Old 17-01-2008   #1
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Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Hello,

I have a new issue using DVDFab mobile function 4.0.5.0. I am usually using KMPlayer and GOMPlayer as media players on my PCs. I have encoded some DVDs with the generic.avi.xvid.audiocopy profile.

With KMPlayer, the video is ok but I have no audio. It seems KMP does not find any suitable audio codec.

Code:
Some of the streams in this movie are in an unsupported format. Error Num:40242.

Media Type 0:
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AM_MEDIA_TYPE:
majortype: MEDIATYPE_Audio({73647561-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71})
subtype: MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM({00000001-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71})
formattype: Unknown({00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000})
bFixedSizeSamples: True
bTemporalCompression: False
lSampleSize: 1
cbFormat: 0
pbFormat: $



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[Info Fichier]
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G:\xxxxxxxx.avi
General
Complete name : G:\xxxxxxxx.avi
Format : AVI
Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
Format/Family : RIFF
File size : 1.23 GiB
PlayTime : 1h 48mn
Bit rate : 1631 Kbps
StreamSize : 8.43 MiB
Movie name : xxxxxxxx
Director : xxxxxxxx
Writing application : Lavf51.19.0
Product : DVD_VOLUME
Video
Codec : XviD
Codec/Family : MPEG-4
Codec/Info : XviD project
Codec profile : Simple Profile/Level 3
Codec settings/PacketBitStream : No
Codec settings/BVOP : No
Codec settings/QPel : No
Codec settings/GMC : 0
Codec settings/Matrix : Default
PlayTime : 1h 48mn
Bit rate : 1172 Kbps
Width : 704 pixels
Height : 400 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Resolution : 8 bits
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
StreamSize : 906 MiB
BitRate_Nominal : 1156580.320
Audio
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 1h 48mn
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
StreamSize : 346 MiB


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[Info Système]
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CPU 0: 2327MHz, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz, x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6
CPU 1: 2327MHz, Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7600 @ 2.33GHz, x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6
OS: Windows NT Professional(Version 6.0 Build 6000) 
Video: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 120M

DirectX: 9.0c(4.09.00.0904)
Memory: All: 2'094'596 KB, Available: 786'052 KB, Used: 62%
CodePage: 1252, Charset:1
Instruction: MMX MMX2 SSE SSE2 SSE3 64Bits 

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PLAYBACK INFO
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[Filtergraph primaire]
0) - xxxxxxxx.avi
1) - AVI Splitter
2) - KMP Video Codec
3) - Video Mixing Renderer

[Info Vidéo]
Décodeur -No codec(Xvid-libcodec.dll)

[Info Audio]
Décodeur -No codec

[DSP Vidéo Basique]
Internal brightness: 100%

[DSP Vidéo Avancé]
+Video Plugin

[DSP Audio]
+Pre amplification: Main: (100%)
+Auto Volume Control
+Audio Plugin

[Réglages Sous-Titres]
+Draw Mode(Selected): Image
+Draw Mode(In use): On Overlay
+Text Rendering Method: Rasterizer
+Support HTML Tags(SMI)

[KMPlayer]
+Version: 2.9.3.1429(5'559'296, 16.12.2007 20:55:38)
+libcodec.dll: Exist(4'459'520, 16.12.2007 00:07:46)
+libmplay.dll: Exist(438'784, 21.08.2007 22:11:32)
+PProcDLL.dll: Exist(1'769'472, 30.11.2007 23:52:44)
+LibDTS.dll: Exist(144'384, 24.05.2007 09:01:04)
+liba52.dll: Exist(56'320, 24.05.2007 09:00:52)
+libfaad2.dll: Exist(212'480, 24.05.2007 09:00:28)
+libmad.dll: Exist(92'672, 24.05.2007 09:01:18)
+libmpeg2.dll: Exist(126'464, 24.05.2007 09:01:46)
+theora.dll: Exist(196'608, 13.04.2007 08:46:04)
+OggVorbis.dll: Exist(1'165'312, 24.05.2007 09:08:26)
+xviddll.dll: Exist(655'872, 29.07.2007 01:11:58)
+Old_QUARTZ.DLL: Exist(770'048, 05.05.1999 22:22:00)
+AboutDll.dll: Exist(105'472, 03.10.2005 14:12:18)
+DTView.dll: Exist(104'448, 20.11.2006 21:33:20)
+MPlayer.dll: Missed
+ImLoader.dll: Exist(856'064, 15.01.2006 14:21:26)
GOMPlayer crashes immediatly when trying to read the file.

I tried on 3 different computers running Vista 32bits. Same results.

I never had such issues with these players.

Any idea?
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Old 17-01-2008   #2
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Hi fdt. I suggest you try the free VLC media player and ffdshow . There is almost nothing this combination will not play. I've never tried the players you're using but VLC is hard to beat.
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Old 18-01-2008   #3
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Hi Signals,

The main advantage of these players is you don't need to install external codecs or libraries like ffdshow. Usually, KMPlayer is better than VLC but I will try with VLC.
FYI a friend of mine tried with NeroShowtime: it was able to play audio but crashes when displaying file info. He should send me more details about the error.
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

hi,

Looks your source audio-track is LPCM, now not support LPCM-audiocopy, so please select other profile try it.

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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Hi,

I have the same issue when reading xvid files with ac3(audiocopy profile) generated by DVDFab in the KMPlayer AND NeroShowTime.
KMplayer simply crashes at the beginning and generates an error but you can still see the video (without the sound) and NeroSHowTime shows an error in the audio but still plays the file.

It seems that DVDFab is not writting the correct audio info in the XVid file.

