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Blank Media Discuss, The difference between DVD-R and DVD+R at Consumables forum; If you are using an LG 4163, it won't overspeed any 8X -R media, AFAIK, but a lot of 8x +R media can be overspeeded to 12x, including Maxell (MAXELL002) I am using A102 firmware - not sure if A103 is out yet officialy. __________________ AOpen 1648 AAP Pro **

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If you are using an LG 4163, it won't overspeed any 8X -R media, AFAIK, but a lot of 8x +R media can be overspeeded to 12x, including Maxell (MAXELL002)

I am using A102 firmware - not sure if A103 is out yet officialy.
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Originally Posted by Rambaud
If you are using an LG 4163, it won't overspeed any 8X -R media, AFAIK, but a lot of 8x +R media can be overspeeded to 12x, including Maxell (MAXELL002)

I am using A102 firmware - not sure if A103 is out yet officialy.
I just burnt Alien V Predator last night with Nero and after it finished the screen that came up said 12X, I didn't change anything in the speed box, it was checked for maximum. This was with A100 FW. Hope this isn't too long but here is an excerpt from the Nero History file. Like you said this was with +R, I don't have any -R media....yet
Disc Application Code: 0 / 0 h
Extended Information indicators: 3 h
Disc Manufacturer ID: RICOHJPN
Media type ID: R02
Product revision number: 3
Number of Physical format information bytes in use in ADIP up to byte 63: 56
Media Specific [16..63]:
00 00 03 52 49 43 4F 48 - 4A 50 4E 52 30 32 03 38 ...RICOHJPNR02.8
23 54 37 18 00 3E 6E 00 - 70 62 15 15 0B 0B 08 08 #T7..>n.pb......
01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................

9:10:31 PM #16 Text 0 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4643
Drive: HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B
Book Type request: DVD-ROM
Changing the Book Type was finished successfully, return code 0

9:10:31 PM #17 CDR -1207 File DVDR.cpp, Line 4577
Book Type automatically set to: DVD-ROM

9:10:31 PM #18 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 4:49,219 (289219ms) -> OK

9:10:31 PM #19 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 628
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes

9:20:32 PM #20 Text 0 File WriterStatus.cpp, Line 115
start writing Lead-Out at LBA 2286092 (22E20Ch), lenght 0 blocks

9:20:32 PM #21 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

9:20:58 PM #22 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

9:20:58 PM #23 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

9:20:58 PM #24 Phase 37 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process completed successfully at 12x (16,620 KB/s)
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Posted: 18-02-2005
Thanks drpino, that was what I was looking for! BIG help. According to this paragraph on the site
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  DVD-R and DVD-RW
DVD-R was the first DVD recording format released that was compatible with standalone DVD Players.
DVD-R is a non-rewriteable format and it is compatible with about 93% of all DVD Players and most DVD-ROMs. 
DVD-RW is a rewriteable format and it is compatible with about 80% of all DVD Players and most DVD-ROMs. 
DVD-R and DVD-RW supports single side 4.37 computer GB* DVDs(called DVD-5) and double sided 8.75 computer GB* DVDs(called DVD-10).
These formats are supported by DVDForum.
I should be using the -R's for better compatibility, but I haven't had any problems so far with the +R's.
Jim
Last edited by jims47; 18-02-2005 at 23:37. Reason: added more info I left out,duh
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jims47 wrote:
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I haven't had any problems so far with the +R's
That is what is important to you, that you havn't had any problems, and if they are playing fine on all of your players then they will continue to play that way.

jims47 wrote:
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I should be using the -R's for better compatibility
No!

-R's have a highier compatiblity then +R's, but with the option of having Bit-setting, DVD-ROM has a highier compatiblity then -R's.
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you're welcome jims47. what hamp said though and as a result i exclusively use +Rs bitset to -ROM and only burn -Rs for "testing"
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From cdfreaks itself:

http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/113
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I was going to make some backups of my dvd movie collection and i was wondering whether it is better to use DVD-R or DVD+R. Both seem to work in my dvd player, but is one superior to the other for movies? and why?
by the way, i have a 3500A.

