CDFreaks’ “first look” at Labelflash™

**Jan70** · 04-01-2006

You can find it here: http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/249

Feel free to comment the "1st look" in this thread.

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*_chef_* · 04-01-2006

Hey, nice one!

With a little routine you can get really nice results, I think. Not even on LF media.

PS: I'm still wondering about "(c) 1995-2004" on the Nero infoscreen.

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*FidelC* · 05-01-2006

Sweeet! Im really thrilled about the idea of burning on a data side. This means no need to buy special overpriced media right away. I can use my laquer top TY and all i'll need is a quater inch left to label it!
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*Namoh* · 05-01-2006

I wonder if you can burn the same image more than once, just like LightScribe.

With LightScribe this is possible and it makes the burned image much better.

Is this also possible with LabelFlash?
And if yes, why haven't you tested it.

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Auzzie Kid · 05-01-2006

What about Labelflash CD-R media?

*_chef_* · 05-01-2006

Namoh,

you can easily burn on it over and over.

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*_chef_* · 05-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Auzzie Kid

What about Labelflash CD-R media?

Disc T@2 ???

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*_chef_* · 05-01-2006

Sorry for this 3rd post in a row, but I couldn't add it to prior made posts. You know, 30mins edit window.

other Labelflash visitors:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...15802&PageId=1

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtop...ght=labelflash

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*mrQQ* · 05-01-2006

uhm, why did it burn that ugly looking rectangle thing under the picture..?

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ScorpioSoft · 05-01-2006

Nice review, thanks!

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*Bob* · 05-01-2006

Thanks for the review:

Maybe some day there will be hub writable LF disc?

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*_chef_* · 05-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrQQ

uhm, why did it burn that ugly looking rectangle thing under the picture..?

I'm not sure what exactly you mean?

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Auzzie Kid · 06-01-2006

I heard that designs made on a LightScribe DVD are not as clear as they are on a LightScribe CD so does a LabelFlash DVD design look better than a LightScribe DVD design?

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Saruman · 12-01-2006

Why doesn't labelflash support CDR?

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andrew632 · 16-01-2006

What I'm curious about...is when these drives will be introduced into the North American consumer market. Does anyone know?

*Wesociety* · 16-01-2006

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What I'm curious about...is when these drives will be introduced into the North American consumer market. Does anyone know?

I'm not sure if this will EVER happen...

Fujifilm USA had no LabelFlash media on display at CES.

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willmore · 17-01-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saruman

Why doesn't labelflash support CDR?

Saruman,

I have *no* specific technical knowledge on this point, but I will make a guess.

A DVD is a sandwitch of two .6mm polycarbonite discs. Between them is some neglagable thickness media.

A CD is a 1.2mm thick polycarbonite disc with a neglagable thickness layer on *one side*.

So, if labelflash is a writable layer in the middle of the DVD, it doesn't take anything special for the laser to focus on it. It's already used to looking through .6mm of polycarbonite to write DVDs.

LightScribe writes on the *surface* of the disc--to support CD, it would *have* to as there isn't a transparent layer on the label side of a CD. A lightscribe DVD would need to have--from bottom up: .6mm polycarbonite layer, media layer, .6mm polycarbonite layer, lightscribe media layer. It'd need some backing behind the media layer to keep the printed label from 'infinite mirroring'. Have you ever had a completely clear (mirror) DVD that you wrote on with a marker? You get this reflection of a reflection of a reflection... effect (like a hall of mirrors with two mirrors facing each other). You probably don't want that on a label.

So, labelflash can't work on CDs because the laser can't focus that closely. Lightscribe optical units must have some special ability to focus on the front surface of the media where labelflash only has to focus on the middle (which it has to do anyway). So, labelflash should be a lot easier to add to a drive than lightscribe.

Of course, I've never even seen a piece of meda from either of these methods, so take what I've said as a guess and with a very large grain of salt--say a cow lick. For those of you from urban areas who don't know what a cow lick is, think of a 10 kilo sugar cube--but made of salt.

