Having problems backing up latest Robbie Williams album

DaMn19 · 20-11-2002

Hi,
I just purchased the new Robbie Williams album today and it appears that the first 2 tracks are protected and no matter what i try (i tried using EAC and CloneCD) i can't rip those 2 tracks! any ideas??
from what it looks, i think it's that cactus protection (on the back of the cd, there are 2 small gaps on the edge of the cd).
ClonyXXL doesn't detect the protection though..
How can i rip those 2 tracks ?

[edit]
Edited the title to a more describing one.
"I need help" is a very annoying title for it does not tell what the post is about
[/edit]

*Upp3rd0G* · 20-11-2002

Try to identify the protection by reading the last link mentioned in my signature and post the result, then we might be able to help you further.

rexroach · 26-11-2002

the gaps are where there in no audio Like all Robbie williams Albums he has hidden tracks

kloms · 28-11-2002

I copied a recent (maybe the newest) robbie w. cd. I simply used clonyxxl to find out it is CD-Extra, and used the clony settings with clonecd. It worked fine.
By the way, do anybody know what CD-Extra does?

*Upp3rd0G* · 28-11-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by kloms
By the way, do anybody know what CD-Extra does?

Disctronic USA

rexroach · 28-11-2002

cd extra is where there is a PC element on the disc like a music video or such.

The UK version of this album has no cd extra content

*Crowley* · 28-11-2002

According to this site ( http://www.cdlogo.nl/cd-beveiliging/...value=williams )
is it protected with the cactus datashield 200.
It is stated on the site that the cactus datashield 100 hasnever been used in the netherlands and this is a official dutch site

*Upp3rd0G* · 29-11-2002

Don't believe everything you read, eventhough it is an official site. Things can change.

ed06 · 29-11-2002

Yes I have the same album I used clone 4 and it took 40 mins to write the buffers then got 3% onto the disc and then the message, disc write failed or similar.
Have also tried Alcohol the new version with no success.
In both cases the attemped recording session caused problems with the computer ie programs stopped responding and cds would not eject ? but all is well now after exiting from programs but have no copy disc for the car?

Has robbie beaten us ?
ed06. :a

ronnie_t · 03-12-2002

I bought the cd too it has 2 data tracks and the protection is CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 12b.

When i play it on my pc the second data-track is only shown in Explorer and I can only play it through the build-in cd player at 48 kbps MP3PRO

When I try to read only the first session (used PLEXTOOLS to disable the second session) i get all audio-tracks and I can rip them, what seems, normally, BUT when I listen to the tracks, there are "clicks" or "gaps" in the audio. I used EAC or Plextools => same results

When I try to play the cd with plexor's CDTEXT player, i still get clicks and gaps

When I try my discman (philips) i STILL get clicks (not gaps anymore)

When I try my SONY CD player i get PERFECT sound

So I am not able to digitally backup this cd and I will bring the cd back tomorrow, because I can't listen to it with CD-QUALITY on my pc.

/edit: I beat the protection, my solution for a PERFECT copy:
- hide 2nd session
- read (1st session) with clonecd
- mount clonecd-image with daemon-tools
- use EAC (configured correctly for virtual drive) and rip from virtual cd-rom drive

I got 100% track quality

Ludwig van moza · 03-12-2002

Big Ivo,

I think you should reduce the speed of Plextools to 4x to get a perfect DAE

*Upp3rd0G* · 05-12-2002

CDS200 latest versions need to be ripped at low speed, like 4sp.

stupidass · 07-12-2002

....rrroarrr, aaah I´d love to lay my hands and my plex 48x and plextools v.1.17 on one of those and see what happens......I think I got to go out and buy my self one just to see.....

mcd · 10-12-2002

I tried everything I could under WINX EAC, CloneCD etc to rip track 1, ( the rest of the CD is easy with EAC ). Eventually I tried cdparanoia under Linux and it ripped track 1 ( strange sounding track anyway ) without needing any special switches. I would love to know what has been done to track 1

ed06 · 10-12-2002

i used clony xxx and the profiler with clone new version to rip no problems

i think this album has extras .
its own music player starts when you insert the cd into the dvd or cdrw

ecdc cant touch this cd use the new clone

Stardust · 11-12-2002

Used Blind write latest version copied 9/14 tracks, used latest clone cd and the hall cd was perfectly copied!!

Olny problem was that it took me 15 min for image and 10 min to write it on cd..

Pio2001 · 11-12-2002

Quote:

Originally posted by BIG IVO
- mount clonecd-image with daemon-tools
- use EAC (configured correctly for virtual drive) and rip from virtual cd-rom drive

I got 100% track quality

You'll always get 100% quality from a virtual drive. It doesn't mean that there is no gap or clicks in the sound.

