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Posted: 02-04-2009

Truman (Optical storage technical expert): Posts: 679

CD-R and CDR-RW identification

As some of you may already know there are some CD programs that can tell you the name of the brand/manufacturer name of an inserted CD-R or CD-RW disc. Well, the name isn't actually recorded on the disc instead the ATIP start of lead-in time is used for that.

ATIP is recorded in the entire spiral of the disc. During the manufacturing of the CD-R disc a pair of physical grooves are created on the side of the recording path and this groove normally encodes a running MSF time, but in the lead-in area it encodes extra info. The software on our computers read out only this extra info.

How the disc identification works

The ATIP info in the lead-in area gives the "start of lead-in time in MSF" and it is said to be unique for each brand/manufacturer and also includes the dye type code.

Brand/manufacturer code:

This is the digits of the minutes, seconds and the first digit of the frame.

Dye type code:

This is the remaining second digit of the frame.

For values 0 to 4 this indicates a long strategy recording type and an example of such dye type is Cyanine type media.

For values 5 to 9 this indicates a short strategy recording type and an example of such dye type is Phthalocyanine type media.

Examples:

Ex 1.

MSF: 97:17.06
Manufacturer: TDK

Manufacturer code: 97:17.0
Dye type code: 6

Ex 2.

MSF: 97:31.01
Manufacturer: Samsung

Manufacturer code: 97:31.0
Dye type code: 1

Building a public list

Perhaps it is a bit late, but I was thinking of building a "public" list to identify manufacturer names.

If you are bored like me and wish to join in please post your CD-R or CD-RW info as follows:

Disc type: x
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: y
Brand/Manufacturer: z

You can you any tool that reports the ATIP start of lead-in MSF, e.g. Nero Info Tool, DVD info pro, etc.

Or, if you prefer to use my public domain command line program

:

Windows binary:

http://www.cdtool.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/read_atip.zip

Ubuntu 8.10 linux binary:

http://www.cdtool.pwp.blueyonder.co....atip_linux.zip

Windows C++ source code:

http://www.cdtool.pwp.blueyonder.co...._v1_source.zip

Linux C source code:

http://www.cdtool.pwp.blueyonder.co....nux_source.zip

My list

Code:

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:17.06
Manufacturer: TDK (Reflex)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:15.05
Manufacturer: TDK (Speed-X)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:24.01
Manufacturer: Plextor

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:31.01
Manufacturer: Samsung

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:26.60
Manufacturer: Samsung

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:15.17
Manufacturer: Samsung

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:15.11
Manufacturer: Samsung

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:34.21
Manufacturer: Yamaha (for DiscT@2)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:32.00
Manufacturer: TDK (Gold plated)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 96:43.37
Manufacturer: Infiniti (99mins)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:26.26
Manufacturer: Infiniti

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:34.20
Manufacturer: Verbatim

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:25.60
Manufacturer: Melody

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:27.31
Manufacturer: Pioneer

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:32.19
Manufacturer: Datasafe

Same lead-in MSF but different manufacturer:

Code:

Disc type: CD-RW
MSF: 97:10.00
Manufacturer: Infiniti

Disc type: CD-RW
MSF: 97:10.00
Manufacturer: TDK (4x)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:26.66
Manufacturer: TDK (Metallic)

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:26.66
Manufacturer: Verbatim (DataLife)

Same lead-in MSF but different media:

Code:

Disc type: CD-R
MSF: 97:34.23
Manufacturer: Verbatim (Crystal)

Disc type: CD-RW
MSF: 97:34.23
Manufacturer: Verbatim (Hi-speed)

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mciahel (Senior Moderator): Posts: 16,648

Hi,

just to clarify: with "manufacturer" you mean the brand these discs are sold under?

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Great idea. I had always wondered why someone had not started something like this back when i first joined CDF's

My CD-R(W) blank collection only consists of a few brands/mgr's so i don't have many to offer. I'll have to see if you have all of mine posted already.

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Truman (Optical storage technical expert): Posts: 679

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Originally Posted by mciahel

Hi,

just to clarify: with "manufacturer" you mean the brand these discs are sold under?

Michael

Ops, yup. I'll amend, and also move this thread to the more appropriate Blank media forum.

@Bob, cool.

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evo69 (MyCE Resident): Posts: 928

I'll join in, although like Bob I don't have a variety of ATIPs to contribute.

OT: Is such a list available for DVDs? Aside from Videohelp's DVD/BD Media database?

EDIT: By the way Truman, I'll be compiling under Mac OS X 10.5.6, are there any caveats on the ATIP "reader" that you posted? I'm gonna try using the Linux source, not the Ubuntu package.

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Ok, I guess I'll be using my Windows virtual machine to do the ATIP reading since I can't compile the read_atip app that was posted.

