Best BD-R for Data use only?

SilverBlade2k · 04-03-2012

I'm really new into burning Blu-Ray discs (only got my burner this week).

So far, I've purchased Verbatim Hub Printable 6X BD-R, but I want to keep these for movie backups only, as I've researched that these are the most reliable for movie playback.

Is there a brand of printable BD-R that is reliable for data use, but isn't as expensive as the Verbatim's I got?

**Kerry56** · 04-03-2012

Try these Smart Blu disks: http://www.mediamegamall.com/smartbl...5-p-27686.html

They have a good reputation around here, and I've had no problems with them, though I've only burned a few so far. The ones I have are not the inkjet printable variety. Same quality however.

A good quality disk will be fine to use for data or movies by the way. The type of information on the disk isn't a factor in whether it burns well, or retains data over time.

**deanwitty** · 04-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBlade2k

I'm really new into burning Blu-Ray discs (only got my burner this week).

So far, I've purchased Verbatim Hub Printable 6X BD-R, but I want to keep these for movie backups only, as I've researched that these are the most reliable for movie playback.

Is there a brand of printable BD-R that is reliable for data use, but isn't as expensive as the Verbatim's I got?

You didn't mention what you paid for the Verbs. Good choice.

I've burned most of the brands out there and tested for good video playback, your Verbs and the Smartblu's Kerry linked to have been the most reliable for burn quality and playback performance in the $2.00/ea. or less IJP category. The SmartBlu print surface is FTI's, one of the best. They are wide sputtered like the Verbs(not clear behind the hub print area).

The Smartblu's have also been subjected to accelerated aging tests that indicate they may be one of the better choices for long term data storage(my own are looking great coming up to 2 years). They are essentially Made in Japan TDK 4x BD-R's, one of the few discs that I don't see longevity complaints about and have seen reports of like-new performance after 2 years. I would not risk my data to anything else in this price range, too many people are reporting disc failures at 1-2 years out with the alternatives.

SilverBlade2k · 04-03-2012

I guess I should justify my question a bit more.

I tend to use the very good "premium" brands (like TY or Verbatim) for movie backups, and tend to use the brands that are maybe one step down like TDK for Data (like mp3's), for example. Data can changed, and outdated, so having the 'premium' brands isn't as important on data (for me anyways). Most often I find software that I acquired 2-3 years ago I don't use because it's outdated, or songs I got 2-3 years ago I don't listen to anymore.

**deanwitty** · 04-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverBlade2k

I guess I should justify my question a bit more.

I tend to use the very good "premium" brands (like TY or Verbatim) for movie backups, and tend to use the brands that are maybe one step down like TDK for Data (like mp3's), for example. Data can changed, and outdated, so having the 'premium' brands isn't as important on data (for me anyways). Most often I find software that I acquired 2-3 years ago I don't use because it's outdated, or songs I got 2-3 years ago I don't listen to anymore.

You need to know that some of the cheaper IJP's are not lasting even 1 year.

If you absolutely need inexpensive for data, the 79 cents/ea. labeled Smartblu's would be your best bet.

BD-R manufacturers have been cutting corners on quality with BD-R production frighteningly quickly, and others in this price range are proving to be too variable in quality and too often a waste of time and money.

In terms of your DVD comparison, the labeled SmartBlu's are comparable to your TY and Verbs, many others can be far worse than your TDK's for good/coaster ratio and longevity.

staringatthesky · 04-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kerry56

Try these Smart Blu disks: http://www.mediamegamall.com/smartbl...5-p-27686.html

They have a good reputation around here, and I've had no problems with them, though I've only burned a few so far. The ones I have are not the inkjet printable variety. Same quality however.

A good quality disk will be fine to use for data or movies by the way. The type of information on the disk isn't a factor in whether it burns well, or retains data over time.

I just ordered 60 SmartBlu branded BDR's. I hope they're as good as people are saying. I've got a crap load of data I need to back up.

**deanwitty** · 05-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by staringatthesky

I just ordered 60 SmartBlu branded BDR's. I hope they're as good as people are saying. I've got a crap load of data I need to back up.

Welcome to the forum

Which burner are you using? Generally speaking, burning at rated speed will give you the cleanest/most durable burns. However, Pioneer BD-R burner firmwares seem to be tweaked to burn TDK/SmartBlu best at 6-8x speed.
My Smartblu discs are holding up great after 2 years.

*_chef_* · 05-07-2012

Best BD-R for Data use only?

Its all data anyway.

**deanwitty** · 05-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

Best BD-R for Data use only?