Stardust · 11-12-2002

The back up wich i made with clone cd 4.2 was extracted in 14 tracks no data tracks at all.

p.s. track 14 is 15 min long even in the original cd so after 3.50 min wich nan's song ends if you forward the track you get 2 more tracks.. check it out..

i extracted track 14 to wav file i splitted it into 3 tracks and now i have 16 songs in the album.

confirm someone..

JJVilzu · 23-12-2002

I just backupped my Escapology, since i got interested by this thread. No problems with Clone 4019 and Plex 2410 (settings: r 4x, w 16x) , i copied the WHOLE cd, both sessions. So i made an "almost 1:1 copy". I just love my Plex. It never lets me down;-) I also ripped only the audio tracks, but i had to disable session 2 with PlexTools before succeeded. After that CDDAE, Plextools and EAC did the job perfectly with 4X.

Strangely enough; My other writer, LG 8240, ripped the CD perfectly without any tricks...8-) Even with max read speed... I just have to love my LG too...;-)

BTW: This disk has protection on all tracks, but depending on reader, they behave differently, some can´t rip at all, some rip some of the tracks etc. Not only the 2 first tracks. It´s your reader doing the "things"...;-(

EDIT/
I encountered couple of thousand c2 errors while ripping with cddae and Plextor (0,00% and unhearable though), but when reading 2 times with LG, it did 0 errors on whole CD... LG seems to be a great raeder for Cactus DS200, it even plays the cd with mediaplayer with no problems...!-)
EDIT/

Prometheus · 24-12-2002

Hello Folks,

I just borrowed the CD Escapology - Robby Williams from a friend. This is the first CD I encounter with copy-protection. I tried several things but I'm fully new to burning of copy-protected cd's. I downloaded CloneCD 4.2.0.2, Clony XXL, Feurio 166, Nero Burning 5.6; I tried CloneCD and Nero but all I do is trash all my beautiful empty cd's. What do I have to do (how do I have to tweak cloneCD for cds200-protection??) to burn the robbie williams cd? With tape or a marker is no option because I borrowed the cd.

Could Anyone Help me Please?

Greetings from the Netherlands,

Ludwig van moza · 24-12-2002

You should read the specific thread in this forum.
Use EAC, epert mode, detect toc manually.
But that depends on your hardware.
Good luck.

stupidass · 15-01-2003

....I just got a Robbie disc,and backed it up with plextools @ 4x,NO problems.Also tried Eac,worked!Just love my plex 48x.But I am returning the disc tomorrow and deleting the backup on my harddrive..That was absolutly the worst piece of crap

music(?) I ever listened to....If Rw and his record company would have used 1/2 of the cost of protecting this musical piece of sh###,and used it on song training of RW instead,then it would have been well used money!And if they would have used the other half of it to lower their prices that would have been even more well used money!....

Mirenko · 18-01-2003

Hallo guys
thanks to your precious suggestions and experiences i made a copy of this album..but still have a problem
the cd ...the 1st and the 2nd tracks won't work in any of my cd-'players even if i use the original cd or the copy ...what 's the matter??Please help ...
thanxxxxxxxxx

Nebuchadnezzar · 21-01-2003

(Little story!) Being in the music biz, a couple of months ago I got an advance copy of ROBBIE WILLIAMS' ESCAPOLOGY courtesy of a friend at EMI - and when I received it I noted that it had 'copy protection' on it, and was also the first CD here in Australia to do so.

So I had to have a look at how it 'held-up', and firstly tried simply extracting tracks (no fancy techniques so as to see how far the average non-PC person might get ...) off it via my (then) LITE-ON 40x LTR-40125S and NERO 'save track...', as well as SOUND FORGE... I managed to get any track except for 'Track 1' ... and noted the track had a lot of errors in it (an aside: it really annoys me knowing that it's affecting the quality of the music in the process - but hopefully less destructive protection will emerge soon ...).

Then just recently I upgraded to a new LITE-ON 48x LTR-48246S unit, so a couple of nights ago I tried the same technique as before of extracting audio from the CD via NERO 'save track...', as well as SOUND FORGE, but this time using my new LTR-48246S ... 'Track 1' extracted and plays perfectly. Not one issue.

So the LITE-ON 48x goes where the 40x fears to tread - interesting!

*Upp3rd0G* · 21-01-2003

Quote:

Originally posted by Nebuchadnezzar
So the LITE-ON 48x goes where the 40x fears to tread - interesting!

