Please Help: DVD+RW disk rewrite/erase "unavailable" on LG DVD writer (& it was available before)
| Blank Media Discuss, DVD+RW disk rewrite/erase "unavailable" on LG DVD writer (& it was available before) at Consumables forum; 1st of all I hope this is the correct section. If not please move me in the correct one. Ty. Let's start: I have an LG GSA-4167B . Not too long ago I buy some DVD+RW blanks: 10pcs EMTEC DVD+RW 1-4x & 10pcs Verbatim DVD+RW 4x (both types used 2-3 |
| 1st of all I hope this is the correct section. If not please move me in the correct one. Ty. Let's start: I have an LG GSA-4167B. Not too long ago I buy some DVD+RW blanks: 10pcs EMTEC DVD+RW 1-4x & 10pcs Verbatim DVD+RW 4x (both types used 2-3 times 'write/rewrite' with no problem). Both worked fine with my LG till now and i didn't changed the recorder/soft (nero7). After 1 month time in wich i don't use them this happens: Nero 7/Alcohol 120 both see the emtec disks as +RW but dont erase/format/rewrite them (all 10)... Verbatim ones works fine (all 10). Anyone got any ideea on what happened/what to do (if there is anything to do)? I'll attach some pics (maybe there are usefull): Alchool120% write error--  /\Opti Drive Control erase error-- My drive dont support "disk quality-nero/opti drive control" so I cannot put a quality report. Nero CD/DVD Speed--  /\Nero info drive-- Nero info disk--  /\Opti Drive Control info disk-- Opti Drive Control info drive--  Also INCD can't erase/format the disk. DVD Identifier log download/direct view All the above pics/test are done with the "emtec" DVD+RW in the drive. Thanks. P.S. Sry for my english - I'm not a native english language speaker. Last edited by lentul; 04-07-2009 at 19:11. |
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| Hi  There is an option in the settings of Alcohol that you can try - go to Alcohol's Settings, and look for an option named "Ignore Media Type" - make sure this option is not checked. Rebooting after you change the setting may help. Also, download ImgBurn and try erasing the discs using that. If this fails, can you try the discs on another drive to see how they are recognised there. BTW your English is fine.
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 The default settings was already as shown in picture. But still don't clean the disks. When I try to erase/format the emtec DVD+RW with ImgBurn:  ImgBurn logs: ImgBurn primary window data: download//direct view ImgBurn log window data: download//direct view And in the past they did work with my drive flawless. It's weird..I have 10 emtec and none want to clean, to work like a DVD+RW should work. And 10 Verbatims (same age with emtecs/same storage conditions/same use conditions/same type: DVD+RW) that still work flawless. Any sugestions? (except brake/use them as DVD-Rom) I still wanna use them as temp bkp... I'm gonna get angry on those 'stupid' disks  Regards, Lentul (in EN: slow-man ) |
| Yep, that's the option I meant Hmmm - the fact that your 10 Verbatims still work flawlessly, leads me to believe the Emtec discs may be the problem. For two reasons: 1. The LG 4167B can be a picky drive, it likes the best media (I have the same drive myself)...also 2. Verbatim are an excellent choice for any RW discs, whereas Emtec, depending on what manufacturer they use for those discs, can be anything from "terrible" to "OK". It sounds like your Emtec discs have worn out. Indeed, I have some Memorex DVD-RW discs, and my own 4167B won't even burn them...so it's a fussy drive! So what I would suggest is to use your Verbatim discs instead - and use the Emtecs as coasters for your drinks. I know it seems like a waste of discs, but even if the Emtec discs did work, there is always a chance of data loss. 
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 Emtec's RWs are usually the worst possible grade Optodiscs. I wonder if anybody is successfully using them.
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 )...but I will try to erase them..idk how  And after that, if they still don't wanna work, use them as coasters (they do look nice )Quote:
Strange is that nero/imgburn/A% all say that media (emtec's) from the drive is erasable and disc info/stats is DVD+RW. Edit: I e-mail the disc manufacturer (8 hours ago). I'm curious about their answer, if they will answer.  Thanks for answers/help. Regards, Lentul. |
| Get decent DVD+Rw media and a decent burner.
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Yes, it will be interesting to hear what the manufacturer says - maybe they'll even offer you replacements Quote:
 
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Why I say that? Well, even if Quote:
I one only use the best media...and I start to think that emtec's was a mistake, but not too bad one. I am able to perfectly read all the data from them even if I cannot RW them like I should and was able before, yet. I even make one fedora live usb and boot from it and still cannot erase those bad emtecs... The "Emtecs as coasters" Arachne's ideea takes a tangible form little by little... |
| Really, is it a decent burner for DVD+RW media? I am not that sure............
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And Lentul says his Verbie RWs burn OK, so it can't be all that bad - as I mentioned, as long as you feed it the best.