Code:

read_atip.c:21:73: error: scsi/sg.h: No such file or directory
read_atip.c: In function 'open_dev':
read_atip.c:37: error: 'SG_GET_VERSION_NUM' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:37: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
read_atip.c:37: error: for each function it appears in.)
read_atip.c: At top level:
read_atip.c:47: error: syntax error before '*' token
read_atip.c: In function 'send_scsi_cmd':
read_atip.c:57: error: 'out_sense_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:57: error: 'in_mx_sb_len' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:58: error: 'io_hdr' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:58: error: 'sg_io_hdr_t' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:61: error: 'in_cmd_len' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:64: error: 'in_dxfer_dir' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:65: error: 'in_dxfer_len' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:66: error: 'out_data_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:67: error: 'in_cmd_blk' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:74: error: 'in_sg_fd' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:74: error: 'SG_IO' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c: At top level:
read_atip.c:82: error: syntax error before 'sg_io_hdr_t'
read_atip.c: In function 'test_unit_rdy':
read_atip.c:94: error: 'io_hdr' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:94: error: 'sg_fd' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:94: error: 'SG_DXFER_NONE' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:94: error: 'sense_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c: At top level:
read_atip.c:97: error: syntax error before 'sg_io_hdr_t'
read_atip.c: In function 'read_atip':
read_atip.c:108: error: 'block_size' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:112: error: 'data_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:115: error: 'io_hdr' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:115: error: 'sg_fd' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:115: error: 'SG_DXFER_FROM_DEV' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:115: error: 'sense_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c: At top level:
read_atip.c:169: error: syntax error before '*' token
read_atip.c: In function 'check_ok':
read_atip.c:174: error: 'io_hdr' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:174: error: 'SG_INFO_OK_MASK' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:174: error: 'SG_INFO_OK' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:181: error: 'sense_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c: At top level:
read_atip.c:203: error: syntax error before 'sg_io_hdr_t'
read_atip.c: In function 'vfy_test_unit_ready3':
read_atip.c:217: error: 'sg_fd' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:217: error: 'io_hdr' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:217: error: 'sense_buf' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c: In function 'start':
read_atip.c:302: error: 'sg_io_hdr_t' undeclared (first use in this function)
read_atip.c:302: error: syntax error before 'io_hdr'
read_atip.c:312: error: 'io_hdr' undeclared (first use in this function)

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Posted: 02-04-2009

Truman (Optical storage technical expert): Posts: 679

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Originally Posted by evo69

Ops, I don't have a Mac else I would try to make source for it also. Yep caveat is that linux one uses sg driver which is normally built in 2.4 and higher kernels.

Hmm, good question, perhaps we can do also a DVD one later. Most dvd recordable media have the full name recorded into the lead-in, but I have seen some using abbreviations or short code.

Also, about virtual machines:

Sun's VirtualBox and MS VirtualPC do not allow scsi pass through (raw commands) to be sent. They emulate a few commands like read12 2048 only I think.

VMWare workstation does work - all commands work on it.

I forgot to mention that ATIP command normally only work for burners.

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evo69 (MyCE Resident): Posts: 928

I use VMWare Fusion which has great compatibility with every optical drive application I throw at it, and my scanning platform for CDs/DVDs and occasional ImgBurn-ing.

I'm compiling a short list of what I have now, which may be appended to further when I see some weird ATIPs

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Posted: 02-04-2009

flyblu (MyCE Junior Member): Posts: 67

http://redirectingat.com/?id=49X85&u...ID%3D8448M.pdf

http://www.microstar.ru/products/mul...l/spec/x48.pdf

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evo69 (MyCE Resident): Posts: 928

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Originally Posted by flyblu

http://redirectingat.com/?id=49X85&u...ID%3D8448M.pdf

http://www.microstar.ru/products/mul...l/spec/x48.pdf

Wow, nice find. That's already a long list by itself!

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flyblu (MyCE Junior Member): Posts: 67

this shop help ...
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/80_Min_CD-R_Media.html

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evo69 (MyCE Resident): Posts: 928

Here's what I have as of now:

Code:

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:34.23
Brand/Manufacturer: Sigma 4-12x /Verbatim

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:22.67
Brand/Manufacturer: Verbatim 1-52x / Daxon

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:26.66
Brand/Manufacturer: HP 52x / CMC Magnetics

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:26.66
Brand/Manufacturer: imation Orchid [detected: 52x] / CMC Magnetics

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:26.66
Brand/Manufacturer: imation 1-52x [detected: 32x] (inkjet printable) / CMC Magnetics

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:26.66
Brand/Manufacturer: EMTEC 32x (gold-top) / CMC Magnetics

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:26.66
Brand/Manufacturer: EMTEC 32x [detected: 52x] (silver-top) / CMC Magnetics

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:32.19
Brand/Manufacturer: Smartbuy Black 52x / Prodisc

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:32.19
Brand/Manufacturer: Smartbuy Super Blue 52x / Prodisc

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:24.01
Brand/Manufacturer: Verbatim Pastel 52x / Taiyo Yuden

Disc type: CD-R
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:24.16
Brand/Manufacturer: Sony Supremas 52x / Sony

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:32.10
Brand/Manufacturer: CD-R King 12x / Prodisc

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:27.10
Brand/Manufacturer: Arita 4x (650MB) / Plasmon

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:27.00
Brand/Manufacturer: Arita 4x (650MB) / 97:27.00 (?)

