Brands and disc types that are fake Taiyo Yudens.

poll:

1) how many of these fake TY brands are being created and traded by E-Net?

2) when TY will knock on the door of Flash?

Why should TY knock on my door except to bring me some more genuine TYG02 media ?
I only test the media that is sent to me I do not manufacture it or have any connections with any manufacturing company, I am a retired pensioner that does the media testing and reviews to keep my mind occupied to help prevent me from going senile (some of you who wish to insult me may say it is not working just because you are thick & do not understand)
TYG are just 3 letters of the alphabet as is TDK & TTG and as such there is no copywrite so anyone can use the 3 letters in their media codes. The authenticity comes when you use the media and it either lives up to your expectations or not. A 3 letter code in the mid of DVD media is NOT FAKE it is there to identify the media as having been produced on a production line with that particular stamper!

True, a 3 letter code is not "fake", but the marketing and promotion of a particular DVDR media as "made by Taiyo Yuden", when in fact it is not made by or related to Taiyo Yuden Corporation whatsover, is definitely "fake".
I'm sure that many readers will find this thread helpful in order to identify some of these unscrupulous media companies and vendors.

Most of the fake stuff can be tracked down to infosmart.
Hyundai is made by Infosmart. I posted the proof on cdrlabs forum. So If people are interested then take a look over there. I am to lazy to dig it up at the moment.

Now about legal terms.
It depends in the case of Maxell, TDK, MCC/MKM/FUJI/PHILIPS the companny fakeing stuff is much more in problems. Since these are protected brands.

TYG code state however is more unclair. Maybe some legal folks with sources for -R rules can check it.
For the YUDEN CODE I know that it's fake. Reason is put below the quote.

Bullshit if you check my link at cdrlabs posted under RJW. You will see that Hyundai is made by Infosmart. Now what's the id on Hyundai media. Yes it's the same id that is used by TY. Now I can't say a thing for -R since I do not know how the rules apply.
But for +R. The YUDEN code is a TY exclusive. People should check Philips.
In this case infosmart is abuseing it unless they got permission from TY.
Knoweing TY I don't think it's the case. So in this case the media is indeed fake.

So like I allways say people first do some research and then claime.

Bulkpaq -R 8x :

Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [TYG02]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]

** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 10 66 78 80 00 .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG02..........
0020 : 05 aa a2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0e 11 87 78 80 00 ..."" .......x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 13 0d 10 0e 07 00 ................
0040 : 09 97 07 0d 0b 78 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 .....x..........
0050 : 0b 06 18 17 85 78 75 00 0c d6 89 a8 92 01 20 00 .....xu....... .



LOL !
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Budget -R 1-8x :

Disc Type : [DVD-R]
Manufacturer ID : [TYG02]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]

** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
0000 : 01 40 c1 fd 9e d8 52 00 02 87 0d 10 66 78 80 00 .@....R.....fx..
0010 : 03 54 59 47 30 32 00 00 04 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 .TYG02..........
0020 : 05 aa a2 22 22 20 02 00 06 08 0e 11 87 78 80 00 ..."" .......x..
0030 : 07 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 08 06 13 0d 10 0e 07 00 ................
0040 : 09 97 07 0d 0b 78 88 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 10 00 .....x..........
0050 : 0b 06 18 17 85 78 75 00 0c d6 89 a8 92 01 20 00 .....xu....... .
0060 : 0d 10 00 d0 00 00 00 00 0e 09 21 35 2d 29 1b 00 ..........!5-)..
0070 : 0f 50 1b 2b 1d 97 b5 00 10 88 84 00 04 00 04 00 .P.+............
0080 : 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 12 09 2d 35 2d 2b 1a 00 ..........-5-+..
0090 : 13 50 1d 2b 1f 97 b5 00 14 88 80 00 00 00 00 00 .P.+............