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- "Fedora live usb OS" & "Ashampoo Burning Studio 2009 Advanced" to the above softwares (this one also see the emtec's as DVD+RW but also fail when I try to erase them) - 2 different DVD recorders able do write/rewrite +RW with the same result: erase/format error. In conclusion: Emtec's worn off (so the brand says all, 'expired by doing nothing... ). Those +RW's were a bad choice. I've learned my lesson: I wont buy any questionable/low quality rw's. I e-mail the disc manufacturer...no ansswer till now I wonder if they will ever reply... The question is, now: Even if they are less then low quality, i cannot question myself how an "x" brand "RW" media can become "R" media (but softwares being able to see them still as "RW") in one month, knowing that another "y" brand "RW" remained "RW" (x and y being used in the same way/stored in the same conditions/burned with the same software/burner/speed). This beats me. Now I think I will use the Emtec's as coasters, they do look nice  Ty for help. Lentul™ Last edited by lentul; 08-07-2009 at 12:29. |
| Just out of curiosity, what is the MID code of your Emtecs? Mine are all z-grade Optodiscs, at least I like their simple design.
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If I get it right then the codes are this: 1: OTC+W84554N0 2: OP4 3: 0303 4: +RW 2.4-4X 5: ES07J3005P13123 (1,2,3,4 are readable by mirroring the media) The 1..5 are readed as I noted the folowing picture:  If I understand wrong what MID is (meaning it's something writed on DVD's package, then I cannot get it - package is long time thrown away), if this is readed by using a software, then tell me what software sould I use. Manufacturer ID: OPTODISC OP4 As Nero InfoTool read the disc:  Last edited by lentul; 08-07-2009 at 15:09. |
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DVD Identifier or Opti Drive Control are ones of the few programs you can use for checking out the MID code of media.
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| With that can you solve the puzzle? because I look at that like a "kindergarten child at a car engine" |
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MID code identifies the real manufacturer of medium. Code "OPTODISC OP4" (obviously) belongs to Optodisc which was the most important OEM supplier of RW media for Emtec.
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So this means that my emtecs are not fake? So their quality is so low that noone bothered to make fake emtecs!? Excuse my little sarcasm. I'm from Romania, and here, when we're in difficulty...how should I say it to be properly understanded in english... we make sport of trouble/ in trouble we laugh... |
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Nobody would gain anything from making a fake Emtec media as the Emtec brand does not have a best reputation. Quote:
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__________________ Prince Princo Pepst the First http://www.last.fm/user/pepst/ I am looking for rare and old 1-4x media (MIDs: VIVASTAR, OMP 4KG001, REC001, AUVISTAR M01, SHT001, VDSPMSAB 004-001, POSGxx, VANGUARD, OCTOPLUS, 3AM0201, SMMR01, Yi Jhan 001, SKYMEDIA R01, Demorez, Prodisc's and CMC Magnetics' DVD-RAMs, Beall's and Prodisc's 4,85 GB DVDs, any Authoring DVD-Rs, any 63 min and ultra old CD-Rs ). Send me a PM if you could help me. [ |
| Well then I just got myself 10 brand new Emtec coasters :/ Thanks for help. Lentul™ |
| LOL. Lesson learned?
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| Ok. I tried what I should have tried in the first: I give 1 emtec +RW to a friend to let him try erase the disk and he succeeded. My last option is to update the firmware of my LG to see if with the las firmware I will be able to erase them (maybe my firmware get corrupted somehow). If this don't fix the problem then... means that my optical drive slowly dies. If in the past my drive would burn/write/rewrite any quality DVD media, now he only work with best quality...till he eventualy dies... Ty all for help and time. Lentul™ |
| Hehe, my two LG's (GSA-E10N external drive, and the 4167B) both only do well with good quality media - if yours has been burning stuff like the Optodisc/Emtec RWs successfully, you've been lucky so far I still think, if your Verbatim RW discs still burn OK, then the drive is fine - sure, it's an older burner and possibly quality of burns may deteriorate before it dies (that's how my beloved 4163B went), but I don't think its time is up just yet I just think you're seeing the drive's usual pickiness. EDIT: Out of curiosity, what brand of burner does your friend have? As some burners are more tolerant of crappy media than others (Samsung, LiteOn and Pioneer spring to mind).
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| Verbatim and Rioch -/+ RW work fine in my 4167B and H42N, but then they are about the best RW media I have ever found. I got some Optodisc W004 DVD-RW that would read and write ...just in my LG drives but would not work with video in any of my SAP's, and the other drives in my computers seemed about the same as the LG's. So long term I just dont see the point of getting lower quality RW media, I have Rioch +RW from 2006 that still work just as well and must have had 300~400 writes and Optodisc (own MID and MBI) that are no good at 3~4 writes, the MBI are better, but not by much.
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