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Old Posted: 05-04-2009
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CD Freaks are proud to present, the Pioneer BDR-203BK Blu ray burner review.



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Thanks for the detailed (as usual) review!!!
It is really a very good device!
IMHO, writing CD-Rs at 32x is not really a disadvantage, especially when the quality is that good!!! Do we prefer speed or quality? I already hear the answer: "both"!!!
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thanks for the great review!! Now I'm happy, because i already bought the drive last week.
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Hallo, thankyou for review Dee27. I have LG blu-ray burner (2x BD-R) and want to upgrade. The LG unit give me no trouble but I want faster one. Can you tell me if this unit is good for long term? And this drive is much faster in 8x BD-RDL burning than LG unit BH08LS20, 10 minutes faster correct?
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Personally, i'll take quality over writing speed for CD-R, anytime.
Thanks for the comments.

@royal99
I can't say how long the drive will last. I've only had it for a few weeks to test, so long-term is something i can't comment on. The drive is well built, however.

It is a fast BD writer, and reader, though.
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Old Posted: 06-04-2009
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Very nice review Wendy as always Seems like it's time for me to get one of these babies, although media are still pretty steep.
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I am trying to understand the logic of Pioneer support booktype at DVD+R DL, but not the DVD+R.

Regardless, I have a question regarding the test results:

1) At the page about DVD+R writing, the guideline for good disc as stated is:

<8% jitter = very good
No larger area should exceed 4 PIF-1
no larger area should exceed 280 PI-8 error

but on the test result on Yuden T03 as an e.g.

we have jitter max. at 8.4%
PI failure total = 844
PI error total 48496

isn't that a lot? The guideline is only 280. The PIF is 844, but the guideline is only 4. Why does it says "The result is very good."

2) The version of Cyberlink Power2Go, is it ver. 6? Is it a trial ver. or a full ver.?
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@happy hopping
These values correspond to PIE/PIF maximum. So, PIEmax<=280 and PIFmax<=4. Not the total numbers
Thus, for DVD+R Yuden000T03, you have PIEmax=16, PIFmax=2, Jitter_average=7.4%. Very good result indeed!
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Nice review so far, I haven't finished reading yet. But I have to comment on the TYG02 burn. It had about 40,000 PI total and the comment says: PI errors are a little high throughout the disc, but PIF errors are extremely low, and the result is very good.

I'm guessing that you mistook the PI as 400,000 by accident?

This writer seems good though. I'll have to see what price they're going for around here. Might have to pick one up with the government stimulus package hahaha
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Hi, thanks for the review. I think I've missed your testing dual layer BD-R. How does that go? How's BD-R DL writing quality?
Old Posted: 06-04-2009
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Thanks for the review u guys rock and keep up yhe godd work.....
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Thus, for DVD+R Yuden000T03, you have PIEmax=16, PIFmax=2, Jitter_average=7.4%. Very good result indeed!
So how does the following no. come about then?

PI failure total = 844
PI error total 48496
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So how does the following no. come about then?

PI failure total = 844
PI error total 48496
They are the total number, the sum of all PIFs/PIEs through the whole disc. In the whole disc you have 48496 PI errors and 844 PI failures... Is there something I don't get in your question?

Anyway, you should mainly care about the maximum values, then the average ones, but not the total ones!
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Anyway, you should mainly care about the maximum values, then the average ones, but not the total ones!
Given that the disc is full, average values and total values are proportional, so you either care about both or none.
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Given that the disc is full, average values and total values are proportional, so you either care about both or none.
But usually I disregard total values in order to be able to compare two discs with different size, even though not "extremelly" different, eg 2GB vs 4GB
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Does anyone know whether Pioneer will release another combo drive (BD reader and DVD writer)?
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The review is great as usual but it does not say much about about the burning quality of BD-R/RE discs.

In fact nobody nowhere is publishing about this most iimportant topic ...
- except maybe YSS in japanese:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdr20...03bk_bdr6x.htm
- and something quite difficult to understand here:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...20888&PageId=5


So I am still not sure about: is it worth getting one of these pricy BD burners if they do not burn BD discs in specs yet ?

The discussion stays with DVD burning quality and for DVD burning I have enough good burners !
Old Posted: 07-04-2009
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Nice review Dee.
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The review is great as usual but it does not say much about about the burning quality of BD-R/RE discs.

In fact nobody nowhere is publishing about this most iimportant topic ...
- except maybe YSS in japanese:
http://homepage2.nifty.com/yss/bdr20...03bk_bdr6x.htm
- and something quite difficult to understand here:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...20888&PageId=5


So I am still not sure about: is it worth getting one of these pricy BD burners if they do not burn BD discs in specs yet ?

The discussion stays with DVD burning quality and for DVD burning I have enough good burners !
At the moment, we simply can't measure BD burning quality in any meaningful way. There is one BD burner that is capable of doing a disc quality scan of BD media, the drive is made by Lite-On. It's expensive, and as yet, there is no ongoing study that could draw any conclusion as to the suitability of this drive for scanning.

The equipment used by CDR-Info is way out of our reach price wise, and no users here are likely to be able to afford to be able to buy one of these professional scanners to allow them to compare.
For the moment, this is really a non starter.
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Lite-On is nobody. They have no real R&D, it's a clone co. Not to mention Pioneer is made in Japan. I never heard of made in china junk better than made in japan.
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Lite-On is nobody. They have no real R&D, it's a clone co. Not to mention Pioneer is made in Japan. I never heard of made in china junk better than made in japan.
With all due respect. That is nonsense.
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Old Posted: 09-04-2009
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Dee-27, could u please tell me when watching a DVD movie does the HDD LED and the Pioneer BDR-203BK's LED light up at the same time? Also does your HDD LED blinks (flashes) about once every second ever since you installed the Pioneer BDR-203BK? What motherboard and chipset are you using?
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Dee-27, could u please tell me when watching a DVD movie does the HDD LED and the Pioneer BDR-203BK's LED light up at the same time? Also does your HDD LED blinks (flashes) about once every second ever since you installed the Pioneer BDR-203BK? What motherboard and chipset are you using?
I had these same symptoms before i fitted the Pioneer BDR-203BK. This seems to be quite normal.
I have a GigaByte GA-X48 DS4 (Intel X48 chipset).
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I am now using my Pioneer Blu-Ray, I don't know how to check the version no., although the manufacturing date is Dec. 2008.

Now, so far I burned 3 x DVD+R, and 1 DVD+RW, haven't done any Blu-ray yet.

The burn are perfect. But I notice some thing strange.

I have another Pioneer in my machine, it's a 1 yr. old Pioneer DVD+RW burner, EIDE.

When I use this EIDE burner, as soon as the verify starts, I will launch other application, such as Firefox 2, wordperfect etc. So I can do other things while the software is verifying.

When it's burning, I never interrupt it, and let Nero 7 run by itself w/ no other software.

Now, w/ the new blu-ray Pioneer, I CANNOT launch another application while it is verifying. Does any1 else have this problem?

I have 4 SATA ports on my motherboard, among them, 3 are being used, 2 SATA hard drive, 1 to the Pioneer.
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found a small little mistake

on this page
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/Pion...rformance.html



you are talking about Verbatim, but you wrote

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The Pioneer BDR-203BK burned our test BD-R media from TDK in 14 minutes and 49 seconds.

samething about the BD-RE

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The Pioneer BDR-203BK burned our test BD-RE media from TDK in 45 minutes and 34 seconds.
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