I will stop using DVDFab to generate Xvids from DVDs until this is fixed to be sure that I'm not generating a bunch of "corrupted" files.
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

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Originally Posted by pguizze View Post
Hi,
It seems that DVDFab is not writting the correct audio info in the XVid file.

I will stop using DVDFab to generate Xvids from DVDs until this is fixed to be sure that I'm not generating a bunch of "corrupted" files.
I do not think your statement here is correct. I use the generic.xvid.audiocopy across a variety of PC's and a wide range of NMP devices and it ALWAYS works. I have been doing this for MANY years.

I suggest that you look seriously at your codec installation and your software players or your soundtrack choice. I always use the DD5.1
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Hi Gregiboy,

You may have tested on many pcs, but apparenlty you haven't tried with the players we are talking about here.

The files are playing correctly on my media center and in VLC (which is on my media center.
BUT, there is a BUT.. apparently even if those players are playing the files generated by DVDFab without issues, some players that are not so tolerant displayed and showed us that the audio info is not written correctly in the xvid file.
I have installed KMplayer on another laptop (Vista as well) and tried reading the same files give me the same error.
Then it has nothing to do with my codec installation.

If we wrote in this forum is to help the DVDFab guys to improve their tool and to give them feedback on potential errors.

When we see that KMPLayer and NEROShowtime identify Ac3 as LPCM in the audio info of the DVDFAb xvid, there is something wrong, no ?

My statement is therefore correct.
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Your statement intrigued me...

I have just produced this file using the Generic.avi.avid.audiocopy from the "Bourne Ultimatum" and chose the DD5.1 English soundtrack

Firstly, I analysed the file with two analysis tools that I use all the time to check on inconsistencies. They are GSpot and MediaInfo. Here are the results:-

MediaInfo Results

Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 1h 50mn
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Sampling rate : 48 KHz

GSpot Results
0x2000 (Dolby AC3) AC3
48000Hz 384 kb/s tot , 6 chnls (3/2 .1)

I then played these files on three PC Clients (Windows XP) on which the FFDShow codec has been installed and tested them with NeroShowtime, WMP11, VLC & WinDVD 8. All play perfectly with 5.1 sound.

I then tested the file with the following Network Media Players:-

DLink DSM-320
Zensonic Z500
Ziova CS-505

Again, all played perfectly with 5.1 sound.

So are you suggesting to me that because KMPlayer will not play your file, this analysis is wrong and there is something wrong with all these players.

To be quite honest, I have never heard of nor tried KMPlayer and I think a lot of other users would be in the same boat.

I cannot see DVD Fab allocating resources to investigate a problem in a software player that may be non-compliant in the first place.

I know I wouldn't...
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

hi,

I have tested xvid.audiocopy.avi file by using KMplayer, it is play fine.
my KMplayer version is 2.9.3.1214.

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Audio
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 1h 48mn
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Bit rate mode : CBR
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, Subwoofer
Sampling rate : 48 KHz
StreamSize : 346 MiB
and I noticed in KMplayer report which post here by fdt, KMplayer has known the ac3 stream, I am not sure the reason of why KMplayer cannot correct play it.

because KMplayer is based on Directshow, all of it's works are depended on different filters on user's PC, so I think maybe it is the problem of one special avi-spiltter filter, which cannot be compatiable with DVDFab create audiocopy avi file.

I will do a test in the later and check which avi-splitter filter cause this problem.

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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

Hi Ting...

I think you are totally correct here...

Install FFDShow !!!!
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

I agree with you GregiBoy and Ting but as KMplayer is able to play DVD files without any issue, I assume that its built-in codecs are able to decode AC3 streams. So actually, I am using KMPlayer and nerver installed any other media player or codecs pack.
The applications I am currently using are AnyDVD, CloneDVD, CloneDVDMobile, ConvertXToDVD (from VSO ), Imtoo DVD Ripper and now DVDFab Platimum. And the only app which generates some files with issues is DVDFab (subtitles, choppy sound in WMV, no-sound avi with KMPlayer and GOMPlayer). So as a registered user (of 2 lics), I hope you will find a solution at least for subtitles and wmv. Avi is less important for me if other users report that it's working fine.

Thanks for your help and support.
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Re: Unable to read Xvid/AC3 file using KMPlayer or GOMPlayer

I think this problem is the same as the one here.

Observation in a nutshell:
Under Vista, no DirectShow player (e.g. WMP, Media Center) gives you any sound when you play DVDFab-generated "audiocopy" .AVI files with an AC3 or DTS soundtrack, although you have installed good DirectShow filters that can handle AC3/DTS (e.g. AC3Filter, Spdifer or ffdshow). You do get to see the muted video (H.264/Xvid) as long as you have a working DS filter for that.

Conclusion:
It seems as if these DVDFab-generated "audiocopy" .AVIs are incompatible with Vista's built-in .AVI source filter w.r.t. audio.

Further observations that point to this conclusion:
  • DS players under XP Plays these .AVIs with both audio and video as long as you have the required DS filters. But presumably Microsoft's .AVI source filter changed between XP and Vista.
  • Vista still gives you sound on AC3/DTS .AVIs generated with tools other than DVDFab using any DirectShow player as long as you have AC3/DTS DS filters installed. So it's not the AC3/DTS DS filters' fault - there's something special about DVDFab's version of the .AVI file container and Vista.
  • Media Player Classic under Vista plays these .AVIs fine as long as you leave its default setting of using its internal .AVI source filter (under Options->Internal Filters). But the moment you disable that and fallback to Vista's default .AVI source filter, MPC fails to give audio. (On that Options page you can also choose MPC's internal AC3/DTS filter or generic DS filters, and either works as long as you use MPC's .AVI source filter.)
  • VLC plays these .AVIs since it doesn't depend on DirectShow filters.
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