Combining dvds onto a blu ray disk

**Kerry56** · 23-07-2012

The only time I've used BDEdit was when looking for correct playlists in existing blu ray structure. So, no, I haven't examined its capabilities at all.

Using mkv's assumes that your player recognizes and plays mkvs. And that it likes standard def mpeg2 in an mkv file (if you are going to put dvds in them). It might expect H264 in an mkv file. The players are getting more versatile though, so this might not be an issue.

Most people are moving to hard drive storage and streaming media players anyway, so free, effective blu ray authoring may never be a reality. At least, not anything more than we have now. I've read that even tsMuxeR is no longer being developed. And it is the cornerstone of most of our free tools working with Blu ray.

Steve33 · 24-07-2012

That's sort of what I have done (hard drive storage) especially for movies running over the storage cap. of 25GB BD.
I am somewhat reluctant to re-encode just so they will fit and
dual-layer cost more than I am willing to pay for them.
My wife and children still prefer discs over hard drives since all that is required is placing the disc in player.

I'll see what I can find out about BDEdit.

**Wombler** · 24-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve33

I'll see what I can find out about BDEdit.

It looks like fairly complicated software but it would be interesting to find out what it's capable of.

Wombler

Steve33 · 25-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wombler

It looks like fairly complicated software but it would be interesting to find out what it's capable of.

Wombler

Me figuring out BDedit on my own... I am likely to be as effective as a monkey creating a Saturn V rocket from scratch.
I have searched for guides....I don't see any.
Arggg....one guide link was to megaupload...figures.

Next, I will look at a bought disc in bdedit and then the simple structure made in this thread...see what differences.
I definitely won't get my hopes up though.
I think the program is supposed to make a menu, let's keep it simple
say a static background with 3 static buttons for 3 titles.
It will likely take some time to do this....

Does Anyone here know anything about BDedit?

**Wombler** · 25-07-2012

I'm pretty good with PgcEdit and DVD structures but have only briefly looked at BDedit so I'm not familiar with Blu-ray structures yet.

It's something that I'd like to get into but never seem to have the time to look at it.

I'll probably get there eventually though.

Wombler

**Kerry56** · 06-08-2012

There have been some recent developments here. The first movie I made, with the three dvds in a series has some interesting issues. Playback of the large dvd seemed fine, and the first movie of the three played back well in blu ray format, but the other two had glitches at each chapter point.

The second combination blu ray that I made from dvds was even stranger, as the first movie stopped playback entirely after about 12 minutes.

So, I'm trying again with the second compilation. The large dvd made from the four movies plays ok. I changed the setting in AVStoDVD to not have chapter points at all (Preferences-->Authoring/Burning-->Chapters Interval set to 999 minutes), since chapter points don't work once shifted into blu ray format anyway. This should avoid any glitches at chapter points. Currently making the blu ray version from the large dvd, so we'll see how it comes out this time.

**Kerry56** · 06-08-2012

Ok, next copy has the same issue. I'll run the large dvd through PGCEdit and FixVTS first this time and see if that has any affect. Not sure it will, since the demuxed video produced by DVD2BD prior to muxing into blu ray format plays properly.

**Kerry56** · 06-08-2012

That didn't work either. And neither did using the demuxed video and audio out of the offending movie and muxing in tsMuxeR then replacing the m2ts file for the bad movie. There is obviously something weird going on in demuxing, remuxing and building the blu ray structure in DVD2BD, since the large dvd plays ok.

Will try using the mpeg file in tsMuxeR to make an m2ts file.

So, conclusion at this point is the process is inconsistent, for unknown reasons. Test your output vigorously before burning anything.

**Kerry56** · 07-08-2012

My latest attempt went perfectly. I combined the three movies of the series into one large dvd using Vob2mpg + AVStoDVD, and using no chapter points. The large dvd plays flawlessly.

The output from DVD2BD is also perfect. No problems in selecting movies in the menu, nor in playback. There is no chapter navigation, but there hasn't been from the start using this program.

So, you can do this whole process and have everything work without a hitch. Or you can do the same steps with different movies and get nothing but problems. I think its time to stop experimenting until a new version of DVD2BD is released. Maybe they'll do a bit of bug fixing.

**Kerry56** · 11-08-2012

As a comparison, I decided to try making a blu ray from the same 4 sci fi movies I've been working with before in DVD2BD, but this time using DVD neXt Copy Ultimate. I have a license for the program and updated to the latest version, 3.5.5.1 before doing this test.

