Identifying Prodisc and CMC Verbatim 16X. Which is Which?

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Old Posted: 28-05-2006
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MCC is the MID, and Prodisc and CMC make MCC.
Sony and Fujifilm get discs from Taiyo Yuden, which makes TYG02.
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sorry for all the questions but i'm still trying to learn. I got a no-name disc that dvd-decrypter says is MCC-03. On the inner ring of the disc it has M8XPR-OM1-010. how can i tell whether it's mcm or prodisc mcc?
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Old Posted: 30-05-2006
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Going by what you posted, it is neither. It isn't made by MBIL or MKM either. You've got some non-Mitsubishi media that has "borrowed" a Mitsubishi ID.
Old Posted: 31-05-2006
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Yup, fake MCC. I believe it was posted earlier but Prodisc breaks up their serials with - or + (depending on which format it is). CMC Mag does not. That is the easiest way I know to tell which is which among Verbatim.
Old Posted: 09-06-2006
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Originally Posted by jamescooley1
Prodisc has a + or - in the middle of the serial number CMC does not, also you can tell by the cake box, look at the top, both have a triangle with a #5 in the center of triangle and PP below it .CMC made will have a rectangle above the triangle and Prodisc does not have the rectangle this is what I have been finding here in ths U.S. I had excellent burns with both. Prodisc made is more consistant quality for me but CMC gives me better 16x burns.
I've just got a 10 pack spindle of Prodisc Verbatim and not happy with it . I want some CMC Verbatims , does your theory of spindle having rectangle shape above the triangle shape apply for the 10 pack Verbatim spindles ?
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Old Posted: 09-06-2006
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It should. But I usually don't go after rectangles (I have a 25 pcs recycled Prodisc cakebox which came as Maxell 8x DVD-R with RITEK G05 which does have a rounded (!) rectangle), look for the serif font instead.
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Originally Posted by Arachne
Supposed to be the dog's. Cressida posted a brilliant scan of some MIS HP-branded media a week or so back.
I for one would advise owners to be careful in the storage of MIS MCC media. Take good care of them else the edges may start degrading as I have found out for many of my MIS discs even the newer 16x MCC004 media that kg posted. The edge sealing is probably not as good as it ought to be.

On my last visit to the shops, I chose the CMC MCC004 and avoided any possible MIS versions on purpose. Much as I like to support my local manufacturers, I have been disappointed that MIS MCC need tender care & storage with our climate here.

Of course, YMMV.

PS: think I can still get MIS media here, even the printable version in spindles of 50s and rather cheaply too but I passed.
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Just by looking at the cakeboxes in store, is there any way of telling the difference between CMC and Prodisc media? BTW, I'm in the UK...
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Just by looking at the cakeboxes in store, is there any way of telling the difference between CMC and Prodisc media? BTW, I'm in the UK...
Yep. The easiest, most reliable method, in my experience is by checking the front of the OPEN/LOCK on the cakebox. A standard, bold arial type font indicates Prodisc, while a times new roman style font indicates CMC
Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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Looking at the center spindle hub has proven quicker for me. You don't need to try and read anything and you can spot the CMC on a shelf pretty easily.

First is CMC, second is Prodisc. CMC is better in the MIT 16X +R.
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Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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Looking at the center spindle hub has proven quicker for me. You don't need to try and read anything and you can spot the CMC on a shelf pretty easily.

First is CMC, second is Prodisc. CMC is better in the MIT 16X +R.
ooo... I'd have to disagree with you on this one

The cakebox that used as an example of a Prodisc cakebox looks exactly like my CMC Verbatim 25pk cakeboxes! Plus, it seems to me that the OPEN/LOCK is actually in the times new roman type font. Thus, I conclude that the 25pk cakebox you uploaded is actually a CMC cakebox

So yeah, I would agree that your method probably works on 50 & 100pks, just not on 25pks
Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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Looking at the center spindle hub has proven quicker for me. You don't need to try and read anything and you can spot the CMC on a shelf pretty easily.

First is CMC, second is Prodisc. CMC is better in the MIT 16X +R.
erm, the 50 pc spindle on the left does look like a CMC design cakebox (tall lip, str8 centre hub) but the label says very clearly Made In Singapore as you can see. btw, that's the MIS printable media I was referring to in my earlier post.

