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Good idea, zevia.

UDF 2.50 really seems to be necessary here.
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Yes burning UDF2.50 is the key to successful playback on standalone players (and PS3).

Just wanted to let you guys know that the new upcoming release of ImgBurn 2.4.0.0 will support UDF 2.50.

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In regards to standalone compatibility, are DL 50GB discs now supported?

That is can we rip a blu-ray DL movie with its layer change and then burn to a BD-R DL and have it play in a standalone without layer change issues?

I thought this was still the last issue to be solved or is it a non-issue now.
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In regards to standalone compatibility, are DL 50GB discs now supported?

That is can we rip a blu-ray DL movie with its layer change and then burn to a BD-R DL and have it play in a standalone without layer change issues?

I thought this was still the last issue to be solved or is it a non-issue now.
Which drives should accept that media/content so???
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Which drives should accept that media/content so???
I don't understand your comment.

Is that a yes dual layer backups are no problem for standalones?
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I don't understand your comment.

Is that a yes dual layer backups are no problem for standalones?
I doubt it, recordabel/RW media is always unlike pressed media.
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I doubt it, recordabel/RW media is always unlike pressed media.
Playback of non encrypted BDMV discs is outside the Blu-ray specs, yet some firmwares on standalones allow this. The Panasonic always has.

From what I understand is that one needs to create a Blu-ray data disc for UDF 2.5 and it should play in some standalone players.

However, what is really needed is software that can burn a Blu-Ray movie and not data disc. I thought Ulead 6 supports this, but maybe I am wrong and it only supports BDAV authoring. What about Adobe's Encore CS3?

Has anyone here burned a Blu-Ray ripped movie as a Blu-Ray movie on BD-R?
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Has anyone here burned a Blu-Ray ripped movie as a Blu-Ray movie on BD-R?
I did, using Nero 8/ImgBurn and it works on PS3.
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I did, using Nero 8/ImgBurn and it works on PS3
zevia, Was that a 25GB or a dual layer 50GB? Just curious if 50GB with layer changes work in standalones.

Also, just to clarify, this was burned in Nero8 as a BD movie and not a BD data disc - correct?

Its odd that Slysoft forums strictly state that playing blu-ray backups on standalones is not possible. I wonder what they are talking about?
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Posted: 24-11-2007
It's 25GB BD-R and BD-RE discs. I haven't try BDMV on BD-R DL yet.

In Nero Burning ROM 8, if you have Blu-ray and HD DVD plug-ins, there are only two selections: Blu-ray Disc Copy and Blu-ray Disc (UDF). Don't mixed with DVD file structure were you can burn data to DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-Audio ect. In Blu-ray, the file system and structure is simpler, ie if you want to burn a movie, use file system UDF 2.50 or 2.60 with the correct BDMV folder and subfolders.

I hope it helps.
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Hi,

Can anyone tell me the difference between BD-R and BD-ROM??

I've got a samsung on the way with support for BD-ROM but no support for BD-R!!

Thanks.
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Simply put: BD-R is a recordable blu-ray disc, you can use it if you want to burn a blu-ray movie (ie backup your own movie, authored from camcorder or on the air cable box).

Meanwhile BD-ROM is a pressed commercial blu-ray disc ie from hollywood blu-ray movie titles.

What is your Samsung model? If you only plan to watch store bought blu-ray movies then I don't think you need to worry. Even if you plan to burn a blu-ray disc and wanted to playback on your Samsung, there are some players that can playback BD-R or BD-RE (rewriteable) although their specs said nothing about BD-R/RE support.
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Posted: 13-03-2008
Question for the experts, after ripping bluray movie using anyhd dvd to external hd, can you use the external hd and plug into the ps3 by usb connection and play from the external hard drive.
Thanks in advanced
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No you can't. There is no way to play back a backed up Blu-ray short of burning it or if you know what you're doing and have a bit of luck you can maybe stream it. But definitely not from an external hard drive.
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I did, using Nero 8/ImgBurn and it works on PS3.
excuse-me, my question is maybe a litlle stupid but, is it a standard PS3 ? no chip added to it ?

thanks for your answer.

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excuse-me, my question is maybe a litlle stupid but, is it a standard PS3 ? no chip added to it ?

thanks for your answer.

Alwak

No chip. This is for playing back Blu-ray movies, not for backing up games. That's another issue entirely. But there's no issue with playing back movies burned to a BD-R or BD-RE so long as the disc doesn't contain BD+ protection (newer Fox titles contain that, for instance).
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I am trying to make successful Backups of my BR movies so they play on my PS3? Does anyone know the correct formula? From what I read it does not seem like there’s much too it.

I have been using Newest Nero... also used Any DVD HD and ripping movie ISO on to PS3 using Linux (Fedora Core 5).

