Old 04-08-2005   #26
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Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

I just got started burning some Taiyo Yuden 8x DVD-Rs (at 8x) yesterday and I wrote on them the same as I did CDs by Taiyo Yuden. So far, Nero CD-DVD Speed reports no file or surface errors, so I assume everything is OK. Is it really OK to write on DVD-Rs the same like any unbranded CDs? I notice that the marker appear blurry on the DVD-R. Is this normal for these kind of discs? Thanks very much for any info...
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Re: Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

Hmm it doesn't appear blurry on my silver TYG02 discs.
Hasn't caused any problems that I have found.
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Re: Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

No problems here using black sharpie. Doesn't look blurry, though.
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Re: Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

Could be the effect of the light shining through the top plastic and rebounding of the data layer. If you put a clear label on a silver DVD then you get a kinda 3D effect.
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Re: Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

"Is it really OK to write on DVD-Rs the same like any unbranded CDs"

The question could be asked the other way round, as it's actually safer to write on DVDs than it is on CDs....

CD:

-------------------- reflective layer
............................ dye
================ plastic 1.2mm

DVD:

================ plastic 0.6mm
-------------------- reflective layer
............................. dye
================ plastic 0.6mm

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Re: Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

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"Is it really OK to write on DVD-Rs the same like any unbranded CDs"

The question could be asked the other way round, as it's actually safer to write on DVDs than it is on CDs....

CD:

-------------------- reflective layer
............................ dye
================ plastic 1.2mm

DVD:

================ plastic 0.6mm
-------------------- reflective layer
............................. dye
================ plastic 0.6mm

Cheers
Wow! Thanks for pointing that out to me! It makes sense. :-D
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Re: Writing (marker) on 'silver' unbranded TY DVD-Rs: OK?

Another important point is to use a solvent-free marker and make sure the tip is not too fine nor your writing pressure too forceful.

Sharpie makes a specific marker for CD-DVD's, called the Sharpie CD Marker (#37035), which purportedly does not have harmful solvents. The regular Sharpie permanent marking pen has harmful solvents and has the telltale Sharpie smell. The new Sharpie CD Marker has a very different odor to it (not unpleasant) and dries fast.

Another marking pen that is kinder to your media, supposedly, is the Staedtler Lumicolor.

I choose the Sharpie over the Staedtler only because my local Staples store had multicolor 4-pack of Staedtler vs. an all black 4-pack of Sharpie CD Marker and I only wanted black. I only use the "fine" tip and not the "ultrafine" tip to decrease my risk of scratching the media.

And, yes, I also get that mirror-image blurry effect on my Taiyo Yuden 8X T02 DVD+R's.
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Okay to write on discs with a marker?

Perhaps this is a silly question. I have a bunch of DVD-R's which have no brand at all and they are nearly see-through before use. I wrote on a couple of these with a red marker before I burned them and got coasters. The next one, I burned before writing on it and it came out okay.

Could the fact that I wrote (on the silver side, not the light purple side) on the disc have caused them to have problems? The write completed, but I had "verify" checked and the verify is what failed. I was using Nero (6.x, I think).

If writing on the these unbranded discs with marker is not recommended, am I better off buying the ones with the white coating for inkjet printing?

I hope this is not too silly a question and I hope it's just coincidence... it's like $0.10 per disk for the inkjet printable discs.

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I think if you stay with a good brand of disc (Sony-Fuji) made in japan or Verbatim 16x you should have no problem writing on them with a sharpie. Cheapo disc are another story.
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

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...nearly see-through...

The only media of this type that I know are some old CDs of very low quality. Never seen DVD almost transparent. There is no brand also on the box? Where do you find these discs? And what mediacode have?


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If writing on the these unbranded discs with marker is not recommended, am I better off buying the ones with the white coating for inkjet printing?
This can be a good solution: I already do this (but the best results are with a printer ).

I suggest you don't buy labels
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

Cripes! Why pay $30 on Ebay for some crap Chinese discs when you can get TY for $33 at Rima

Putting that curiosity aside, you can write on the back of a DVD with anything you like and it shouldn't effect burning or playback. With crap Chinese discs, all bets are off.

Somewhere around here are some tests I did after gouging the back of a DVD with a paper clip and a screwdriver - literally scratching on a label. It had no effect. Anyway, get some decent media.
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Cripes! Why pay $30 on Ebay for some crap...
But everything's cheaper on eBay...
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

reminds me of those silver coated el cheapo CD`s if you sneezed over them, youd blow the coating right off the surface
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eBay just doesn't seem worth it with places like Office Max and Best Buy selling 50pks of Verbatim for $15 each.
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I presume that not everyone on ebay is selling fake TY's. Can you get a good deal on good media there, or am I just better off buying from a place like supermediastore.com?
You've just learned the true cost of "cheap" media. 3 out of 5 were coasters, the other 2 are probably very marginal. Thats a lot of money wasted.