DVD neXt Copy has had this capability for some time now, but there is one serious liability when using it, other than the cost of the program. But we'll come to that in a minute.

Making the blu ray version in the program is not hard at all, once you learn the necessary steps. You set the program to make a blu ray, bring in the first dvd movie, set up a folder to put it in and have the program make a new blu ray video. When it has finished processing the first movie, you back up, refresh the main window and bring in the next movie. This time you add the movie to your existing blu ray structure by making the target the index.bdmv file within the BDMV folder of the blu ray you just made. Continue this till you've got all of them imported.

The major flaw? You have no menu. There is no easy way to select each movie. The original chapter points are kept, so you can skip ahead within each movie, but once you get to the last chapter point in the movie you have no way to get to the end of it quickly. Even fast forward was limited to 2x speed in my player.

So the output from DVD neXt Copy is basically worthless without a menu. Especially if you want to watch the fourth or fifth movie on the disc.

I'm going to look around and see if there is a simple, free authoring program that can add a menu to an existing blu ray structure so that this process might be worthwhile. It might not exist though.

**Kerry56** · 12-08-2012

By the way, if you don't want to buy DVD neXt Copy for this very limited blu ray capability, you can do the very same thing using a free tool called EasyBD Lite. EasyBD Lite has been mentioned several times earlier in this thread.

Chapter points can be added, but subtitles have to be converted to BDN XML format, and you have to demux your dvd video before importing to EasyBD Lite.

EasyBD Lite is deliberately crippled so that it does not make a menu where you can select individual movies. The best way to have quick navigation between movies is to manipulate the chapter points. This means having the 1st chapter point at 00:00:00 in each movie and putting a second chapter point within a few seconds of the end of each movie. This way you can start the whole compilation and skip through to the movie that you want with a few clicks of the chapter controls. The downside, of course, is that you have no navigation within each individual movie, other than fast forward or back.

So, this option takes some effort and leaves a bit to be desired in the final product, but it is a workable solution.
Tools you need are PGCDemux, EasyBD Lite and BDSuptoSub (if you want to convert and use subtitles). All are free to download and use.

Steve33 · 13-08-2012

I got no joy from the BDedit question, I asked on another forum about whether it could make a simple opening menu....reply was no.
It seems it can only modify existing menu....if that is the case, I don't see its worth.

**Kerry56** · 14-08-2012

Just for grins, I tried this little project using MultiAVCHD. It can import the dvds directly, make a menu and produce a blu ray structure without re-encoding the dvds. The menu I made was quite elaborate, with a top menu, a pop up menu, title menu, thumbnails for selecting each of the four movies, subtitles and even chapter thumbnails for each movie.

The menus worked just fine. The movies played like crap. You couldn't watch more than 2 seconds without the picture jerking up and down. All of the movies were affected in this manner.

Worthless.

**Kerry56** · 15-08-2012

One last, rather disgusting development. I've found a solution that works using EasyBD Lite and MultiAVCHD. Its just not simple.

As stated in the last post, MultiAVCHD should be able to do the whole process without problems. But when you run the dvds, or mpeg files through MultiAVCHD, the output is extremely jumpy. For unknown reasons.

So I tried using the m2ts files found in my EasyBD Lite version of the compiled movie as input into MultiAVCHD. This was absolutely no improvement. The video still jumps around like water on a hot greased skillet.

So what did work? I deleted the 0000.m2ts, 0001m2ts, 0002.m2ts and 0003.m2ts files from the Streams folder in the movie I made using MultiAVCHD. I replaced them with the same files from the movie I made using EasyBD Lite. This new Frankensteinian movie plays perfectly. All the menus work, the movies advance by chapters, and there is no problem in audio/video synchronization. It should be noted that I didn't create a chapter menu this time, nor did I use subtitles. The chapter points set up in MultiAVCHD worked instead of the one set up in EasyBD Lite, so a chapter menu should work ok. Subtitles might prove interesting, but that is the next experiment.

This "solution" produces the best dvd compilation movie so far, simply because the menu is much better than what can be made in AVStoDVD and the m2ts files are made to strict standards by EasyBD Lite. There is no uncertainty of output from DVD2BD here.

But you might tell I'm not terribly pleased with the whole thing. Its a lot of steps, a lot of programs to use, and I'm still not certain it will work with subtitles yet.

**Wombler** · 15-08-2012

I wonder why that last bit worked though and will it work for all movies?

Great job BTW!