When I go to play the movies on PS3 they seem to want to start then it says it's an invalid disk.

I can play the movies on my workstation using Power DVD though.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I have a Sony BR 4x Burner and PS3 with 320GB drive.

Anyway, let me know…

Thx
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Crap Nero, use Imgburn!
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Make sure you use the latest ImgBurn (2.4.1.0 at the time of writing) and that if you're building a disc from a folder on the hard drive that you select UDF 2.50 in the options.
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Great tutorial! Thank you for the help. I have a couple of questions that I would like all whom are willing to help me figure out. They say two minds are better than one, well I say hundreds are better than two. (lol). As your tutorial states you must have the CPS Unit key, which can be retrieved from doom9's forum site, which I am also a member of. Well my question is, as I am sure many other people are asking themselves as well. How can I recover the AACS3 CPS Unit key on my own? And also recover Volume Unique keys as well, and when I need them?

Well I believe that I may have found the answer, or at least part of it as I have not completed the entire reading of the PDF file on blu-ray specifics. But from what I have read so far has helped me in a tremendous way. Any whom are up to the challenge and have the hardware (blue ray burner) and would like to help me in this please down load this PDF file.

One last question with in the tutorial where it shows the command line there is a section that says hash is this the CPS Unit key that was retrieved for that particular movie?

Any way any help will be helpfull. I will keep up my research on this portion of the subject, and will keep all posted. Hopefully this will envoke some interest. I will upload PDF file for all.


NOTE: There is a part 1-3

part 1: the file extension is .zip change to a .exe
part 2: change ext. to .rar
part 3: change ext. to .rar

Once you have done this you can just hit the exe file to extract the PDF file.
Thank you for all the help. I did not have the time to Download proper winzip used WINRAR and changed file extension to allow for upload. Thanks again...
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Great tutorial! Thank you for the help. I have a couple of questions that I would like all whom are willing to help me figure out. They say two minds are better than one, well I say hundreds are better than two. (lol). As your tutorial states you must have the CPS Unit key, which can be retrieved from doom9's forum site, which I am also a member of. Well my question is, as I am sure many other people are asking themselves as well. How can I recover the AACS3 CPS Unit key on my own? And also recover Volume Unique keys as well, and when I need them?

Well I believe that I may have found the answer, or at least part of it as I have not completed the entire reading of the PDF file on blu-ray specifics. But from what I have read so far has helped me in a tremendous way. Any whom are up to the challenge and have the hardware (blue ray burner) and would like to help me in this please down load this PDF file.

One last question with in the tutorial where it shows the command line there is a section that says hash is this the CPS Unit key that was retrieved for that particular movie?

Any way any help will be helpfull. I will keep up my research on this portion of the subject, and will keep all posted. Hopefully this will envoke some interest. I will upload PDF file for all. .
I think the first post in this thread stated that this is a very old method and today it's much easier to use AnyDVD HD!
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Posted: 17-08-2008
So do you need a blu-ray burner to backup this onto your hdd? Or do you just need the blu-ray drive?
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I think the first post in this thread stated that this is a very old method and today it's much easier to use AnyDVD HD!
It would be nice if someone placed the current best ANYHDDVD complete method and steps here. Just a thought as some of us have leaped to BD and have the tools, maybe to do this on an RE. -R is not an option as most of the movies can be had cheaper than the -R media. ARGH!

The only other thread on this is at SLYSOFT forums. I am hoping I do not need to buy more software/not!
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If you have an RE big enough, you can just do this:

-AnyDVD HD enabled
-Insert the original
-Load ImgBurn or CloneCD
-Select read mode and read ISO to hard drive. (Tip: If using CloneCD, name the file *.ISO - add .iso to the end of the filename, iow, and it'll make an ISO instead of a .DVD)
-Insert blank media
-Use write mode to write out the ISO

If the disc is too big, there's at least one thing to try that doesn't involve reencoding:

-AnyDVD Enabled
-Load BDInfo and select the drive with the original. This shows the playlist information. Find the playlist of the main movie...usually it's the top one.
-Load tsmuxer 1.84 or 1.85
-Open the playlist found with BDInfo
-Deselect the streams you don't need
-Output to a BD folder structure
-Load ImgBurn
-Use Build mode and select the folder you output to. NOTE: It must contain the BDMV *AND* Certificate directories!
-Make sure ImgBurn is set to use UDF 2.50. VERY IMPORTANT!!!
-Write it out to disc

If the BD folder is too large still for your disc, then you'll need to reencode. For that I recommend RipBot at the moment. It works fairly well but it takes a *LONG* time even on a fast machine. And you will, of course, reduce quality. Hope this helps!
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Do you need a blu-ray burner to make a backup of a blu-ray onto your hdd? Or do you just need the blu-ray drive?
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