Old 16-04-2004   #1
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Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

Sold as Verbatim DVD+R 8x. OCFreak previously reported problems with this media. Well it's finally turning up in the USA so I thought I'd start a thread to post experience with it.

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-003-000]
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Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [003]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x - 4x - 8x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6 MB = 4.38 GB]
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[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
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It looks like Verbatim has completely dropped the DataLife and DataLifePlus designations for DVD media. The new packaging say's nothing but "Verbatim". This is made in Taiwan, so will be CMC-made.

Burned at 8x in NEC 2500A with Herrie's B-7 firmware (1.07)



Clearly the 2500 is pleased to see the MCC003 media.

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Burned in LiteOn 811s with speed modded firmware.
Clearly, LiteOn has not yet included a proper write strategy for this media. Although the stock HS0P appears to offer 8x speed on this media.
Looks like the 6x band is the real trouble area.



Here's the same disc run in CDSpeed, I'm surprised it is readable


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very nice any idea on the cost per disk?
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It was $20 for a 10ct spindle at Best Buy.
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cool thanks ill bet it will be around 1.50$ a disk online then.
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dang!

I bought a 10pack of Verbatim 8x like 2 weeks ago, and the suckers must be defective! I've run several kprobe scans on them and on nearly every one, i have gotten unrecoverable read errors between 30 and 50 percent. I only have 3 discs left, and plan on burning them through this weekend till my next shipment of TY's come in.. I'll scan those guys in so you can see the horror upon my face when i saw over 1 million PI errors and over 500k PO errors on these discs. I hope its not a trend for Verbatim, as the MCC 4x guys were quite sturdy. My tests were the same on a Liteon 811S with both HSOE and HSOP firmwares.. But 3 more, and i'll post the scans here for you guys to peruse at your will. I just hope that it was a defective batch.. At any rate, i'm out $20..
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Re: dang!

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I bought a 10pack of Verbatim 8x like 2 weeks ago, and the suckers must be defective! I've run several kprobe scans on them and on nearly every one, i have gotten unrecoverable read errors between 30 and 50 percent. I only have 3 discs left, and plan on burning them through this weekend till my next shipment of TY's come in.. I'll scan those guys in so you can see the horror upon my face when i saw over 1 million PI errors and over 500k PO errors on these discs. I hope its not a trend for Verbatim, as the MCC 4x guys were quite sturdy. My tests were the same on a Liteon 811S with both HSOE and HSOP firmwares.. But 3 more, and i'll post the scans here for you guys to peruse at your will. I just hope that it was a defective batch.. At any rate, i'm out $20..
you did see Rgrimes results on his 811S above right? When you run a media scan who made the disks mitsubishi i assume but with verbetam it could be anyone. They dont burn well at 8x on the litey. I doubt they are defective..but you never know could be. I would suggest you burn them at 4x im sure you wont get coasters..

really is 7.5 more min. burn time gonna kill us??
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first testable disc

ok, here is one of the discs that i had burned about a week ago or so that actually is able to complete a kprobe test. It's MCC003 (Verbatim 8x) not a different manufacturer rebranded as Verbatim. Keep in mind that all the other discs i burned (5 or so) each had unrecoverable read errors in kprobe around the 30-50% marks.

Note that even though this disc is classified as an 8x disc, i burned it at 4x ad tested it at 4x. Based on this knowlege and the tests of the other discs, i won't be buying these media any more.. I just ordered another cakebox of TY's.. and everybody should know how good those are. The price also went down from $2.05 to $1.65 in the only American distributor i could find from google. So i saved a few bucks there as well.
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2nd test

ok, here's the next kprobe test. It's of the only other readable disc out of the 10pack of Verbatim 8x (MCC03) media. This one is passable, but barely so in my opinion. It was originally burned at 4x, and tested at 4x as well.
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I think we've established that LiteOn has not yet implemented support for this media in their drives. At least not on the 811/851 drives. Don't know about the 812 yet.
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i have the 812 and it doesnt do well with this media either..i can get a somewhat readable disk when i write at 2x..but of course i just use my NEC 2500 and get near perfect burns at 8x.
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i have the 812 and it doesnt do well with this media either..i can get a somewhat readable disk when i write at 2x..but of course i just use my NEC 2500 and get near perfect burns at 8x.
I have to disagree.

