Please Help: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R

Supermav · 19-10-2009

This thread is about the Sony AD-7203S Black. Click here to see full specs

Ok, sorry if I come off like a complete idiot, but, I'm a complete newb.

I know its always best to provide a nero burn failure report (I don't know what its really called), but, I don't have one, so I'll provide as much info as possible.

Once upon a time, I had a LiteOn Drive/Burner (No idea which model).
I was using Nero 6.
I was using 90 minute CD-Rs
I was able to easily overburn about 94 minutes onto a 90 minute CD-R.
The burn would fail at the end, but the CD would still play perfectly.

Now, I have:

AD-7203S Burner.
I'm using Nero 7.
I'm now not able to overburn as much onto 90 minute CD-Rs.
So, I tried SILVER DIGIT 99 minute CD-Rs (Made in Italy).
I'm not even able to fit more than 92 minutes onto the 99 minute CD-Rs.

I have the overburn options set up right in nero 7.

My question is this:

Is it my new Burner, or Nero 7 that is making it so that I can't overburn as much as I used to?
As I said, I cant even fit 93 minutes onto a 99 minute CD-R.
Is there a firmware upgrade that I need for the burner?

Again, I sorely apologize for the lack of info.
I would provide more, but I don't have any more 99 minute CD-Rs with which to get a burn failure report.

Any help would be beyond appreciated.

**Kerry56** · 19-10-2009

This is not entirely a media question, so the mods of this subforum may decide to move your thread elsewhere Supermav...sorry if I mislead you on where to put it. And I am most definitely not the person to advise you on this issue. Good luck though, and I am sure we have some people who can help.

Supermav · 19-10-2009

Thanks Kerry, I'm totally fine with the topic being moved to where it's supposed to be, since it would be seen by the right people there.
If you know where it would be best suited, feel free to move it there.
I'm just worried about solving the problem.
Thanks.

xx521xx · 19-10-2009

In my experience, the Optiarc AD-7200S - same series as your AD-7203S - has its CD length capped at 92:57.74. It won't write any disk beyond that, nor will it read CDs that have been recorded beyond that point. So with that considered, I think it's your drive that is limiting you to around 92 minutes. I'm not aware of any firmware that will let it write beyond that point, but I haven't been keeping up with the development of patched firmware for the drive...

Supermav · 20-10-2009

Wow, thanks for the reply 521!
Then I suppose it must be my drive for sure.

Ok then, next question, does anyone know if either of these drives below are capable of writting a full 99 minute disc? Do they have a cap limit like the Sony one does?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=12429432

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10975614

*DrageMester* · 20-10-2009

Why overburn your CD-Rs to the extent where most drives won't be able to read the discs anyway?

The more you overburn your CD-R media, the fewer drives will be able to read those CDs!

What are you putting on those CDs? There may be better alternatives than what you're currently doing.

Welcome to the forum!

*Womi* · 20-10-2009

As xx521xx said, Optiarcs are capped at 92min.

Stay away from LiteOns. They are able to overburn to 99min, but are horrible CD writers. Not many stand alone players will read their overburned discs.

In my experience, Pioneer drives (to be exact my 112L and 216L) are very picky about >80min CD-Rs. They don't recognize many of them (before burning).

My best 99min writers are the BenQ DW16XX series and my Plextor PX-716A and 760A.

But since those are hard to get nowadays, you might want to look for experience reports on recent Samsung or LG drives - maybe those are good for overburning.

@DrageMester:
Ever single CD player I came along so far had no problems reading 99min CD-Rs to the very end.

Supermav · 21-10-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrageMester

Why overburn your CD-Rs to the extent where most drives won't be able to read the discs anyway?
The more you overburn your CD-R media, the fewer drives will be able to read those CDs!

I dont use them in drives. I use them in CD players & I have never run into one yet that didn't play my overburns.

Quote:

What are you putting on those CDs? There may be better alternatives than what you're currently doing.

Sadly there is no alternative.

With the way I'm doing this specific compilation, it has to be a certain amount of songs on 1 cd.
It worked just fine with my previous burner & I never had a problem. But this new burner, as I'm told above in this thread, has a strict space limit.
But, yeah, it has to be around 96 minutes of wav on a CDr.
Thanks though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Womi

As xx521xx said, Optiarcs are capped at 92min.
Stay away from LiteOns. They are able to overburn to 99min, but are horrible CD writers. Not many stand alone players will read their overburned discs.

Actually, the drive that I had that worked so well at overburning 95 minutes onto 90 minute CDRs that were perfectly playable in every player that I use was a LiteOn. It was probably the best burner I ever owned.

So, I guess the main question I'm asking is:

Does anyone know if the following burners can burn 99 minute CDRs with no problem?
Or do they have that 92 minute cut off limit like the Sony AD-7203S?

http://go.myce.com/?id=49X85&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walmart.com%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct.do%3Fproduct_id%3D12429432

http://go.myce.com/?id=49X85&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.walmart.com%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct.do%3Fproduct_id%3D10975614

Supermav · 22-10-2009

Ok, heres something strange.

