Brands and disc types that are fake Taiyo Yudens.

and how are we supposed to know?

My burning experience -> about 600 DVD's per month. Been using burners for 8 years. Once worked in a CDR duplication job, burning many 10s of thousands CDR per month

Branded Label -> PrimeOn
Printed coler -> Matt finish silver
Other printing -> around top edge -> below that in very small print sez: . Continues w/NO other printing, no lines, nothing.

Purchased -> CDR Winkel.com (Germany)

DVD Identifier results :

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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Inner ring code -> NONE (NO TG nor GG code)
Other printed codes -> On burnable side, you can see reversed letters & numbers comprised of 2 & 3 character groupings, total 14 charactgers, seperated by - _ and :
As the top side is overprinted heavy matt silver, and I doubt it's important I didn't bother trying to figure what that said.

Misc notes: The dye, rather than being precisely sprayed like TY I've used in past, shows irregular edges where the dye ends in the center of the media. The spacing around the outside edge, between the edge and start of dye, is wider than other real TY I've used.
Overall the workmanship looks poor when placed next to the Fuji TY I've been using. The inner "rings" are totally different that the Fuji TY, rather than looking precise, they look "cheap"

After going through many Fuju labeled TY (having the same ID codes as these), and having NOT one bad burn in 600 media, I found these very suspecious as they don't have the normal TG / GG code found on all TY I've used.

The burn tests were done with Nero on
1) NEC 3500
2) BENQ 1620

THe computer was in perfect condition for burning, defragged HDDs, etc etc.

Every burn on either burner resulted in unrecoverable read errors around 65-70% (which I haven't seen in my own burning in years).

Immediately after the test, I reburned the exact same compilations, using the Fuji TY. Results -> excellent burns, no read errors, no problems.

Went back to the PrimeOn. Again, unrecoverable read errors.

My conclusion: These are fake TaiyoYuden, and certainly not even A grade media. Avoid them like the plague at any price.

So I assume these are genuine Taiyo Yudens, then? Please respond. With all the fake Taiyo Yudens out there, I'm never quite sure.

That's why Ioriginally ordered them, because they've given me such good results, which is why I was so annoyed at getting these TY fakes. Either way, I've contacted CD-RMedia and I was told last week they'd be refunding me for them (must chase that up), and that the new stock they have in is back to being Prodisc.

... drat.. this vBulletin forum won't allow post editing .... arghhh....

anway a couple posts up from here. I posted about counterfeit T-Y branded : PrimeOn from CDR Winkel.com ...
Apparently they already figured this out on their own, or from other clients and have taken the media immediately off their website. Nice to know they are honest.

From what I gather - if you bought any of this media from them, you probably can return it in exchange for other media.

I reported CDRWINKEL (DAKHAAS /MISTER X post I don't know which I used.) and put a comment about them probally being made by MAM-E and not TY. However they then responded back with a comment that the disc's were real taiyo yuden like FUJI.

However today I mailed them again after they removed the disc's from the site but still do list them on the frontpage.

I got a e-mail back and they said it was MAM-E who made the disc's and that MAM-E has a agreement with Taiyo Yuden to use the code. (That one still isn't completely cleared yet. But I hope to clear that one soon.)

They also said that the quality and that it was not as good as FUJI and they are currently searching for a new option of getting real Taiyo Yuden disc's.

Yes, I am positive that these are genuine Taiyo Yudens, 4X DVD-R's that SuperMediaStore.com sells. Though they have the GD000XXX serial numbers which does not seemed to be the norm. I have never seen burn quality this good except with Taiyo Yudens.

If you are talking about the PrimeOn branded . fake TYs sold by CRDWinkel. I GUARANTEE you that NO ONE has permission from Taiyo Yuden to use TY codes. If you want to check then contact TY in Japan and they'll tell you that I speak the truth. They protect their quality and NO ONE is allowed to make phony TY. That is a load of B.S. TY is ONLY made by TY in Japan, and while they OEM media (meaning make it for Fuji or whoever to brand as their own. their code remains ONLY for TY made media.

As for the PrimeOn branded media with TY code, it is JUNK. total junk, not even A grade Taiwan grade. Demand a return. Pay for an upgrade to the Fuji TY that CDR Winkel has still available.

@dakhaas.. also another m8 of mine bought some of those fake TYs - PrimeOn labeld.. and couldn't get one of them to burn . He brought a couple to me. I couldn't get them to burn on my SATA Plextors

Hi Guys
Anyone know if the 'Datasafe Pro (Taiyo Yuden) - ADVDINFO: TYG02' selling at SVP are genuine?
(http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/acatalog/dvd-rprint.html).
They just seem too cheap to be true!!

Hmm - They cost more than the genuine TY's. If you look close there is a link to a review

http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Review...t-id-149.phtml

£4.99 for ten doesn't seem cheap to me

Thanks for the replies, I should have looked more closely, I thought it said £4.99 for 25!!
I have found another fake to watch out for. They are the 'DATAON DVD-R 8x SPEED PRINTABLE'. I found them on sale at aprmedia.com. They claimed to be made by 'Taiyo Yuden Inc' with a manufacturer code of 'TYG02' at a price of £10.58 for 50!
I emailed them to ask for confirmation they were genuine and asked if they could give me an example of a serial number off one of the disks. I have received no reply but the next day the TY information has been removed from the website so I guess they know these are fakes.

