moment that is capable of video hardware support (notice the VRAM) at that time. And of course, all my Toshiba CDROM were purchased from MWAVE, from 8X, 12X 16X, 32X, all Made in Japan. And of course all my SCSI burners are made in Japan as well. I also have plextor 8X SCSI CDROM and 12X SCSI toshiba CDROM. There goes my childhood allowances. Normal kids buy candies, I bought computer products. At the age of 14, I brought my 800MB WD hdd to school to show off my Madona Bikini GIF I downloaded from a Local BBS. Yes, that was my first porno picture. Anyway, cant stop telling the old days
Here are the scans

*ghetocowboy* · 24-09-2007

Found another TDK disc, newer 12X TDK, Made in USA
I think this disc was burnt by my Memorex Rebadged Pioneer A03 (103 for OEM version) DVD burner. I believed the burner is 4X DVD burner

**Arachne** · 24-09-2007

Hey Ghetocowboy, nice to see some vintage stuff!

I'm gonna move this to the Blank Media forum, as I think they'll be as interested as me to see these

*_chef_* · 24-09-2007

I can spank out some CD-Rs from 1997, only problem is to find a suitable and reliable scanner device for comparisons.

**Arachne** · 24-09-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

I can spank out some CD-Rs from 1997, only problem is to find a suitable and reliable scanner device for comparisons.

Hope you find a suitable scanner, _chef_, I'd love to see some results

All my ones from '97-'98 are long gone. Kodak Gold IIRC.

*dakhaas* · 24-09-2007

Hmm my old TY's are still fine ! :-) and alive. Might dig up some and post some of them.
Some of them are more then 10 years. !
I can't say the same thing for much of the other media I bought at that time.

24-08-2007	#130
MegaDETH Retired Senior Moderator and Senior Reviewer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Watertown Posts: 4,873	Re: Scans of aging and older CD media MedO, welcome to CDFreaks! (even though you have been a member for almost a year You should be able to scan at 52x, this will give results you can compare to others.

24-08-2007	#131
MedO New on Forum Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 13	Re: Scans of aging and older CD media Well, I think I originally registered so I could search. I think I can't run scans at 52x with this drive anymore. I don't know why exactly, but at that speed the drive starts churning out errors toward the end of the disc even though the media scans fine on slower speeds. Also, sometimes (at least with CD-Speed, didn't try with KProbe2) the drive refuses to scan with the set speed and instead reads slower, sometimes down to 8x or similar.

25-08-2007	#137
stormie New on Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Scans of aging and older CD media Is this a good TRT scan, how to tell if its good or bad. I've never messed with this before. Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. ???

25-08-2007	#138
JIG66666 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Republic of Belarus Posts: 249	Re: Scans of aging and older CD media Your TRT is excellent (even Ideal), but LG DVD-RW drives are great readers, so if the disc can be read by your LG with no dips, slowdowns etc. then it still doesn't mean it can be read by any other drive. The best drive for TRT tests is a DVD-Rom or a Combo CD-RW/DVD-Rom drive. Also NEC DVD-RWs are enough picky for TRTs. __________________ MCC 004, MCC 03RG20, TYG03; PHILIPS 041, PRODISC W02, MKM 01RW6X; (what a pity this forum doesn't have a bigsmiley with a smashed tooth) RICOHJPN R03; TTH02, RITEK F1, MBIPG101 R05 and newschool MBIPG101 R04; MKM A02, RICOHJPN W11; CMC MAG M01, FUJIFILM03; INFODISC A10

25-08-2007	#139
JIG66666 CD Freaks Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Minsk, Republic of Belarus Posts: 249	Re: Scans of aging and older CD media Edit: oh, nevermind __________________ MCC 004, MCC 03RG20, TYG03; PHILIPS 041, PRODISC W02, MKM 01RW6X; (what a pity this forum doesn't have a bigsmiley with a smashed tooth) RICOHJPN R03; TTH02, RITEK F1, MBIPG101 R05 and newschool MBIPG101 R04; MKM A02, RICOHJPN W11; CMC MAG M01, FUJIFILM03; INFODISC A10

24-09-2007	#144
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