DVD-RAM PIE/PIF tests

*Two Degrees* · 06-12-2005

Since the new Lite-On SHM-165P6S can read/write DVD-RAM, and it works with K-Probe, it is possible to do PIE/PIF tests on DVD-RAM media. YSS has put some up on his site: http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/ram_dqt/ram_dqt_top.htm

*franz99* · 06-12-2005

Thanks for beginning this thread !

Because of some (technical ?) reason I have been unable to start a new thread
I posted here after seing the tests published by YSS:
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....4&page=3&pp=25

I have already a few questions left about these tests:

1- Can these test only be done with this Lite-On SHM-165P6S drive ?
and does it need at least version 4.10 of the DVD Speed software ?

2- The 3 DVD-RAM's where burnt with CD DVD Speed.
Since version 4.xx these "CDS_TEST_B2" burns are done at full 3x or 5x CLV without defect management

3- What is the meaning of PIE/PIF errors on a DVD-RAM ?
Especially in the other case when the DVD-RAM disc is burned with defect management on (case of drag and drop through the Explorer)

4- In the 3rd test the MID code of the Optodisc 3x DVD-RAM is missing:
http://homepaget.nifty.com/yss/ram_dqt/ram_opto3x.htm.
Anyway among DVD-RAM I find it hard to tell who is manufacturing a given MID code ...

*_chef_* · 06-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by franz99

1- Can these test only be done with this Lite-On SHM-165P6S drive ?
and does it need at least version 4.10 of the DVD Speed software ?

Good point.
Question is if it's useful to test a DVD-RAM for PIE/PIF/POF.

*koba* · 07-12-2005

Here some answers to Franz99's questions:
1. The Toshiba-Samsung SD-M1912 can also do error checking on -RAM but the drive shows so many errors that YSS decided not to test with this drive. Panasonic A10-j can also do error checking on -Ram when using DVDINFOPro (YSS fo unknown reasons did not do this tests).
2. RAM discs are written without verification by burning software. There is no answer to why he did this (could be to check real quality of discs).
3. About the meaning of testing -RAM YSS says that he just testet those without thinking about the meaning (More kind of just for fun thing).
4. It seems that none of the drives or software could give the MID on the OPTODISC -RAM. Same goes with Maxel discs. Panasonic and Maxell produce their -RAM discs in their facilities over here in Japan.

*franz99* · 07-12-2005

Thanks a lot Koba !

*steven2874* · 08-12-2005

Not all Panasonic DVD-RAM media are MIJ. I have a bunch made in the good 'ole USA!

*HenryNettles* · 08-12-2005

The Nec 4550 can also run a disc quality test under CDSpeed on DVD-RAM media.

*Wizzu* · 09-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryNettles

The Nec 4550 can also run a disc quality test under CDSpeed on DVD-RAM media.

Thanks fot the info

- Hadn't tried that.

synergy3618 · 10-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryNettles

The Nec 4550 can also run a disc quality test under CDSpeed on DVD-RAM media.

Which version of firmware do you use for this test? Apparently the I-O DATA v1.26 firmware does not support disc quality test. See the last graph at the following link:

http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/nd4550a/nd4550a_ram.htm

*alexnoe* · 13-12-2005

Quote:

The Nec 4550 can also run a disc quality test under CDSpeed on DVD-RAM media.

Mine with Fw 1.06 can't

*Wizzu* · 13-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexnoe

Mine with Fw 1.06 can't

Which version of CDSpeed? I think I've read something about a CDSpeed version thingy for DVD-Ram scanning.

*HenryNettles* · 13-12-2005

Ooops! Looks like I mis-spoke. I have been able to run the "create data disc" test under CDSpeed, but not the "disc quality test". Too many drives, too many parameters, my memory is failing. My apologies for the misinformation.

*Wizzu* · 13-12-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by HenryNettles

Ooops! Looks like I mis-spoke. I have been able to run the "create data disc" test under CDSpeed, but not the "disc quality test". Too many drives, too many parameters, my memory is failing. My apologies for the misinformation.

No big deal

06-12-2005	#1
Two Degrees MyCE Resident Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Surrounded by granite in North GA Posts: 5,925	DVD-RAM PIE/PIF tests Since the new Lite-On SHM-165P6S can read/write DVD-RAM, and it works with K-Probe, it is possible to do PIE/PIF tests on DVD-RAM media. YSS has put some up on his site: http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/ram_dqt/ram_dqt_top.htm

06-12-2005	#2
franz99 MyCE Resident Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: EUROPE Posts: 710	Re: DVD-RAM PIE/PIF tests Thanks for beginning this thread ! Because of some (technical ?) reason I have been unable to start a new thread I posted here after seing the tests published by YSS: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread....4&page=3&pp=25 I have already a few questions left about these tests: 1- Can these test only be done with this Lite-On SHM-165P6S drive ? and does it need at least version 4.10 of the DVD Speed software ? 2- The 3 DVD-RAM's where burnt with CD DVD Speed. Since version 4.xx these "CDS_TEST_B2" burns are done at full 3x or 5x CLV without defect management 3- What is the meaning of PIE/PIF errors on a DVD-RAM ? Especially in the other case when the DVD-RAM disc is burned with defect management on (case of drag and drop through the Explorer) 4- In the 3rd test the MID code of the Optodisc 3x DVD-RAM is missing: http://homepaget.nifty.com/yss/ram_dqt/ram_opto3x.htm. Anyway among DVD-RAM I find it hard to tell who is manufacturing a given MID code ...

07-12-2005	#4
koba Optical Media Freak Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: JP-BR-CH now living in Tokyo, JP Posts: 1,066	Re: DVD-RAM PIE/PIF tests Here some answers to Franz99's questions: 1. The Toshiba-Samsung SD-M1912 can also do error checking on -RAM but the drive shows so many errors that YSS decided not to test with this drive. Panasonic A10-j can also do error checking on -Ram when using DVDINFOPro (YSS fo unknown reasons did not do this tests). 2. RAM discs are written without verification by burning software. There is no answer to why he did this (could be to check real quality of discs). 3. About the meaning of testing -RAM YSS says that he just testet those without thinking about the meaning (More kind of just for fun thing). 4. It seems that none of the drives or software could give the MID on the OPTODISC -RAM. Same goes with Maxel discs. Panasonic and Maxell produce their -RAM discs in their facilities over here in Japan.

07-12-2005	#5
franz99 MyCE Resident Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: EUROPE Posts: 710	Re: DVD-RAM PIE/PIF tests Thanks a lot Koba !

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13-12-2005	#12
HenryNettles MyCE Resident Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sealy, TX Posts: 1,009	Re: DVD-RAM PIE/PIF tests Ooops! Looks like I mis-spoke. I have been able to run the "create data disc" test under CDSpeed, but not the "disc quality test". Too many drives, too many parameters, my memory is failing. My apologies for the misinformation.

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