LiteOn recently changed the firmwares of 40sp and higher drives so they can read audio copy protections a lot better. Your 52sp probably has one of the newer firmwares and your 40sp one of the older firmwares. Try upgrading your Ltr-40125s to ZS0P.

20-11-2002	#1
DaMn19 New on Forum Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1	need help.. Hi, I just purchased the new Robbie Williams album today and it appears that the first 2 tracks are protected and no matter what i try (i tried using EAC and CloneCD) i can't rip those 2 tracks! any ideas?? from what it looks, i think it's that cactus protection (on the back of the cd, there are 2 small gaps on the edge of the cd). ClonyXXL doesn't detect the protection though.. How can i rip those 2 tracks ? [edit] Edited the title to a more describing one. "I need help" is a very annoying title for it does not tell what the post is about [/edit] Last edited by Da_Taxman; 21-11-2002 at 19:02.

20-11-2002	#2
Upp3rd0G MyCE Resident Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NL Posts: 2,116	Try to identify the protection by reading the last link mentioned in my signature and post the result, then we might be able to help you further. __________________ You can help us to help you even better. You can help fund our research Please read the rules Please detail your problem... What info do U provide? Try our Search... function Please read this for more info on audio copy protections

28-11-2002	#4
kloms CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 76	I copied a recent (maybe the newest) robbie w. cd. I simply used clonyxxl to find out it is CD-Extra, and used the clony settings with clonecd. It worked fine. By the way, do anybody know what CD-Extra does? __________________ Live your life in the fast lane- No Risk->No Fun!!

29-11-2002	#8
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29-11-2002	#9
ed06 CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Wales.U.K Posts: 39	Robbie Williams Yes I have the same album I used clone 4 and it took 40 mins to write the buffers then got 3% onto the disc and then the message, disc write failed or similar. Have also tried Alcohol the new version with no success. In both cases the attemped recording session caused problems with the computer ie programs stopped responding and cds would not eject ? but all is well now after exiting from programs but have no copy disc for the car? Has robbie beaten us ? ed06. :a

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rexroach MyCE Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: England Posts: 117	the gaps are where there in no audio Like all Robbie williams Albums he has hidden tracks

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Crowley MyCE Resident Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: zeijen NL Posts: 941	According to this site ( http://www.cdlogo.nl/cd-beveiliging/...value=williams ) is it protected with the cactus datashield 200. It is stated on the site that the cactus datashield 100 hasnever been used in the netherlands and this is a official dutch site

03-12-2002	#10
ronnie_t CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 64	I bought the cd too it has 2 data tracks and the protection is CDS200.0.4 3.0 build 12b. When i play it on my pc the second data-track is only shown in Explorer and I can only play it through the build-in cd player at 48 kbps MP3PRO When I try to read only the first session (used PLEXTOOLS to disable the second session) i get all audio-tracks and I can rip them, what seems, normally, BUT when I listen to the tracks, there are "clicks" or "gaps" in the audio. I used EAC or Plextools => same results When I try to play the cd with plexor's CDTEXT player, i still get clicks and gaps When I try my discman (philips) i STILL get clicks (not gaps anymore) When I try my SONY CD player i get PERFECT sound So I am not able to digitally backup this cd and I will bring the cd back tomorrow, because I can't listen to it with CD-QUALITY on my pc. /edit: I beat the protection, my solution for a PERFECT copy: - hide 2nd session - read (1st session) with clonecd - mount clonecd-image with daemon-tools - use EAC (configured correctly for virtual drive) and rip from virtual cd-rom drive I got 100% track quality __________________ If You Can't Beat Them, Burn Them. ______________ Lite-On DH-20A4P Plextor Premium Last edited by ronnie_t; 03-12-2002 at 01:18.

03-12-2002	#11
Ludwig van moza CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 80	Big Ivo, I think you should reduce the speed of Plextools to 4x to get a perfect DAE

05-12-2002	#12
Upp3rd0G MyCE Resident Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NL Posts: 2,116	CDS200 latest versions need to be ripped at low speed, like 4sp. __________________ You can help us to help you even better. You can help fund our research Please read the rules Please detail your problem... What info do U provide? Try our Search... function Please read this for more info on audio copy protections

07-12-2002	#13
stupidass CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: \| Posts: 142	....rrroarrr, aaah I´d love to lay my hands and my plex 48x and plextools v.1.17 on one of those and see what happens......I think I got to go out and buy my self one just to see..... __________________ ...mi signatur har f rsv .....