I borrowed the above linked External LiteOn from a friend.
It burns normal 80 minute discs just fine.
But, get this, When I try to burn a 90 minute disc, Nero says its burning . Makes it all the way through & even gives you the successful burn notice.
I put the disc in to play it.....It's still blank. And I dont mean it thinks its still blank....it really is still blank!
How can it think its burning but not really be burning?

xx521xx · 23-10-2009

Are you sure you don't have simulation mode enabled in Nero?

Supermav · 23-10-2009

I'm absolutely sure.
This is the weirdest thing Ive ever seen in regards to CD burning.
Any ideas?

*RCM* · 23-10-2009

I had a Samsung CD-RW drive that did that, turns out the burner was dying and only burning certain discs! maybe there is something wrong with the drive you borrowed?

EDIT: I think the writing to 92 minutes only on optiarcs is to prevent damage to the optical assemble from trying to move to where it cant.

Supermav · 23-10-2009

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCM

maybe there is something wrong with the drive you borrowed?

I wouldnt think so. It's only a week or two old.

Quote:

I think the writing to 92 minutes only on optiarcs is to prevent damage to the optical assemble from trying to move to where it cant.

Is LiteOn an optiarc?

*RCM* · 23-10-2009

Not usually, optiarcs are usually sony, but I dont know much about that.

19-10-2009	#2
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,446	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R This is not entirely a media question, so the mods of this subforum may decide to move your thread elsewhere Supermav...sorry if I mislead you on where to put it. And I am most definitely not the person to advise you on this issue. Good luck though, and I am sure we have some people who can help. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

19-10-2009	#3
Supermav New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R Thanks Kerry, I'm totally fine with the topic being moved to where it's supposed to be, since it would be seen by the right people there. If you know where it would be best suited, feel free to move it there. I'm just worried about solving the problem. Thanks.

19-10-2009	#4
xx521xx MyCE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 125	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R In my experience, the Optiarc AD-7200S - same series as your AD-7203S - has its CD length capped at 92:57.74. It won't write any disk beyond that, nor will it read CDs that have been recorded beyond that point. So with that considered, I think it's your drive that is limiting you to around 92 minutes. I'm not aware of any firmware that will let it write beyond that point, but I haven't been keeping up with the development of patched firmware for the drive... __________________ My burners: Lite-On DH20A3P XV6D HT743 Lite-On SOHR-5239V 2$0E Lite-On iHAP322 UL15 Sony CRX120E 1.0j

20-10-2009	#5
Supermav New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R Wow, thanks for the reply 521! Then I suppose it must be my drive for sure. Ok then, next question, does anyone know if either of these drives below are capable of writting a full 99 minute disc? Do they have a cap limit like the Sony one does? http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=12429432 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...ct_id=10975614

20-10-2009	#6
DrageMester Retired Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Honah Lee Posts: 19,904	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R Why overburn your CD-Rs to the extent where most drives won't be able to read the discs anyway? The more you overburn your CD-R media, the fewer drives will be able to read those CDs! What are you putting on those CDs? There may be better alternatives than what you're currently doing. Welcome to the forum! __________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

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20-10-2009	#7
Womi MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 1,161	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R As xx521xx said, Optiarcs are capped at 92min. Stay away from LiteOns. They are able to overburn to 99min, but are horrible CD writers. Not many stand alone players will read their overburned discs. In my experience, Pioneer drives (to be exact my 112L and 216L) are very picky about >80min CD-Rs. They don't recognize many of them (before burning). My best 99min writers are the BenQ DW16XX series and my Plextor PX-716A and 760A. But since those are hard to get nowadays, you might want to look for experience reports on recent Samsung or LG drives - maybe those are good for overburning. @DrageMester: Ever single CD player I came along so far had no problems reading 99min CD-Rs to the very end.

22-10-2009	#9
Supermav New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R Ok, heres something strange. I borrowed the above linked External LiteOn from a friend. It burns normal 80 minute discs just fine. But, get this, When I try to burn a 90 minute disc, Nero says its burning . Makes it all the way through & even gives you the successful burn notice. I put the disc in to play it.....It's still blank. And I dont mean it thinks its still blank....it really is still blank! How can it think its burning but not really be burning?

23-10-2009	#10
xx521xx MyCE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 125	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R Are you sure you don't have simulation mode enabled in Nero? __________________ My burners: Lite-On DH20A3P XV6D HT743 Lite-On SOHR-5239V 2$0E Lite-On iHAP322 UL15 Sony CRX120E 1.0j

23-10-2009	#12
RCM MyCE Resident Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Right...behind...you Posts: 727	Re: Problem overburning to a 99 minute CD-R I had a Samsung CD-RW drive that did that, turns out the burner was dying and only burning certain discs! maybe there is something wrong with the drive you borrowed? EDIT: I think the writing to 92 minutes only on optiarcs is to prevent damage to the optical assemble from trying to move to where it cant. __________________ Plextor PX-870A Liteon iHAP122 9 (BRAND NEW!)

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