Plextor PX-708A 8X write quality and strategy.

*OC-Freak* · 23-09-2003

For this small test I'll use all different types of 8X capable 4X discs and use the create data disc function in CD-Speed. I'll scan the discs with two different Lite-On drives so we could look at the produced results

Plextor PX-708A, F/W 1.01, 4,38Gb.

Arita 4X DVD+R written at 8X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    RICOHJPNR01
Format Capacity                                            4.37GB(4.69GB)
Free Blocks                                                             0
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Data area end sector                                              22F90Fh
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 F9 0F .............%..
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR
00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Notice that it locked up at the end of the write process. Reading the discs do still work.

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Ritek 4X DVD+R written at 8X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    RICOHJPNR01
Format Capacity                                            4.37GB(4.69GB)
Free Blocks                                                             0
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Data area end sector                                              22F90Fh
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 F9 0F .............%..
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR
00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Verbatim Datalifeplus 4X DVD+R written at 8X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    YUDEN000T01
Format Capacity                                                     Blank
Free Blocks                                                     405405696
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Linear Density                                                 Blank Disc
Track Density                                                     Unknown
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 59 55 44 45 4E 30 30 30 54 .......YUDEN000T
00000020 30 31 00 38 23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 9C 63 16 16 01.8#T7..Nr..c..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Verbatim Datalifeplus 4X DVD+R written at 8X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    MCC     002
Format Capacity                                                     Blank
Free Blocks                                                     405405696
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Linear Density                                                 Blank Disc
Track Density                                                     Unknown
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0
00000020 30 32 00 38 23 54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 66 16 16 02.8#T7..Jq..f..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Notice the big quality difference between ritek and arita discs which is identified as the same discs!!
Notice how easy it's to see where the speed shifts is on the quality scans.

Seems like plextor have to improve write quality or that we have to wait for the real 8X discs.

*OC-Freak* · 24-09-2003

For this followup I'll use the exact same discs and drive....but just write at 4X using nero 6.0.0.11.

Plextor PX-708A, F/W 1.01, 4,38Gb.

Arita 4X DVD+R written at 4X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    RICOHJPNR01
Format Capacity                                            4.37GB(4.69GB)
Free Blocks                                                             0
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Data area end sector                                              22F90Fh
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 F9 0F .............%..
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR
00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Ritek 4X DVD+R written at 4X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    RICOHJPNR01
Format Capacity                                            4.37GB(4.69GB)
Free Blocks                                                             0
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Data area starting sector                                          30000h
Data area end sector                                              22F90Fh
Linear Density                                                0.267um/bit
Track Density                                                0.74um/track
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 F9 0F .............%..
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR
00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Verbatim Datalifeplus 4X DVD+R written at 4X:

Code:

Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    YUDEN000T01
Format Capacity                                                     Blank
Free Blocks                                                     405405696
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Linear Density                                                 Blank Disc
Track Density                                                     Unknown
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 59 55 44 45 4E 30 30 30 54 .......YUDEN000T
00000020 30 31 00 38 23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 9C 63 16 16 01.8#T7..Nr..c..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Verbatim Datalifeplus 4X DVD+R written at 4X:

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Media Information                            
Region information                                    N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID                                    MCC     002
Format Capacity                                                     Blank
Free Blocks                                                     405405696
Free Capacity                                              4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type                                                           DVD+R
Media Type                                                          DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed                                         4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  8.0x  11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  4.0x   5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor                           CLV  2.4x   3324KBps
Linear Density                                                 Blank Disc
Track Density                                                     Unknown
Number of Layers                                                        1

Full media code:

Code:

00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0
00000020 30 32 00 38 23 54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 66 16 16 02.8#T7..Jq..f..
00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Notice the big difference between the LTC-48161H and LTD-165H scans.....

Write quality is still not as good as from the Pioneer 106/A06 (memorex dual-x).

*spath* · 26-09-2003

Nice, that's the best proof of what I've been
repeating about C1/C2/PI/PO errors not being
on the disc, and it will hopefully encourage
scan freaks to be more cautious when
comparing plots from different drives.

*OC-Freak* · 26-09-2003

Thanks for your comment spath. Please comment more on posts like this as then I may be able to learn something from a way more technical person than me.

Yes, it seems like Lite-On DVD-writers, DVD-ROMs and Combo drives do all report PI/PO errors different.....and the worst thing is...there is no system on which discs which drives like...it depends on writespeed, writer and disc brand....

This is a huge problem for our new DVD media test forum as different people have different drives and this makes comparing results difficult

*BoSkin* · 26-09-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by spath

to be more cautious when comparing plots from different drives.

" To compare or not to compare ? " - that's the question !

Quote:

Originally posted by OC-Freak

This is a huge problem for our new DVD media test forum as different people have different drives and this makes comparing results difficult

Let's all have the same type of drive and media - this will ease the comparison.

*OC-Freak* · 27-09-2003

So you say that we should limit the dvd media testforum to scans from one drivetype only?

Nope we will not do that.....

*BoSkin* · 27-09-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by OC-Freak
So you say that we should limit the dvd media testforum to scans from one drivetype only?

Nope we will not do that.....

Oh boy, I don't think you quite understood my ironic tone.

Well, you'd rather explain then what exactly you meant in your statment "This is a huge problem for our new DVD media test forum as different people have different drives and this makes comparing results difficult" ?