10-12-2002	#14
mcd New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1	linux cdparanoia works I tried everything I could under WINX EAC, CloneCD etc to rip track 1, ( the rest of the CD is easy with EAC ). Eventually I tried cdparanoia under Linux and it ripped track 1 ( strange sounding track anyway ) without needing any special switches. I would love to know what has been done to track 1

11-12-2002	#16
Stardust New on Forum Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 7	Used Blind write latest version copied 9/14 tracks, used latest clone cd and the hall cd was perfectly copied!! Olny problem was that it took me 15 min for image and 10 min to write it on cd..

23-12-2002	#19
JJVilzu CD Freaks Rookie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Scandinavia Posts: 39	Williams I just backupped my Escapology, since i got interested by this thread. No problems with Clone 4019 and Plex 2410 (settings: r 4x, w 16x) , i copied the WHOLE cd, both sessions. So i made an "almost 1:1 copy". I just love my Plex. It never lets me down;-) I also ripped only the audio tracks, but i had to disable session 2 with PlexTools before succeeded. After that CDDAE, Plextools and EAC did the job perfectly with 4X. Strangely enough; My other writer, LG 8240, ripped the CD perfectly without any tricks...8-) Even with max read speed... I just have to love my LG too...;-) BTW: This disk has protection on all tracks, but depending on reader, they behave differently, some can´t rip at all, some rip some of the tracks etc. Not only the 2 first tracks. It´s your reader doing the "things"...;-( EDIT/ I encountered couple of thousand c2 errors while ripping with cddae and Plextor (0,00% and unhearable though), but when reading 2 times with LG, it did 0 errors on whole CD... LG seems to be a great raeder for Cactus DS200, it even plays the cd with mediaplayer with no problems...!-) EDIT/ __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You know that if you live like, you will die like ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Last edited by JJVilzu; 24-12-2002 at 13:15.

24-12-2002	#20
Prometheus New on Forum Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Everywhere and Nowhere Posts: 2	help me... Hello Folks, I just borrowed the CD Escapology - Robby Williams from a friend. This is the first CD I encounter with copy-protection. I tried several things but I'm fully new to burning of copy-protected cd's. I downloaded CloneCD 4.2.0.2, Clony XXL, Feurio 166, Nero Burning 5.6; I tried CloneCD and Nero but all I do is trash all my beautiful empty cd's. What do I have to do (how do I have to tweak cloneCD for cds200-protection??) to burn the robbie williams cd? With tape or a marker is no option because I borrowed the cd. Could Anyone Help me Please? Greetings from the Netherlands, __________________ (- Veni Vidi Vici -) Prometheus©

15-01-2003	#22
stupidass CD Freaks Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: \| Posts: 142	....I just got a Robbie disc,and backed it up with plextools @ 4x,NO problems.Also tried Eac,worked!Just love my plex 48x.But I am returning the disc tomorrow and deleting the backup on my harddrive..That was absolutly the worst piece of crap music(?) I ever listened to....If Rw and his record company would have used 1/2 of the cost of protecting this musical piece of sh###,and used it on song training of RW instead,then it would have been well used money!And if they would have used the other half of it to lower their prices that would have been even more well used money!.... __________________ ...mi signatur har f rsv .....

18-01-2003	#23
Mirenko CD Freaks Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Italy Posts: 51	Problem both original & Copy Hallo guys thanks to your precious suggestions and experiences i made a copy of this album..but still have a problem the cd ...the 1st and the 2nd tracks won't work in any of my cd-'players even if i use the original cd or the copy ...what 's the matter??Please help ... thanxxxxxxxxx

21-01-2003	#24
Nebuchadnezzar Indigo kid Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 82	Different burners - different results - hmmm! (Little story!) Being in the music biz, a couple of months ago I got an advance copy of ROBBIE WILLIAMS' ESCAPOLOGY courtesy of a friend at EMI - and when I received it I noted that it had 'copy protection' on it, and was also the first CD here in Australia to do so. So I had to have a look at how it 'held-up', and firstly tried simply extracting tracks (no fancy techniques so as to see how far the average non-PC person might get ...) off it via my (then) LITE-ON 40x LTR-40125S and NERO 'save track...', as well as SOUND FORGE... I managed to get any track except for 'Track 1' ... and noted the track had a lot of errors in it (an aside: it really annoys me knowing that it's affecting the quality of the music in the process - but hopefully less destructive protection will emerge soon ...). Then just recently I upgraded to a new LITE-ON 48x LTR-48246S unit, so a couple of nights ago I tried the same technique as before of extracting audio from the CD via NERO 'save track...', as well as SOUND FORGE, but this time using my new LTR-48246S ... 'Track 1' extracted and plays perfectly. Not one issue. So the LITE-ON 48x goes where the 40x fears to tread - interesting!

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