Here is MCC 003 (Real made in Singapore MCC 003 disc) written at 8x with SOHW-812S fw US0G.

Impressive - at least in my opinion
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nice..

thats quite an excellent scan you have there OC-Freak.. I can only hope that the 10pack i bought is just plain defective, though my thoughts tend to agree with rdgrimes at the moment, that the 811 (or perhaps several LiteOn drives?) don't yet have adequate implementation for that particular media yet. I had tested with HSOE and HSOP on my burner, at 8x, 4x, and even 2.4x, yet only produced 2 readable discs, and one of those was absolutely horrible, as is shown in the kprobe scan. I'd really like to buy another ten pack after a couple weeks and redo these tests, to see if perhaps indeed i just got the shaft with my first 10 pack of Verbatim 8x'ers.. but that's another $20 that wouldn't be earmarked for the next batch of TY's..

On the other hand, i should be getting a couple of 25 packs of the Verbatim Digital Vinyl's.. the regular 50 pack seems to have been out of stock at my local Best Buy as of 2 hours ago, so i may end up getting 2x25 of the Digital Vinyls instead.. They're still 4x, but if i remember correctly, they are manufactured in Singapore, not Taiwan, so that increases my chances of *not* getting Ricoh or CMC media... we shall see.
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Re: nice..

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thats quite an excellent scan you have there OC-Freak.. I can only hope that the 10pack i bought is just plain defective, though my thoughts tend to agree with rdgrimes at the moment, that the 811 (or perhaps several LiteOn drives?) don't yet have adequate implementation for that particular media yet. I had tested with HSOE and HSOP on my burner, at 8x, 4x, and even 2.4x, yet only produced 2 readable discs, and one of those was absolutely horrible, as is shown in the kprobe scan. I'd really like to buy another ten pack after a couple weeks and redo these tests, to see if perhaps indeed i just got the shaft with my first 10 pack of Verbatim 8x'ers.. but that's another $20 that wouldn't be earmarked for the next batch of TY's..

On the other hand, i should be getting a couple of 25 packs of the Verbatim Digital Vinyl's.. the regular 50 pack seems to have been out of stock at my local Best Buy as of 2 hours ago, so i may end up getting 2x25 of the Digital Vinyls instead.. They're still 4x, but if i remember correctly, they are manufactured in Singapore, not Taiwan, so that increases my chances of *not* getting Ricoh or CMC media... we shall see.
Yep, to my experience thse writers is not tuned correctly for this media:

All Lite-On writers, except 812S.
Plextor PX-708A
NEC ND-2500A (at least with the original 1.06 firmware I used in the review).

These seems ok with this media:

Pioneer 8x writers
BTC 8x writers (must have the newest firmware update!)
NU 8x writers
BenQ 8x writers
Lite-On SOHW-812S
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

for what its worth, I've also used MCC003 from Singapore and I get a perfect reading curve with nero! But I find it weird that such expensive media as Verbatim uses that crap from CMC. It'll hurt their reputation as an excellent dvd-fabricator
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for what its worth, I've also used MCC003 from Singapore and I get a perfect reading curve with nero! But I find it weird that such expensive media as Verbatim uses that crap from CMC. It'll hurt their reputation as an excellent dvd-fabricator
This is not new, MCC has always had media made by CMC in Taiwan and Mexico, as well as by Moser Baer in India. Singapore media is pretty rare.
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