LOL !
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Former ( 4x ) Gigatain +R :

Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [IS01]
Manufacturer Name : [Unknown Manufacturer ID]
Media Type ID : [001]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 10816 KBPS ( 8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 8112 KBPS ( 6.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 5408 KBPS ( 4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #4 = 3245 KBPS ( 2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 01 49 53 30 31 00 00 00 00 30 30 31 00 38 ...IS01....001.8
0020 : 23 54 37 13 02 4a 71 02 90 66 16 16 0b 0b 0a 0a #T7..Jq..f......
0030 : 01 1c 1e 0b 0c 12 12 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 02 26 60 38 06 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01 ..88.&`8.0".. ..
0050 : 00 00 02 26 60 38 06 30 22 10 08 20 1c 01 00 00 ...&`8.0".. ....

Kinda hard to believe they've all of a sudden switched to TY.

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Last edited by BoSkin; 15-11-2004 at 22:06.

Is there such a thing as fake T-Y CD-R with the frosted inner ring? Or is the inner ring a definite authenticity mark? I want to know if my CD-R from blankmedia.ca are genuine or not. They do have that frosted ring and one of the serial numbers is LN350A0017080.

I don't have any lite-on or similar drive to test for C1/C2 errors and such.

Your serial is correct and the frosted inner ring would make it good enough to identify these as genuine stuff. Also Blankmedia.ca is a quite respectable shop and I don't think this one would fool ya.

Are the TY CDR's at SVP fake?

Those look real to me. Trademark TY cakebox.

Thanks! Is there some sort of guide that tells you how to identify a correct s/n for a T-Y CD-R? I only see info for DVDR in this thread.

hmmm, so far all TY CD-Rs I have seen feature a milky inner ring - however, that should be easy enough to fake...

If I'm right the milky inner ring is patent protected.
If that is true, then fakeing it will cause real problems (unlike fakeing the atip !)

Is that... a guess?

There is all kinds of counterfeitting going on in Hong Kong. Look at all the illegal movies coming out of there from pirate DVD production plants. They don't care about copyright and know how to avoid the law. Supposedly there is some legal loophole in HK that allows this, but I am no lawyer.

"Patent protected" means nothing to pirates and counterfeitters.

Well I heard/read that one once. At the moment I don't have any time to search this one up. Still I will do some research on it as soon as I got more time.
(But I think I got my hands full allready at this time. (read dvd identifier / Beall issue )

It won't be the first time that TY sues a companny because of abuse of there legal properties. So if TY knows and they can do something about it they will take action.

Red Budget DVD+R 8x = Fake TY

Hi T-Mess

At SVP we don't sell any discs with fake TY codes.

When the Mirror discs became TY code we stopped selling them.
When the Datawrite reds and Bulkpaq oranges were available with fake TY codes we didn't stock them.
When we were offered the Gigatain discs we tested them and turned them down.
You can be assured that any disc you see on our site with a TY code is a genuine TY disc.

Not stocking these discs has probably cost us some money in sales in the short term, but hopefully will win us customers trust in the long term.

Steve

It's made by Infosmart

what about XLIFE (YUDEN000-T02)? 25 printable in Cakebox, 18.50EUR
http://www.os-mediatrade.de/product_...60787f4850a2ff

That type of cake box does not look like real TY.

The box looks just like the same I received from the same shop filled with silver TY CD-R's. And nearly same box than my OEM TY's from the same shop too...

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Last edited by jorma; 02-12-2004 at 12:23. Reason: better grammar I guess..

Does anyone know for sure whether or not Sonic DVD-R are fake?

http://www.shop4tech.com/user.htm?go...eviews&id=2687

Sure seems like it to me.

real manufacturer: Infosmart


Real manufacturer infosmart. Since 2 out of 3 are infosmart they could all of a sudden switched to the TY code.

And yes the SONIC's TY disc's are also Fake !!!
About the X-life. Hmm first information it suggests that these are real but coated by a third party. However untill I have seen any serials I wouldn't trust them.

Taiyo Yuden DVDR media ordered from rima.com is genuine, correct?

100% correct. I have seen and read many good reports about rima's customer service, thankfully I have never had a need to see for myself. All TY media I have ordered from them is legit (proper serial numbers, Classic TY cake boxes). As far as ordering media online (I am in the US) Rima is my #1 choice.