So what do you think about this?
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/11930

Doe anyone know if there is a website that you don't have to wonder whether they are real Tys or not. Someone memioned Rima.com. Has anyone ever done business with them and can I depend on there so called Made in Taiyo Yudens factory in Japan promise.

Yes, Rima is always 100% legitimate. In Canada, NCIX.com and Blankmedia.ca also only sell 100% legitimate Taiyo Yuden (although I can't guarentee other items).

Here's what I think (my reaction is also at the link page):

there are no “laws” that limit the use of MID codes – anyone can use any code without gaining the “rights”, (from the Engineering Manager from MAM-A)

Hm...if I want to publicly show a movie, I have to pay for the 'rights' to do so; if I want the 'right' to use the name, I have to pay to do so BEFORE I use it; if I want to open a Dunkin' Donuts, I have to pay x amount of $$$ for the franchise, THEN have corporate train me at their 'school' on exactly how to make them and to order only ingredients from their list of approved vendors, or the quality suffers and so does Dunkin' Donuts' reputation. This is clearly double-speak from this VP, and because of such lies he puts forth, it would be smart not to buy anything MAM-A, because by his own admission, he leaves MAM-A a back door to use fake codes to try to fool us users--if we don't check the codes or test the burns against the 'real TYs.' grrrr

This is why I tell people that although it can be a pain, that they should test their burns. That way, you know when it's quality media or not.

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Last edited by Quema34; 09-06-2005 at 21:40. Reason: add why testing is important

I've heard two stores mentioned in another forum somewhere (supermediastore and Rima.com). Both are highly rated elsewhere for purchasing media, BUT I also read where someone was sent fake or wrong media (that was supposed to be a genuine brand) or something and supermediastore was going to charge him a 15% restocking fee, although he also found out Rima.com would not do that and has a far better return/refund policy. Just based on that, I would say Rima would be the better choice.

I and other folks did and we're still waiteing for a reaction, which will probally not come. Why would it take more then 2 months (first mail) to answer this ?
However with MAM-A putting out a answer we're trying to get TY to get TY comments on it.

So if you got the magic persons who will answer us when we're talking about TY then let me know. Or ask TY yourself and put the answer up.
Really I have contacted TY germanny and Japan.
TY Germanny responded back and would forward it to Japan however Japan doesn't want to answer about the comments.

Also I still don't have a official word from MAM-E (European devision) even after some folks promised me the answers to this and some other questions.

If you read well between the lines. Everything is still possible.
MAM-A press release does have the opening for abuse.

TY's information on site only guarantees for the That's brand that is if you read it correct.

A few things.
There seem to be folks who think differently about that MID's are not free to use.

Oh and cdrwinkel is selling the Primeons again (stated with Taiyo Yuden behind them. So it seems that MAM-E has proofed them they got the rights. The big question is why proof the store if your still vague about your end users ?)

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Last edited by dakhaas; 14-06-2005 at 13:06.

just thought i let you know the datasafe pros from svp are not fake i got some and on the dvd blank has two codes printed on the clear center and just on the inside dye rim
both codes have GG in the serial number and thay are

clear plastic rim code : WC52A(405748GG) i can just make out the 8 last numbers and letters in brackets which i know for a fact as its a bitch to see these numbers as these a very small and clear the other numbers not in brackets i think are right at the but i can not be to sure as its hard to read them

dye rim code: GG000110

There's no way I can see how MIDs are free to use, as that Engineering Manager at MAM-A claims. No company I've ever heard of lets its names, information, etc. without having some kind of agreement and not receiving significant $$$ from the company who wants to use it. If MAM-A had such an agreement with TY, then they should say so, not say that 'it's perfectly alright to use any MID code to guide the writer to use the best writing strategy for that disk.'

By the way, one translation of 'mama' in Spanish is that 'it sucks.'; the same goes for 'mame,' although that's the command form of 'to suck.' And I'm NOT kidding. So, if that company was smart, it would change it's name in a hurry, too.

Thanks!

if it burns well then that's all you need to know. a fake one is always crappy quality that won't burn well at 8x or 12x. then with all these frenzy consumer wanting to purchase taiyo yuden exclusively, i can see why most manufacturers are wanting to make the same quality disc for less. all in all if it burns well, i have no complaint

for the paranoid, so even if it burns well it is still fake if it doesn't say made in japan? the hell with that. the quality of the media is all that matters!
you bought TY because the quality is superb but that shouldn't limit your purchasing to only one brand of media.

I bought from a shop a "remaining" stock of the now oldier
only 4x certified DVD+R of MID code "YUDEN000-T01-000"

They burn well but they are MAXELL branded
I hope they are not fakes !

These days the reviews of the new 16x burners dont test anymore these oldier MID codes,
so I hope that these 4x certified T01 burn still as well as the 8x certified T02 in the new burners or do they not ?





The one I have are not inkjet printable like on this photo
The indications on the disc itself are:
inner hub: 6B417 N0543 9PB
outer: TS00075 - 0804

In this shop you still find
these Panasonic 4x certified DVD-R with mid code: TYG01





They are also genuine made by Tayio Yuden, no doubt ??

Anyway where there
already a lot of fakes around during the period of 4x certified dyes
like these TYG01 and "Yuden000-T01" ?