Wombler

*cholla* · 15-08-2012

Great effort Kerry . Too bad there is not a free software just to create menus for a blu-ray disc . One that doesn't need to encode again .
Or even a low priced software.
From what you posted only the high end software can do this .
Does it need to encode again to do it ?

**Kerry56** · 15-08-2012

There are some programs that seem to work only on the menu cholla. Defsoft OwnMenu 1.1.0 might be one, and there is a free version, but you must start with a blu ray video that already has a top menu and a pop up menu to use the free version, so it didn't work for what I was doing.

You have to set things up in MultiAVCHD carefully when making a movie and menu that will work with the m2ts files from EasyBD Lite. MultiAVCHD wants to cut up the m2ts files into 4gb chunks. You have to change this setting (I used 10gb). EasyBD Lite makes a very simple structure, with each m2ts file containing the entire title.

Haven't tried movies with subtitles yet.

Steve33 · 15-08-2012

Actually if one can live without an opening menu, the use of chapter marks in easybd lite as you suggested then it isn't too much work to get a project done, perhaps a shorter alternative to the longer route of using multiavchd.

If you get all the process honed down, it will be a very interesting guide.

**Kerry56** · 15-08-2012

Looks like I'll have to give up on using MultiAVCHD, even though it is capable of making very intricate menus. It is simply too unpredictable. Sometimes the automatic chapter creation works, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes the subtitles work, most of the time they do not.

.sup subtitles are truly annoying. The dvd versions and the blu ray versions are not the same, and are not compatible.

So what are my recommendations? If you have a movie compilation where you need subtitles, I'd go the AVStoDVD-->DVD2BD Express route and check the output carefully.

If you don't need a menu or subtitles, the EasyBD Lite path with the two chapter points solution works ok, though not ideally.

**Kerry56** · 16-08-2012

Well, another development. It seems the output from MultiAVCHD plays well in VLC, Media Player Classic Home Cinema, and reasonably well in DVDFab Media Player. The only player I can see the video tearing is in my main player....Arcsoft Total Media Theater 3!! I've been testing the output in TMT3 this whole time! And TMT3 is still playing my commercial blu ray discs and files perfectly well. This may be some evidence of the incompatibility of the output from MultiAVCHD in some stand alone players, and now one software player.

I don't have a current copy of PowerDVD to test with, but my older version might work for this unencrypted video. I'll see if it exhibits the same problems.

This time I used the ifo files from the dvds as input, rather than mpeg or separate streams. This seems to simplify the process of bringing in subtitles. And I've learned through trial and error most of the controls in MultiAVCHD. It takes about a day of messing with it.

Edit: The older version of PowerDVD won't play blu ray files, but a mounted ISO plays about as well as DVDFab Media Player. Much better than TMT3 with this movie from MultiAVCHD.

**Wombler** · 17-08-2012

Well that's good news anyway Kerry.

I've had problems in the past with an older version of PowerDVD that were specific to that software so it does happen even with the big name products on rare occasions.

These sorts of things can be very frustrating, I know, but at least you've now managed to find the problem.

Wombler

23-07-2012	#26
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	The only time I've used BDEdit was when looking for correct playlists in existing blu ray structure. So, no, I haven't examined its capabilities at all. Using mkv's assumes that your player recognizes and plays mkvs. And that it likes standard def mpeg2 in an mkv file (if you are going to put dvds in them). It might expect H264 in an mkv file. The players are getting more versatile though, so this might not be an issue. Most people are moving to hard drive storage and streaming media players anyway, so free, effective blu ray authoring may never be a reality. At least, not anything more than we have now. I've read that even tsMuxeR is no longer being developed. And it is the cornerstone of most of our free tools working with Blu ray. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

24-07-2012	#27
Steve33 MyCE Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 205	That's sort of what I have done (hard drive storage) especially for movies running over the storage cap. of 25GB BD. I am somewhat reluctant to re-encode just so they will fit and dual-layer cost more than I am willing to pay for them. My wife and children still prefer discs over hard drives since all that is required is placing the disc in player. I'll see what I can find out about BDEdit. __________________ Vista 64 Home Premium,Asus P6T,GTX 260-216, i7 920, 12 GB ram, Samsung 202n, Samsung 653 Pioneer BDR-206DBK, 500GB WD Black internal HD, 1 TB Spinpoint, 1.5 TB internal HD, 22" monitor