Its all data anyway.

That's true. But I can understand the OP's quest for cheaper media that might be good enough to last a few years but not a good choice for smooth video playback. In the world of DVDs, I'm sure many of us have run into media that couldn't be trusted for reliable movie playback but burned well enough to tempt us to use it for casual data back-ups(I don't recommend anyone take such gambles). Blu-ray is a little different. The error correction code with Blu-ray is more robust than DVD, and I believe this narrows and almost eliminates that grey area of "good enough for data". If a disc has high enough errors to challenge a set-top's ability to read it's data, I would not be willing to trust even "casual" back-ups on it.

*SubZero* · 07-07-2012

I think I would rather stick with Verbatim for both data and video. Data loss avoidance is worth extra cost of quality Verbatim brand I feel.

staringatthesky · 09-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Welcome to the forum

Which burner are you using? Generally speaking, burning at rated speed will give you the cleanest/most durable burns. However, Pioneer BD-R burner firmwares seem to be tweaked to burn TDK/SmartBlu best at 6-8x speed.
My Smartblu discs are holding up great after 2 years.

I'm using an LG LSH 10LS30.
I just burned 4 smartblu's with no problems. (I burned at 4X).
It's great to hear that these discs last a long time. It would really suck to have another hard drive die and not have my back-up data due to the discs dying on me.

**deanwitty** · 11-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubZero

I think I would rather stick with Verbatim for both data and video. Data loss avoidance is worth extra cost of quality Verbatim brand I feel.

Verbatim does not promote their BD-R for archival use. There is a significant market for archival media, and they would certainly promote it to that market if they could show testing evidence that indicated it might be fit for that purpose. Do not allow brand loyalty to lead you to incorrect assumptions. I ran across a member on another forum who took the time to test his aging burns, and he ran into 29% of VERBATIMc BD-R that could not be ripped back to hard drive at 1 1/2 to 3 years old. I certainly don't take one user's data as definitive, but if Verbatim cannot recommend them for long-term storage, I don't think we should.

Quote:

Originally Posted by staringatthesky

I'm using an LG LSH 10LS30.
I just burned 4 smartblu's with no problems. (I burned at 4X).
It's great to hear that these discs last a long time. It would really suck to have another hard drive die and not have my back-up data due to the discs dying on me.

The LG drives have been doing an excellent job with burning them. My oldest burns were done with an LG WH10LS30. You should be in good shape with your back-ups. For high-priority data, test a few of them every 6 months with a transfer rate test and by ripping them back to your hard drive. You can't be too careful.

*_chef_* · 11-07-2012

Bring them godlike SmartBLUs to europe, dear!!!

galneon · 12-07-2012

So these SmartBlus at MMM, are the silver lacquer non-printables the same MID and quality as the printables? I'm about to order some if so...

These, for example: http://www.mediamegamall.com/smartbl...5-p-27685.html

**deanwitty** · 12-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by _chef_

Bring them godlike SmartBLUs to europe, dear!!!

LOL

I keep hoping to see a post from pepst that he has found private label FTIs in your neighborhood

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by galneon

So these SmartBlus at MMM, are the silver lacquer non-printables the same MID and quality as the printables? I'm about to order some if so...

These, for example: http://www.mediamegamall.com/smartbl...5-p-27685.html

I've been told that they are all the same grade, and yes they are the same MID (TDKBLD RBB). My results with them have been very good, but I only tested one spindle just to satisfy my own curiosity. I go through lots of the printables. Our member jadburner has posted many results with the silvers. It certainly appears that they are in fact all the same level of quality.

galneon · 12-07-2012

Thanks man. Order I shall, then.

*SubZero* · 17-07-2012

Verbatim Data Life Plus is not sufficient?

Of all media I have ever use, I have had best quality burns with Verbatim, lowest error rate on DVD movies with their DVD-R too. I burn to Verbatim DVD-R and almost every single movie I make have no problem in playback in just about any device I try. Cannot say that for any other media I try.

But I have not done long-term read test. It never occur to me as it seem I can still read all disc. I have mostly Sony Optiarc drive - do not know if that would make differences.

**deanwitty** · 18-07-2012

This thread was only addressing BD-Rs. Verbatim(or anyone) BD-R materials/designs have no relation to their DVDs. Or CDs. Independent testing has placed Verbatim BD-R dependability below others like Sony, TDK/FTI, Panasonic. And better than Ritek, MBI, CMC.

We were simply discussing the best options for data back-up, and there is some evidence that Verbatim may not be the best bang-for-your-buck.