GMH · 26-02-2006

Yes, but these writers can write to a CD so focusing shouldn't be a problem when applying images / text to the data side (ie the DiscT@2 part of LabelFlash). I think either Ahead or NEC are lazy and just not implemented it yet... at least I HOPE that's the case, I'm pretty pi55ed it won't work with CD-R's.

x030rxm · 26-02-2006

Nice technical review.
It would have been nice to see a comparison made between the finished product of the LabelFlash, Lightscribe and conventional labelling technologies, and get a personal opinion as to whether this is a need to have or waste of time.
Is it a "winner", does the technology and time taken to burn the label add the necessary value to the finished product?
Do you think this technology will become popular with "freaks"?
Will it be more popular than Lightscribe?

Thanks again for the review...

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*_chef_* · 26-02-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by GMH

Yes, but these writers can write to a CD so focusing shouldn't be a problem when applying images / text to the data side (ie the DiscT@2 part of LabelFlash). I think either Ahead or NEC are lazy and just not implemented it yet... at least I HOPE that's the case, I'm pretty pi55ed it won't work with CD-R's.

Gives me a laughter. LF is only for DVD media, isn't that too hard to understand??

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*DrageMester* · 26-02-2006

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Gives me a laughter. LF is only for DVD media, isn't that too hard to understand??

Yes it is hard to understand, because LabelFlash (a.k.a. DiscT@2) can be used to label the data side of normal DVD+R and DVD-R media, and the DiscT@2 technology was originally developed for labelling the data side of CD-R media!

So why haven't NEC implemented DiscT@2 for CD-R media in their 3551/4551 drives? Laziness is definitely still one of the possible reasons as I see it!

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willmore · 07-03-2006

Sorry for the slow reply, I was away this last week.

I agree with DrageMester, when I first heard of data layer labeling techniques--in the Yamaha F1 which did DiscT@2, I was sure that would become a common feature of every drive. But, here we are years later and we're finally starting to see it come about and they have the gall to act like it's something new. Come on guys! This should have been a standard feature in every DVD burner made. Disc T@2 certainly predated almost every DVD burner in existance.

Now, the various laser techniques to label the *non-data* side of the disc are, IMHO, a waste of resources and doomed to failure. Ink Jet printers which handle CD/DVD media really seem like to way to go--they're faster, they're cheaper (come on, if an ink jet is cheaper than you, you're doing something *wrong*), they're color, and all they have to do is become more common. Even at that, there are probably more ink-jet printers which are CD/DVD capable than there are CD/DVD drives that can do *any* kind of labeling.

The only thing that makes sense is for every burner to support a data layer labeling technique for casual purposes and then to go to an ink jet printer with a proper matte white background for 'serious' labeling.

I hope we're not wandering off topic.

cftaiwan · 08-08-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by willmore

Saruman,

I have *no* specific technical knowledge on this point, but I will make a guess.

A DVD is a sandwitch of two .6mm polycarbonite discs. Between them is some neglagable thickness media.

A CD is a 1.2mm thick polycarbonite disc with a neglagable thickness layer on *one side*.

So, if labelflash is a writable layer in the middle of the DVD, it doesn't take anything special for the laser to focus on it. It's already used to looking through .6mm of polycarbonite to write DVDs.

LightScribe writes on the *surface* of the disc--to support CD, it would *have* to as there isn't a transparent layer on the label side of a CD. A lightscribe DVD would need to have--from bottom up: .6mm polycarbonite layer, media layer, .6mm polycarbonite layer, lightscribe media layer. It'd need some backing behind the media layer to keep the printed label from 'infinite mirroring'. Have you ever had a completely clear (mirror) DVD that you wrote on with a marker? You get this reflection of a reflection of a reflection... effect (like a hall of mirrors with two mirrors facing each other). You probably don't want that on a label.

So, labelflash can't work on CDs because the laser can't focus that closely. Lightscribe optical units must have some special ability to focus on the front surface of the media where labelflash only has to focus on the middle (which it has to do anyway). So, labelflash should be a lot easier to add to a drive than lightscribe.

Of course, I've never even seen a piece of meda from either of these methods, so take what I've said as a guess and with a very large grain of salt--say a cow lick. For those of you from urban areas who don't know what a cow lick is, think of a 10 kilo sugar cube--but made of salt.

You are right... For technical issues, it's not possible to get a CD-R Labelflash!
In fact it's very easy to understand.

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