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This is not new, MCC has always had media made by CMC in Taiwan and Mexico, as well as by Moser Baer in India. Singapore media is pretty rare.
Just be on the look out for Verbatim DatalifePlus Advanced Azo Printable 8x, which is MCC003. And ofcourse you can look at the back of the jewelcase were it says "made in singapore"

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here you haven a PERFECT scan of an MCC003 made in Singapore!

burned with a NEC2500, herrie's firmware beta 4
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

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It looks like Verbatim has completely dropped the DataLife and DataLifePlus designations for DVD media. The new packaging say's nothing but "Verbatim". This is made in Taiwan, so will be CMC-made.
Not entirely true...The media in jewel cases still says DatalifePlus, and in the case of the 8x media it is indeed made in Singapore. Also the bulk spindles you can get online of silver thermal or inkjet printable media still carries a DatalifePlus sticker, and as with the jewel cased media the 8x discs are made in Singapore.

On that note, rdgrimes do you think you could test some made in Sinapore MCC003 media on that 811s? It'd be interesting to see if there is a major difference in burn quality between it and the made in Taiwan media...
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

Hi.
Look at another post made by Jackass with title "MCC003 quality on the rise ?"
He also has perfects kprobe graphs with singapore media.

I guess singapore MCC003 media are of better quality than others.
Here (Greece) where i am, i got a 10pack and like the ones BakCompat bought they suck.
I have 4 unreadable discs. With 2 of them i get servo errors while the other 2 have just unreadable sectors.

I have a Lite-on 832S with VS08 firmware just like Jackass (patched with omnipatcher too).
burning at 4x i get perfect results.

I have read some posts here and changed the strategy from MCC003 to TY01/01.
Then i got perfect results at 8x speed. Even better than my 4x with MCC003 strategy.

I don't know if the TY01/01 will work for your 811/812 but i guess it will. Anyway it is worth
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

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Hi.
Look at another post made by Jackass with title "MCC003 quality on the rise ?"
He also has perfects kprobe graphs with singapore media.

I guess singapore MCC003 media are of better quality than others.
Here (Greece) where i am, i got a 10pack and like the ones BakCompat bought they suck.
I have 4 unreadable discs. With 2 of them i get servo errors while the other 2 have just unreadable sectors.

I have a Lite-on 832S with VS08 firmware just like Jackass (patched with omnipatcher too).
burning at 4x i get perfect results.

I have read some posts here and changed the strategy from MCC003 to TY01/01.
Then i got perfect results at 8x speed. Even better than my 4x with MCC003 strategy.

I don't know if the TY01/01 will work for your 811/812 but i guess it will. Anyway it is worth
the try.
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

rdgrimes, could you do us a favor and post the entire media code for that spindle? It'd be interesting to see if they're the new 12x compatible discs. I've had problems with them on my 812S@832S, whereas the old 8x only discs burn fine.
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rdgrimes, could you do us a favor and post the entire media code for that spindle? It'd be interesting to see if they're the new 12x compatible discs. I've had problems with them on my 812S@832S, whereas the old 8x only discs burn fine.
ive posted both media codes here..ones made in sigapore (the old code) the others in tawain like rdgrimes above(the new one)

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=102158
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I have to disagree.

Here is MCC 003 (Real made in Singapore MCC 003 disc) written at 8x with SOHW-812S fw US0G.

Impressive - at least in my opinion
It looks like this is a scan from CMC, not Singapore. You can see the exact spike in the PI values on every MCC disc from CMC. Please tell me how the serial number on the inner ring looks like. Printed, not embedded I suppose .
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Re: Mitsubishi DVD+R 8x

Hey erm. Is this okay? I accidentally burned 12x on my MCC003 on my benq dw1600..

i'm new to the dvd burner thing i see a lot of k-probes but i understand those are for lite-ons only right?.. so I only try nero to read the quality...

please give me your comments / suggestions

this is one of the beta 1600 firmware (not the latest that converts it to a 1620)
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