I have not had any trouble with Verbatim BD-R for video playback, and I do consider them one of the good choices.

*SubZero* · 20-07-2012

I was unaware that Verbatim was not considered in same light with BD-R as they have been with DVD and CD media. Given how good Verbatim has been, I will be surprised of their failure to continue that standard for BD-R. It is disappointing.

galneon · 20-07-2012

My fourth disc coastered on my WH14NS40 :/

Too soon to dismiss them, though. I'm admittedly spoiled from years of burning over 2,000 TYG02, all good.

**deanwitty** · 21-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by galneon

My fourth disc coastered on my WH14NS40 :/

Too soon to dismiss them, though. I'm admittedly spoiled from years of burning over 2,000 TYG02, all good.

Just out of curiosity, what speed are you burning them and with what software? I've not seen how well the WH14 handles the TDKBLDRBB MID yet, but I've not had a coaster with those in any of my burners. Ever. Hopefully we can tweak your burning to avoid having that happen again. Conversely, if you got a sub-par spindle, you have every right to report this to MMM and have them remedy it.

galneon · 21-07-2012

Two out of eight have coastered so far, both very early :/ Legit MID, ImgBurn, 4x speed.

Code:

I 20:21:54 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 12195967)
W 20:22:23 Failed to Write Sectors 238368 - 238399 - Reason: Write Error
W 20:22:23 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 20:22:23 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
...
W 20:22:23 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 20:22:23 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
E 20:22:37 Failed to Write Sectors 238368 - 238399 - Reason: Write Error
E 20:22:37 Next Writable Address: 0
I 20:22:37 Synchronising Cache...
W 20:22:42 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
E 20:22:42 Failed to Write Image!

Steve33 · 21-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Verbatim BD-R dependability below others like Sony, TDK/FTI, Panasonic. And better than Ritek, MBI, CMC.

We were simply discussing the best options for data back-up, and there is some evidence that Verbatim may not be the best bang-for-your-buck.

Just a quick question and yes, I have looked at write and read graphs....they are all Greek to me...no actually much worse since I do know some ancient Greek....
Is there a thread somewhere on this site that has the better BD-R listed?
Perhaps even the ID numbers and brand numberings.
I would think that would be a useful tool to those that don't plan on learning the art of checking disc burns.
Sony? Really? Still I plan on avoiding that brand whenever possible.

**deanwitty** · 21-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by galneon

Two out of eight have coastered so far, both very early :/ Legit MID, ImgBurn, 4x speed.

Code:

I 20:21:54 Writing Track 1 of 1... (MODE1/2048, LBA: 0 - 12195967)
W 20:22:23 Failed to Write Sectors 238368 - 238399 - Reason: Write Error
W 20:22:23 Retrying (1 of 20)...
W 20:22:23 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
...
W 20:22:23 Retrying (20 of 20)...
W 20:22:23 Retry Failed - Reason: Invalid Address For Write
E 20:22:37 Failed to Write Sectors 238368 - 238399 - Reason: Write Error
E 20:22:37 Next Writable Address: 0
I 20:22:37 Synchronising Cache...
W 20:22:42 User opted to skip the 'Close Track/Session/Disc' functions.
E 20:22:42 Failed to Write Image!

That's a coaster, all right

. Sent a PM to a member who has that drive and SB's for possible tips on best burn speed. You might try going into ImgBurn's "write" settings and unchecking "BD-R verify not required". Not sure how this drive will work with this setting and media, but may help? Have you had a chance to glance at your ImgBurn burn graphs for hints of hardware troubles? It may not be easy to pinpoint whether you're dealing with sub-standard discs or sub-standard burner.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve33

Just a quick question and yes, I have looked at write and read graphs....they are all Greek to me...no actually much worse since I do know some ancient Greek....
Is there a thread somewhere on this site that has the better BD-R listed?
Perhaps even the ID numbers and brand numberings.
I would think that would be a useful tool to those that don't plan on learning the art of checking disc burns.
Sony? Really? Still I plan on avoiding that brand whenever possible.

The graphs are not in Greek, they are in Geek

. There are certainly threads that have tried to determine what is the good stuff. And other websites proclaiming to tell you what is the good stuff based on user feedback. Unfortunately, just about the time you have a good consensus on this, the brand names pull a fast one and switch to another manufacturer to supply their discs, and all previous results are instantly worthless

. Two spindles with the same brand numbering can contain very different discs. "The better BD-R" is a moving target, and constant vigilance is required to keep up with it.
Panasonic, FTI/Falcon, and Ritek have not changed sources over time, I don't consider Ritek a very good option.
Where are you located? Perhaps we can help with some good choices.