And isn't all CMC MCC media only Made In Taiwan instead while MIS is the only true MCC Made by Mitsubishi media?
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Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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I am referring to retail boxes available in stores, as these are the only ones we can see before we buy. I have not seen any MIS on shelves in the US so I cannot comment on them. I have also never seen any CMC in any Prodisc case in the US but that doesn't mean it is not possible, however, the Times Roman font on the 25 box above indicates Prodisc not CMC. So use the case example for 50s and 100s if you are concerned. For the 16X media, the difference between Prodisc and CMC +R is not huge and I have had great results with the Prodics on some drives. The CMC seems to be good on a wider range. I avoid the -R from either source.
Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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chas0039,
I also look at the top lip of the cakeboxes to tell them apart. Tall lip for CMC and short lip for Prodisc.
Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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I've just got a 10 pack spindle of Verbatim 16X DVD+R , they are MIT "Prodisc" made , I've searched al the spindles -R or +R and all have the same normal OPEN------LOCK font , does the same theory of serif font also apply to 10 pack spindles ?

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Old Posted: 14-07-2006
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Serif Font = CMC or Made in Singapore, for 10, 25, 50 and 100 cakeboxes!
Non-serif font = If MIT then Prodisc for 10, 25, 50 and 100 cakeboxes...
???
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Serif Font = CMC or Made in Singapore, for 10, 25, 50 and 100 cakeboxes!
Non-serif font = If MIT then Prodisc for 10, 25, 50 and 100 cakeboxes...
???
I haven't seen any data too suggest otherwise

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I've just got a 10 pack spindle of Verbatim 16X DVD+R , they are MIT "Prodisc" made , I've searched al the spindles -R or +R and all have the same normal OPEN------LOCK font , does the same theory of serif font also apply to 10 pack spindles ?
AFAIK
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...however, the Times Roman font on the 25 box above indicates Prodisc not CMC. So use the case example for 50s and 100s if you are concerned.
Not true. I've got over 15 25pks of Verbatim MCC004, made in Taiwan, with TNR/Serif type font, that look identical to the example provided above, and they're all CMC. These have been purchased on many occasions from different stores and it's not like I haven't seen the the 25pk cakeboxes with arial font, either.
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Serif Font = CMC or Made in Singapore, for 10, 25, 50 and 100 cakeboxes!
Non-serif font = If MIT then Prodisc for 10, 25, 50 and 100 cakeboxes...
???
The CMC04 Verbs are MIT not singapore according to all the info from the previous 2 1/2 pages in this thread. This much i can tell you. 2) 50 pack spindles/cake boxes with the tall lip at Best Buy cost me $33.10 with tax. They are made in Tawain and have PAPAxxxx... on the hub. These are CMC04 media.
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Thanks for the input. Too bad Prodisc has had so much trouble. At least CMC is improving.

then how come meda with CMC code burn really bad (at least for me), and media with prodisc (maxell 16x) burn great, i mean really good.

i never had good luck with any media that had CMC id
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And by the way, not all CMC cakeboxes will have the tall top lip. Especially with 25 pcs cakeboxes it is a thing of the past. Most will have the serif font, but some CMC cakeboxes also have a non-serif font and not a tall top lip (like the Verbatim Pearl White).
Pioneers, especially older Pioneers, did not properly support CMC.
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And by the way, not all CMC cakeboxes will have the tall top lip. Especially with 25 pcs cakeboxes it is a thing of the past. Most will have the serif font, but some CMC cakeboxes also have a non-serif font and not a tall top lip (like the Verbatim Pearl White).
Pioneers, especially older Pioneers, did not properly support CMC.
Do you mean CMC made Verbatims or media with CMC codes ?
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Media with CMC codes.
CMC-made discs with other codes, that's another story.
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Media with CMC codes.
CMC-made discs with other codes, that's another story.
Oh , I see

I asked this because I burnt some LG CMC MAG E01 discs with an old Pioneer 109 and they didn't read on Pioneer 110 , always "unrecoverable read error" although these discs still beat my Sony MIJ , Panasonic TYG03 , Verbatim "Prodisc" MCC 004 :

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...2&postcount=95

These particular LG CMCs are the best I got from CMC , HP DVD+R ca not even touch them
Bottom line is : CMC can be a total winner or a total crap
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Old Posted: 16-07-2006
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@chas thanks for the pictures and I will print out your post #63 next time I go shopping for Verb. I am assumming this is CMC by the looks of the cakebox?
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