25-07-2012	#30
Wombler Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,578	I'm pretty good with PgcEdit and DVD structures but have only briefly looked at BDedit so I'm not familiar with Blu-ray structures yet. It's something that I'd like to get into but never seem to have the time to look at it. I'll probably get there eventually though. Wombler __________________ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Forum Help: Forum Rules, MyCE Help Centre If you find these forums useful then: Register Here DVDFab/ImgBurn: Choosing the correct Layer Break Position in ImgBurn DVDFab: BDMV-REC Supported Burners Reviews: Ideal DVD Copy, Magic DVD Copier, DVDFab DVD Copy v9

06-08-2012	#31
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	There have been some recent developments here. The first movie I made, with the three dvds in a series has some interesting issues. Playback of the large dvd seemed fine, and the first movie of the three played back well in blu ray format, but the other two had glitches at each chapter point. The second combination blu ray that I made from dvds was even stranger, as the first movie stopped playback entirely after about 12 minutes. So, I'm trying again with the second compilation. The large dvd made from the four movies plays ok. I changed the setting in AVStoDVD to not have chapter points at all (Preferences-->Authoring/Burning-->Chapters Interval set to 999 minutes), since chapter points don't work once shifted into blu ray format anyway. This should avoid any glitches at chapter points. Currently making the blu ray version from the large dvd, so we'll see how it comes out this time. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

06-08-2012	#32
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	Ok, next copy has the same issue. I'll run the large dvd through PGCEdit and FixVTS first this time and see if that has any affect. Not sure it will, since the demuxed video produced by DVD2BD prior to muxing into blu ray format plays properly. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

07-08-2012	#34
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	My latest attempt went perfectly. I combined the three movies of the series into one large dvd using Vob2mpg + AVStoDVD, and using no chapter points. The large dvd plays flawlessly. The output from DVD2BD is also perfect. No problems in selecting movies in the menu, nor in playback. There is no chapter navigation, but there hasn't been from the start using this program. So, you can do this whole process and have everything work without a hitch. Or you can do the same steps with different movies and get nothing but problems. I think its time to stop experimenting until a new version of DVD2BD is released. Maybe they'll do a bit of bug fixing. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

11-08-2012	#35
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	As a comparison, I decided to try making a blu ray from the same 4 sci fi movies I've been working with before in DVD2BD, but this time using DVD neXt Copy Ultimate. I have a license for the program and updated to the latest version, 3.5.5.1 before doing this test. DVD neXt Copy has had this capability for some time now, but there is one serious liability when using it, other than the cost of the program. But we'll come to that in a minute. Making the blu ray version in the program is not hard at all, once you learn the necessary steps. You set the program to make a blu ray, bring in the first dvd movie, set up a folder to put it in and have the program make a new blu ray video. When it has finished processing the first movie, you back up, refresh the main window and bring in the next movie. This time you add the movie to your existing blu ray structure by making the target the index.bdmv file within the BDMV folder of the blu ray you just made. Continue this till you've got all of them imported. The major flaw? You have no menu. There is no easy way to select each movie. The original chapter points are kept, so you can skip ahead within each movie, but once you get to the last chapter point in the movie you have no way to get to the end of it quickly. Even fast forward was limited to 2x speed in my player. So the output from DVD neXt Copy is basically worthless without a menu. Especially if you want to watch the fourth or fifth movie on the disc. I'm going to look around and see if there is a simple, free authoring program that can add a menu to an existing blu ray structure so that this process might be worthwhile. It might not exist though. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

12-08-2012	#36
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	By the way, if you don't want to buy DVD neXt Copy for this very limited blu ray capability, you can do the very same thing using a free tool called EasyBD Lite. EasyBD Lite has been mentioned several times earlier in this thread. Chapter points can be added, but subtitles have to be converted to BDN XML format, and you have to demux your dvd video before importing to EasyBD Lite. EasyBD Lite is deliberately crippled so that it does not make a menu where you can select individual movies. The best way to have quick navigation between movies is to manipulate the chapter points. This means having the 1st chapter point at 00:00:00 in each movie and putting a second chapter point within a few seconds of the end of each movie. This way you can start the whole compilation and skip through to the movie that you want with a few clicks of the chapter controls. The downside, of course, is that you have no navigation within each individual movie, other than fast forward or back. So, this option takes some effort and leaves a bit to be desired in the final product, but it is a workable solution. Tools you need are PGCDemux, EasyBD Lite and BDSuptoSub (if you want to convert and use subtitles). All are free to download and use. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