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:10.00
Brand/Manufacturer: Arita 4x (700MB) / 97:10.00 (?)

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:22.60
Brand/Manufacturer: VIA Diamond 4x / Daxon

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:22.60
Brand/Manufacturer: Maxell MQ 12x / Daxon

Disc type: CD-RW
ATIP start of lead-in MSF: 97:34.23
Brand/Manufacturer: Smartbuy 4-10x / Verbatim

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Truman (Optical storage technical expert): Posts: 679

Thanks.

I've been thinking and I know there are already programs that can do this, but I havn't seen a public domain tool yet.

I am thinking to make a GUI or perhaps keep the program as console based but add in the ability to read from a .ini file of atip list. it is just to make things a little more interesting.

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flyblu (MyCE Junior Member): Posts: 67

exact link:
http://www.microstar.ru/program/prod..._recommend.php

i think MSI granted his optical device to write this cd / dvd
look look...

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Posted: 24-04-2009

geno888 (Senior Moderator, Editor and Guru): Posts: 27,962

I'm not sure if these results are written in the right way, but these are results I got from some CDs I bought today for some testings.

To retrieve data I used a Liteon LH-20A1P

TDK CD-R80 Inkjet Printable Disc 700MB 80 Min up to 52x speed made in India

Hub code: 8220-119-L-C-38876

Code:

Drive type is recognised as CDROM/DVD.
Sending SPC1 Test Unit CDB6 command..done.
Returned good status.

Sending SCSI-3 Read TOC/PMA/ATIP with ATIP command.
SPT bytes transferred: 65336

ATIP info..
Disc type                : CD-R
Disc capacity MSF        : 79:59.74
Start time of lead-in MSF: 97:17.06

*Start time of lead-in MSF is used to encode manufacturer ID and disc type.
2nd digit of the frame:
Disc type code: 6
Disc type desc: Short strategy type (example Phthalocyanine type media)

Verbatim CD-R Printable AZO 700MB/80Min 52x made in India

Hub code: 8349-43RI-0115

Code:

Drive type is recognised as CDROM/DVD.
Sending SPC1 Test Unit CDB6 command..done.
Returned good status.

Sending SCSI-3 Read TOC/PMA/ATIP with ATIP command.
SPT bytes transferred: 65336

ATIP info..
Disc type                : CD-R
Disc capacity MSF        : 79:59.73
Start time of lead-in MSF: 97:34.23

*Start time of lead-in MSF is used to encode manufacturer ID and disc type.
2nd digit of the frame:
Disc type code: 7
Disc type desc: Short strategy type (example Phthalocyanine type media)

TDK CD-R Audio 80 Min for CD-R audio recorders made in ?

Hub code: 8281-5B-A-10535-A

Code:

Drive type is recognised as CDROM/DVD.
Sending SPC1 Test Unit CDB6 command..done.
Returned good status.

Sending SCSI-3 Read TOC/PMA/ATIP with ATIP command.
SPT bytes transferred: 65336

ATIP info..
Disc type                : CD-R
Disc capacity MSF        : 79:59.74
Start time of lead-in MSF: 97:17.09

*Start time of lead-in MSF is used to encode manufacturer ID and disc type.
2nd digit of the frame:
Disc type code: 9
Disc type desc: Short strategy type (example Phthalocyanine type media)

Sony CD-R audio 80 min Premium made in Taiwan

Hub code: CA1321K83K172B80

Code:

Drive type is recognised as CDROM/DVD.
Sending SPC1 Test Unit CDB6 command..done.
Returned good status.

Sending SCSI-3 Read TOC/PMA/ATIP with ATIP command.
SPT bytes transferred: 65336

ATIP info..
Disc type                : CD-R
Disc capacity MSF        : 79:59.74
Start time of lead-in MSF: 97:24.11

*Start time of lead-in MSF is used to encode manufacturer ID and disc type.
2nd digit of the frame:
Disc type code: 11
Disc type desc:

TDK CD-R80 700 MB/80 Min up to 52x speed made in ?

Hub code: 8156-163-4-05483

Code:

Drive type is recognised as CDROM/DVD.
Sending SPC1 Test Unit CDB6 command..done.
Returned good status.

Sending SCSI-3 Read TOC/PMA/ATIP with ATIP command.
SPT bytes transferred: 65336

ATIP info..
Disc type                : CD-R
Disc capacity MSF        : 79:59.74
Start time of lead-in MSF: 97:17.06

*Start time of lead-in MSF is used to encode manufacturer ID and disc type.
2nd digit of the frame:
Disc type code: 6
Disc type desc: Short strategy type (example Phthalocyanine type media)

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