The Sony that were highly ranked are SONYNN3 MID discs. Sony has also started packaging other manufacturers discs in their spindles, you might have to purchase from a professional reseller website to be assured of getting them.

Steve33 · 21-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by deanwitty

Where are you located?

I am in U.S.
I just signed in here the other day,
I will work on my profile in the next few days.

04-03-2012	#1
SilverBlade2k MyCE Rookie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 47	Best BD-R for Data use only? I'm really new into burning Blu-Ray discs (only got my burner this week). So far, I've purchased Verbatim Hub Printable 6X BD-R, but I want to keep these for movie backups only, as I've researched that these are the most reliable for movie playback. Is there a brand of printable BD-R that is reliable for data use, but isn't as expensive as the Verbatim's I got?

04-03-2012	#2
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,419	Re: Best BD-R for Data use only? Try these Smart Blu disks: http://www.mediamegamall.com/smartbl...5-p-27686.html They have a good reputation around here, and I've had no problems with them, though I've only burned a few so far. The ones I have are not the inkjet printable variety. Same quality however. A good quality disk will be fine to use for data or movies by the way. The type of information on the disk isn't a factor in whether it burns well, or retains data over time. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

04-03-2012	#4
SilverBlade2k MyCE Rookie Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 47	Re: Best BD-R for Data use only? I guess I should justify my question a bit more. I tend to use the very good "premium" brands (like TY or Verbatim) for movie backups, and tend to use the brands that are maybe one step down like TDK for Data (like mp3's), for example. Data can changed, and outdated, so having the 'premium' brands isn't as important on data (for me anyways). Most often I find software that I acquired 2-3 years ago I don't use because it's outdated, or songs I got 2-3 years ago I don't listen to anymore.

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07-07-2012	#10
SubZero MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 543	I think I would rather stick with Verbatim for both data and video. Data loss avoidance is worth extra cost of quality Verbatim brand I feel.

12-07-2012	#14
galneon MyCE Rookie Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 26	So these SmartBlus at MMM, are the silver lacquer non-printables the same MID and quality as the printables? I'm about to order some if so... These, for example: http://www.mediamegamall.com/smartbl...5-p-27685.html

17-07-2012	#17
SubZero MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 543	Verbatim Data Life Plus is not sufficient? Of all media I have ever use, I have had best quality burns with Verbatim, lowest error rate on DVD movies with their DVD-R too. I burn to Verbatim DVD-R and almost every single movie I make have no problem in playback in just about any device I try. Cannot say that for any other media I try. But I have not done long-term read test. It never occur to me as it seem I can still read all disc. I have mostly Sony Optiarc drive - do not know if that would make differences.

18-07-2012	#18
deanwitty Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The 10th city outside the 2nd City, U.S. Posts: 2,698	This thread was only addressing BD-Rs. Verbatim(or anyone) BD-R materials/designs have no relation to their DVDs. Or CDs. Independent testing has placed Verbatim BD-R dependability below others like Sony, TDK/FTI, Panasonic. And better than Ritek, MBI, CMC. We were simply discussing the best options for data back-up, and there is some evidence that Verbatim may not be the best bang-for-your-buck. I have not had any trouble with Verbatim BD-R for video playback, and I do consider them one of the good choices. __________________ Currently installed for testing: Lite-on DH20A4P-04(9P54) + Sony Optiarc AD-7200A(1.Z3) x2 "You want WHAT? OK, I can do that". + AD-7200S(1Z2) + AD-5280-CB-PLUS(1.Z7) + BenQ DW1650(BCIC) + BenQ DW1640(BSLB) x2 + Lite-on iHAS324-08 A(BL1H) + Asus DRW-24B1LT@iHAS424(ZLC1) + Asus DRW-24B1ST@iHAS324(BL1H) + Plextor PX-760A(1.03) + LG BD-RE WH10LS30(1.00) + Lite-on iHES208(8LOC) + Sammy SH-BO83L(SB01) + Pioneer BDR206(1.05) + Lite-on iHBS112-29(CLOK) + Pioneer BDR-205(1.12) + LG WH12LS39(1.00) + Lite-on iHBS212@Plextor PX-LB950SA(1.02)

20-07-2012	#19
SubZero MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 543	I was unaware that Verbatim was not considered in same light with BD-R as they have been with DVD and CD media. Given how good Verbatim has been, I will be surprised of their failure to continue that standard for BD-R. It is disappointing.

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