Thanks in advance
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I have two 3500's and strongly recommend using only good medias like Ritek, Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim and Maxell-

Check our our Bargin Basement for the current sales in name brand stores like Staples, best Buy, etc-

Best online retailer for good media is www.rima.com or www.newegg.com

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I can't get the DVD -R to work but the DVD +R are working OK. Is there some reason why??
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I can't get the DVD -R to work but the DVD +R are working OK. Is there some reason why??
Which burner, which firmware, which media, which DVD Player and model number? We need more info before we can help you narrow it down.
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Yo-

Forgot to include in my post above that I use the -R medias in my 3500's

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Which burner, which firmware, which media, which DVD Player and model number? We need more info before we can help you narrow it down.
Thanks I guess I sort of figure it out. I needed to compress it more down to the right size. I have a dual layer burner. But I guess I need a dual layer disc to burn more.
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I was going to make some backups of my dvd movie collection and i was wondering whether it is better to use DVD-R or DVD+R. Both seem to work in my dvd player, but is one superior to the other for movies? and why?
by the way, i have a 3500A.

Thanks in advance
The "Trade-Off " I've experienced (using 2500a) is that DVD+R creates
cleaner burns with lower error rates, but they're slightly less compatible
with a large variety of DVD players. DVD-R creates discs that are more
compatible with a wider variety of DVD players, especially older DVD
players, but the discs have a *very* slightly greater incidence of
data errors.

Currently, the only 8.5 Gig dual-layer discs available are DVD+R.
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Yo-

Forgot to include in my post above that I use the -R medias in my 3500's

Mike
hay your slipping up salty.

and for the record i use +R`s
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trying to back up ps2 dvd rom games. Ive been using +r Memorex. Ive made 4 frizbees.? Should i use -r? Using nero6 w/lite on 1673s. First time using Memorex.
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First do you have a modchip or other boot method if so best use dvd-r but in the newer versions dvd+r works also..
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Unfortunately with a Lite-On you can never be sure about burn quality. I'd run a few K-Probes to be sure.
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trying to back up ps2 dvd rom games. Ive been using +r Memorex. Ive made 4 frizbees.? Should i use -r? Using nero6 w/lite on 1673s. First time using Memorex.
Set booktype το DVD-Rom using DVD+R.
If use best media you can buy,you have never have a burn or quality problem in average usage .Advice "media forum"
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For PS2, I would definitely be using DVD-R. A quality DVD-R disc will give you the most flexibility across all versions of PS2. That and Memorex in general are not a good choice for media. Check out http://www.supermediastore.com or http://www.rima.com for great deals on Taiyo Yuden DVD-R. Taiyo Yuden is superb media.
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I was recently told by someone that dvd-r discs will last longer then dvd+r discs...any truth to this?
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and the moon is made out of cheese



dont always beleive what u hear i dont see how one could last longer then the other
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and the moon is made out of cheese
Wensleydale, acording to Wallace & Gromit or was it Double Gloucester


the person that told you minus last longer is obviously biest towards them, it all depends on quality of burn + quality or media + storage conditions = life of media.
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ako was Wensleydale.

Though I have to agree with the equation for life of DVD. I have some crappy media (Burnstar any one remember them) and the data is still readable, as I stored them properly, I have some good media and the data ia unreadable as I stored them incorrectly, left them on the radiator and the heating kicked on while I was away for a couple of days, as a test as I had some in full sunlight my living room window faces south, and had some in the freezer. I was curious to see what would happen.
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as a test as I had some in full sunlight my living room window faces south, and had some in the freezer. I was curious to see what would happen.
is the test still on going?
for sure UV light kills media, as the inks used are organic, i wounder how the frozen ones are.
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