If you know what to look for, you can get decent media in stores on sale. but if you prefer to get the best without risk or hastle, just stick with www.rima.com .
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But everything's cheaper on eBay...
Seems to me once you factor in shipping most things are more expensive on Ebay.
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Seems to me once you factor in shipping most things are more expensive on Ebay.
Yep. I have found no decent media deals on Ebay in the past 2 years or so, and don't expect to find any (unless somebody inadvertently posts an auction with incorrect prices.)

Your best bet for deals IMHO? Regularly browse the bargain basement forum here and the hot deals forum over at fatwallet. My best deals on media have been either online sales or big box store sales+coupons/price match/etc. announced in those places.
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It may have been chance, or the silvering may be so poorly protected that the marker penetrated the low quality laquering - in which case, it would be just as bad if you marked them after writing.

VDSPMSAB 01 - a poor code, and what sounds like a poor example of it too.

Most Taiwan, India or other media of semi respectable brand name would do far better than that, even if not up to the standards of the best MIJ.
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

There are some DVDs out there which are apparently not made correctly, not made up to full specs. Some of them have even been reported as lacking the upper plastic layer, being built much like a CD-R (never seen one, only heard of them from time to time).

To answer the question, any properly-manufacturer DVD shold be fine with a marker. The upper layer of plastic protects it, or the branding/inkjet/thermal layer if one exists. Inability to use markers was a myth started in the CD-R days. It was not true then, and it's technically impossible with DVD.
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Seems to me once you factor in shipping most things are more expensive on Ebay.
I was being sarcastic....

Here's a 25-pk of Memorex DL: http://cgi.ebay.com/MEMOREX-25-PACK-...QQcmdZViewItem. Factoring in shipping, they're $2.50/each. Without the inflated shipping cost, they'd be $2.00/each.
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

Thanks for all the info regarding writing on the discs with a marker. I'll bet that it was just coincidence that I had two coaster in which I first wrote on them with a big fat red marker and then the third try succeeded, but I did not write on it until after I burned it.

As for ebay, the inflated shipping prices are the sellers' way of getting around ebay's increasing fees. Ebay does not take a cut of the shipping charges. I've bought stuff that was $1 with $20 shipping, but I knew what I was getting into and the item was worth $40 retail. I recently bought five new caller ID boxes for $18 including shipping. Let's see you beat that at any brick & mortar retailer!

Don't forget to include tax when you buy from a brick & mortar retailer.

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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

If you look at the inside of the labels for Sony or Fuji (8x +R MIJ are ones I have), they specifically state to use oil-based felt tip pen when writing on the surface of the disc
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Thanks for all the info regarding writing on the discs with a marker. I'll bet that it was just coincidence that I had two coaster in which I first wrote on them with a big fat red marker and then the third try succeeded, but I did not write on it until after I burned it.

As for ebay, the inflated shipping prices are the sellers' way of getting around ebay's increasing fees. Ebay does not take a cut of the shipping charges. I've bought stuff that was $1 with $20 shipping, but I knew what I was getting into and the item was worth $40 retail. I recently bought five new caller ID boxes for $18 including shipping. Let's see you beat that at any brick & mortar retailer!

Don't forget to include tax when you buy from a brick & mortar retailer.

Al.
The bottom line though is that ebay IS NOT the place to shop for media. Yes, you can get some good deals/hard to find items, if you really dig but when it comes to blank media, it is just a rip-off. As mentioned by rdgrimes. www.rima.com has a superb reputation and sells authentic 8x Taiyo Yuden TYG02 DVD-R for $33+shipping. At most it should cost you $40 with shipping and these are considered to be some of the best discs out there. It's kinda like buying a Yugo, when for about the exact same price you could get a Mercedes Benz or BMW. That guy clearly made a killing off of those discs. As for shipping prices that is a bunch of crap. I can regularly get 100 packs of those TY from rima for $5-$6 shipped. Whether it be listing fees or shipping fees, it doesn't matter, with each passing day ebay's "deals" get worse and worse.
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

I do the Sharpie thing for DVD and CD backups,,,, I was told it was not a good idea to put labels on CD-s, as they can make the disc out of balance and not spin up right at times,,,,, any truth to that or is it an urban legend. Labels can make a backup look neater, maybe I just need to print better.
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Re: Okay to write on discs with a marker?

Labels seem to have a number of issues...

1. Risk of upsetting balance, though the applicator should centre them nicely

2. Risk of misapplied label making the disk unusable

3. Risk of adhesive permeating the top layer

By far the greatest problem with labels is peeling/tearing, especially with slot loaders - it is better NEVER to apply a label to any disk to be used in a slot loader, as while the other problems are arguable, it is almost inevitable that a slot loader will eventually be jammed when it peels and snags the label.
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