13-08-2012	#37
Steve33 MyCE Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 205	I got no joy from the BDedit question, I asked on another forum about whether it could make a simple opening menu....reply was no. It seems it can only modify existing menu....if that is the case, I don't see its worth. __________________ Vista 64 Home Premium,Asus P6T,GTX 260-216, i7 920, 12 GB ram, Samsung 202n, Samsung 653 Pioneer BDR-206DBK, 500GB WD Black internal HD, 1 TB Spinpoint, 1.5 TB internal HD, 22" monitor

14-08-2012	#38
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	Just for grins, I tried this little project using MultiAVCHD. It can import the dvds directly, make a menu and produce a blu ray structure without re-encoding the dvds. The menu I made was quite elaborate, with a top menu, a pop up menu, title menu, thumbnails for selecting each of the four movies, subtitles and even chapter thumbnails for each movie. The menus worked just fine. The movies played like crap. You couldn't watch more than 2 seconds without the picture jerking up and down. All of the movies were affected in this manner. Worthless. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

15-08-2012	#39
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	One last, rather disgusting development. I've found a solution that works using EasyBD Lite and MultiAVCHD. Its just not simple. As stated in the last post, MultiAVCHD should be able to do the whole process without problems. But when you run the dvds, or mpeg files through MultiAVCHD, the output is extremely jumpy. For unknown reasons. So I tried using the m2ts files found in my EasyBD Lite version of the compiled movie as input into MultiAVCHD. This was absolutely no improvement. The video still jumps around like water on a hot greased skillet. So what did work? I deleted the 0000.m2ts, 0001m2ts, 0002.m2ts and 0003.m2ts files from the Streams folder in the movie I made using MultiAVCHD. I replaced them with the same files from the movie I made using EasyBD Lite. This new Frankensteinian movie plays perfectly. All the menus work, the movies advance by chapters, and there is no problem in audio/video synchronization. It should be noted that I didn't create a chapter menu this time, nor did I use subtitles. The chapter points set up in MultiAVCHD worked instead of the one set up in EasyBD Lite, so a chapter menu should work ok. Subtitles might prove interesting, but that is the next experiment. This "solution" produces the best dvd compilation movie so far, simply because the menu is much better than what can be made in AVStoDVD and the m2ts files are made to strict standards by EasyBD Lite. There is no uncertainty of output from DVD2BD here. But you might tell I'm not terribly pleased with the whole thing. Its a lot of steps, a lot of programs to use, and I'm still not certain it will work with subtitles yet. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide

15-08-2012	#41
cholla MyCE Resident Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Amarillo ,Texas Posts: 5,356	Great effort Kerry . Too bad there is not a free software just to create menus for a blu-ray disc . One that doesn't need to encode again . Or even a low priced software. From what you posted only the high end software can do this . Does it need to encode again to do it ? __________________ cholla pronounced ˈchȯi-yə click on cholla to hear

16-08-2012	#45
Kerry56 Administrator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: West Texas Posts: 14,413	Well, another development. It seems the output from MultiAVCHD plays well in VLC, Media Player Classic Home Cinema, and reasonably well in DVDFab Media Player. The only player I can see the video tearing is in my main player....Arcsoft Total Media Theater 3!! I've been testing the output in TMT3 this whole time! And TMT3 is still playing my commercial blu ray discs and files perfectly well. This may be some evidence of the incompatibility of the output from MultiAVCHD in some stand alone players, and now one software player. I don't have a current copy of PowerDVD to test with, but my older version might work for this unencrypted video. I'll see if it exhibits the same problems. This time I used the ifo files from the dvds as input, rather than mpeg or separate streams. This seems to simplify the process of bringing in subtitles. And I've learned through trial and error most of the controls in MultiAVCHD. It takes about a day of messing with it. Edit: The older version of PowerDVD won't play blu ray files, but a mounted ISO plays about as well as DVDFab Media Player. Much better than TMT3 with this movie from MultiAVCHD. __________________ Basic Guide for BD Rebuilder BD Rebuilder Guide for MP4 or MKV conversion AVStoDVD Guide Last edited by Kerry56; 16-08-2012 at 04:17.

17-08-2012	#46
Wombler Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,578	Well that's good news anyway Kerry. I've had problems in the past with an older version of PowerDVD that were specific to that software so it does happen even with the big name products on rare occasions. These sorts of things can be very frustrating, I know, but at least you've now managed to find the problem. Wombler __________________ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Forum Help: Forum Rules, MyCE Help Centre If you find these forums useful then: Register Here DVDFab/ImgBurn: Choosing the correct Layer Break Position in ImgBurn DVDFab: BDMV-REC Supported Burners Reviews: Ideal DVD Copy, Magic DVD Copier, DVDFab DVD Copy v9

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