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If my memory serves me correctly, and sometimes it does not, there is already a thread on this issue somewhere in this section.
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If my memory serves me correctly, and sometimes it does not, there is already a thread on this issue somewhere in this section.
a thread? 'a' thread? try a few thousand threads, i'll yell you whats better than both +R and -R tying people who ask that question up to a lamp post and pouring hot tar over them.




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as you can see its been asked just a few times in the past search should give you all the info you need.
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a thread? 'a' thread? try a few thousand threads,
I for mercy. I should have said atleast one thread since I joined, there were most probably loads before that. Please don't hurt me
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R

my preference is the + because i'm just a positive kind of guy...

also please note - two DVD -'s do not make a DVD + ...
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R

I use both formats and not because one format is better then the other.
I use "-" if i cant get "+" and i use "+" when i cant get "-".
One thing i like for "-" is the very low PIF rate.
For DVD+R the bitsetting is nice.
Oh and if forgot to mention that i had no probs with both formats.
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R

nytvd your 64 x 64 is actually only 61 x 64, thought you'd like to know
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Mr. Brownstone - i am not at liberty to tell u where the other 3 pixels are...

the avatar is a result of my frustration after trying to upload various pics and getting the accursed - "this image is too big...." message.

actualy i'm surprised i got so close to 64x64...
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i did but got no reply...
any way it's no big deal, i kinda like it the way it is now...
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DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

I know there's many threads discussing which is a better format. But there's still no definite answer yet. I don't care too much about tech details or compatibility (both seems good enough). But since they are using different kind of dye, I wonder if there's any difference between their storage time.

I read some post recomending DVD+R for movies & DVD-R for data. My understanding is that a movie DVD can tolerant much more error than a data disc. So, is it that DVD-R is more reliable?
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

who knows! the only thing we can be sure of is the better quality dvd-r and dvd+r will last longer than the crap ones.
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arkhan, i think it's the other way around, and not because of media reliability, but because of DVD player compatibility.
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

That's funny, since according to the "reports" DVD-R is compatible with a higher percentage of DVD players desbite DVD+R's the bit-setting ability.

I guess there won't be a definite answer unless after a few years and the observations of which dies quicker afloats.
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

As I understand it not all writers are capable of bitsetting, therefore the discs ability is not realy of much use in those cases.

Which lasts longer well that's debatable. Many things play a part, storage conditions being one, I have a realy crappy Burnstar (anyone remember them?) and it is still readable now after nearly 18 months.

As arkhan says I doubt there will be a definative for quite a while yet.
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

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Um ... same dye people!!! The question is not relevant.

Technically though, DVD+R is a better format, hence the disc will be readable longer even though the dye disintegrates.
DVD-R doesn't have better compatability. That was only relevant upto 2 years ago. If you read anywhere that DVD-R is better, you are reading an "Internet vampire".

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This might be a too common question, but as far as quality goes which is better? This article claims that +r discs are better - http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113 If that's the case, then why are most people using DVD-R dics with a dual format burner???
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Quality is the same. If you buy Taiyo Yuden DVD+R you get the same dye as Taiyo Yuden DVD-R for the same generation of discs.

DVD+R format is technically superior, meaning that despite the degradation of the dye/substrate, a DVD+R disc will remain readable longer.

However, if you compare at TY DVD-R with a generic (princo) DVD+R the DVD-R is better.
Alternatively, if you compare a princo DVD-R with a TY DVD+R, DVD+R is better.
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

for those who've had DVD stand-alones for more than 2 years (plenty of people) it's not irrelevant....
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That's funny, since according to the "reports" DVD-R is compatible with a higher percentage of DVD players desbite DVD+R's the bit-setting ability.
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R which lives longer?

If you own an expensive DVD player, which you are unwilling to upgrade frivolously, and it supports only DVD-R, you don't have a choice, hence the question is irrelevant.

If you own a relatively cheap DVD player, like 90% of the world, which supports both, but has crappy reading & piss-poor error correction capabilities, DVD+R has a longer lastability due to the better error correction in the format.

On a technical standpoint, comparing apples for apples, neither last longer, they are the same dye & compounds.
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as Gary Kokkin pointed out already, this thread and most all threads like this one are a waste of everyone's time...Seacrest OUT!!!! lol
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Re: DVD+R vs. DVD-R

I received this by e-mail yesterday from one of my media suppliers :


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Advantages of DVD+R over DVD-R


1) DVD+R is a newer standard than DVD-R and is the format that has the industry heavyweights behind it i.e. HP, Philips, SONY, Pioneer etc.

2) DVD+R and DVD+RW can be read on all but the oldest DVD Players, DVD Burners and games consoles without a problem and often outperform even the best DVD-R discs.

3) Market research show that DVD+R format is expected to overtake DVD-R production in the next year and it's already the format of choice in Western Europe (Germany, Scandanavia, Benelux) with over 60% of discs sold being the DVD+R format.

4) DVD+R video performance is generally better than DVD-R with faster chapter skipping, more consistent performance with better error handling. This stringent quality is built on technological advancements of it's creator, Philips - the inventor of the CD. As only the largest manufacturers are licensed by Philips to make it, the quality of DVD+R tends to be much better than that of DVD-R.

5) DVD+R discs will burn at the rated speed without generally any changes required to the firmware. As only the top manufacturers are making the majority of the world's output of DVD+R, compatability is guaranteed on almost all new NEC's, Pioneers, SONY, Lite On's etc.

6) Almost all the major drive manufacturers support +R and if you have bought a drive in the last 2 years, chances are your burner will support +R.

7) DVD+R disc are no more expensive than DVD-R discs and in some cases are even better value. Discs such as the Ridisc 4X DVD+R (Ricoh code) can quite happily burn at 8X without any drop of quality. 8X DVD+R Discs such as the Datawrite/Datasafe/Bulkpaq/Titanium (MCC/prodisc dye) can quite happily burn at 12X which offers incredibly "bang for the buck".

8) Forever at the forefront of technology, Philips - inventor of DVD+R - has championed DVD+R as the replacement to CD-R. This is why DVD+R was the format that was first to market 16X, Dual Layer, 8x Rewritable discs and soon 16X DVD+RW.

9) DVD+R/DVD+RW discs are now fast becoming the standard for set top DVD recorders from the likes of SONY, Philips etc. DVD+R W is slated to be the replacement for the VHS tape.
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Pioneer is very much a backer of -R

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Doesn't really matter ... both work great with good quality disks. And both are crap when using poor quality disks.
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Doesn't really matter ... both work great with good quality disks. And both are crap when using poor quality disks.
I agree totally. I couldn't have said it better myself. Well, maybe I could have, but this is easier.
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