I mean, what a problem ? People are supposed to have different drives and different media.
Otherwise what's the purpose with being involved in the process of gathering and evaluating all the different data coming from different sources ?
So, aren't the problems you're "facing" what you have been expected ?

x5nder · 29-09-2003

I seem to be running into similar problem. I wanted to do an extensive DVD±R test for which I have two identical computers. One is fitted with the Plextor 708 (and Lite-On 166), the other with the Sony DRU-510 (and also Lite-On 166).

Testing the exact same media I get very different results. The Plextor drive creates reproducable graphs - between 3 DVDs I burnt, the graph only deviates with a small margin.

The Sony however, produces completely different graphs each time. None of the DVDs "look alike".

I'm at a loss on how to continue. Why are the results so damn different...

23-09-2003	#1
OC-Freak Retired Senior Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cdfreaks review lab - Norway Posts: 5,644	Plextor PX-708A 8X write quality and strategy. For this small test I'll use all different types of 8X capable 4X discs and use the create data disc function in CD-Speed. I'll scan the discs with two different Lite-On drives so we could look at the produced results Plextor PX-708A, F/W 1.01, 4,38Gb. Arita 4X DVD+R written at 8X: Code: Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01 Format Capacity 4.37GB(4.69GB) Free Blocks 0 Book Type DVD+R Media Type DVD+R Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps Data area starting sector 30000h Data area end sector 22F90Fh Linear Density 0.267um/bit Track Density 0.74um/track Number of Layers 1 Full media code: Code: 00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 F9 0F .............%.. 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR 00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b.. 00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................ Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. Notice that it locked up at the end of the write process. Reading the discs do still work. Scanned with LTC-48161H: Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. Scanned with LTD-165H: Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. Ritek 4X DVD+R written at 8X: Code: Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01 Format Capacity 4.37GB(4.69GB) Free Blocks 0 Book Type DVD+R Media Type DVD+R Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps Data area starting sector 30000h Data area end sector 22F90Fh Linear Density 0.267um/bit Track Density 0.74um/track Number of Layers 1 Full media code: Code: 00000000 08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 F9 0F .............%.. 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E 52 .......RICOHJPNR 00000020 30 31 02 38 23 54 37 09 00 3C 67 00 AC 62 16 18 01.8#T7..<g..b.. 00000030 0B 0B 0A 0B 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................ Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! 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Verbatim Datalifeplus 4X DVD+R written at 8X: Code: Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO Media code/Manufacturer ID YUDEN000T01 Format Capacity Blank Free Blocks 405405696 Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB) Book Type DVD+R Media Type DVD+R Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps Linear Density Blank Disc Track Density Unknown Number of Layers 1 Full media code: Code: 00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.? 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 59 55 44 45 4E 30 30 30 54 .......YUDEN000T 00000020 30 31 00 38 23 54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 9C 63 16 16 01.8#T7..Nr..c.. 00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................ Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. 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Verbatim Datalifeplus 4X DVD+R written at 8X: Code: Media Information Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 002 Format Capacity Blank Free Blocks 405405696 Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB) Book Type DVD+R Media Type DVD+R Media Id Code Speed 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps Linear Density Blank Disc Track Density Unknown Number of Layers 1 Full media code: Code: 00000000 01 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.? 00000010 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 4D 43 43 00 00 00 00 00 30 .......MCC.....0 00000020 30 32 00 38 23 54 37 13 02 4A 71 02 90 66 16 16 02.8#T7..Jq..f.. 00000030 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 1C 1E 0B 0C 12 12 01 00 00 00 00 ................ Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. These was found in a store which had old stock.....not TY yet Scanned with LTC-48161H: Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. Scanned with LTD-165H: Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. Notice the big quality difference between ritek and arita discs which is identified as the same discs!! Notice how easy it's to see where the speed shifts is on the quality scans. Seems like plextor have to improve write quality or that we have to wait for the real 8X discs. __________________ I'm a real freak in many aspects! Last edited by OC-Freak; 23-09-2003 at 10:48.

26-09-2003	#4
OC-Freak Retired Senior Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cdfreaks review lab - Norway Posts: 5,644	Thanks for your comment spath. Please comment more on posts like this as then I may be able to learn something from a way more technical person than me. Yes, it seems like Lite-On DVD-writers, DVD-ROMs and Combo drives do all report PI/PO errors different.....and the worst thing is...there is no system on which discs which drives like...it depends on writespeed, writer and disc brand.... This is a huge problem for our new DVD media test forum as different people have different drives and this makes comparing results difficult __________________ I'm a real freak in many aspects!

27-09-2003	#6
OC-Freak Retired Senior Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cdfreaks review lab - Norway Posts: 5,644	So you say that we should limit the dvd media testforum to scans from one drivetype only? Nope we will not do that..... __________________ I'm a real freak in many aspects!

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x5nder CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the Netherlands Posts: 35	I seem to be running into similar problem. I wanted to do an extensive DVD±R test for which I have two identical computers. One is fitted with the Plextor 708 (and Lite-On 166), the other with the Sony DRU-510 (and also Lite-On 166). Testing the exact same media I get very different results. The Plextor drive creates reproducable graphs - between 3 DVDs I burnt, the graph only deviates with a small margin. The Sony however, produces completely different graphs each time. None of the DVDs "look alike". I'm at a loss on how to continue. Why are the results so damn different...