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DVDFab / DVD Region+CSS Free Discuss, High quality options for streaming to PS3 at Movie copy software forum; This is kind of linked I guess but does anyone know if WMP11 can stream to the PS3 with DTS if a suitable DTS amp is hooked in to it?

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gkinghrn (CD Freaks Member)
Posts: 117
Posted: 04-06-2008
This is kind of linked I guess but does anyone know if WMP11 can stream to the PS3 with DTS if a suitable DTS amp is hooked in to it?
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jeebuspwnz (New on Forum)
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Posted: 04-06-2008
I just waned to mention that I tried the described method with another movie and had perfect audio sync. I will try a few more and see how it goes.

The movie I tested had TONS of telecine-related issues and they were 100% corrected.
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 04-06-2008
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This is kind of linked I guess but does anyone know if WMP11 can stream to the PS3 with DTS if a suitable DTS amp is hooked in to it?
I'm not sure but you can probably find out by searching the mkv2vob forums.
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 05-06-2008
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I just tried your method and I have the same problem with audio sync. It starts out in sync but as the movie progresses, it gets further and further out of sync. By the end of the movie it's nearly 1 second off.
I believe what you are describing is called audio drift and is caused by irregular pulldown on the DVD. Re-encoding in MPEG2 or H264 may be your only option.


There is another type of sync issue that I have encountered that is correctable. It happens when there are a few blank frames at the beginning of the film. Most demuxers report a 0ms delay but the audio ends up out of sync by a consistent amount of time throughout the movie.

The blank frame problem can be corrected by using DGIndex to demux and a little trick from the DGIndex author. Once you have the correct VOB files queued up, hit the ">" button a few times to skip a few I-frames. Then hit the "[" button to change the start position. Now demux the streams, use pulldown to correct the flags, and remux as usual.
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gkinghrn (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 06-06-2008
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I'm not sure but you can probably find out by searching the mkv2vob forums.
Thanks..had a look but can't see anything...I'll do some experimenting I think and might as well post results somewhere for others...
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spicyvelveetas (New on Forum)
Posts: 5
Posted: 01-07-2008
Thanks for the work on this. I have used it successfully on a couple of movies.

I had a problem with one movie "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"
Seems to output a good VOB file. Plays on PC with no problems
1280x720 with good AC3 sync.

PS3 says it is corrupted. I transfer it using Twonky. Haven't tried a memory card or disc. The file is 5 GB. Too big for DVD.

Any help? Know of any tools to check MPEG2 integrity to see if it will be acceptable to PS3?

Thanks again!







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I'd like to take my favorite DVDs from my collection and make them into compatible files for steaming to the PS3. I already have streaming ability built in to my NAS box (Synology). I'm viewing the movies on a 52" 1080p HDTV with matching Dolby 5.1 and HDD storage space is not a concern. My PC is currently a Pentium 4 - 3Ghz so processing time is a concern.

Here are some of the options in DVD Fab Mobile and my experiences. Source in all cases is 480p 23.976fps with soft Telecine 3:2 Pulldown (a.k.a. 480i 29.970fps NTSC Film). Since quality was very important, the bitrate selected was always the highest possible. Streaming is over wired connection that routinely can handle 1080p content.

Playstation 3 Profile (mp4)
  • BAD: Encoding is very time consuming (~13fps)
  • BAD: Only offers 2-channel AAC. FYI, I've used other programs to get 6-channel AAC but it is never as good as the original AC3.
  • BAD: Playback is jerky
Generic avi h264 audiocopy
  • BAD: Comes up as unsupported on PS3
Generic avi xvid audiocopy
  • GOOD: Processing time (~55fps)
  • GOOD: Dolby 5.1
  • BAD: PS3 halts playback in places where original source had a frame order change of some sort (workaround is to fast forward past it).
  • BAD: Added artifacts on dark colors and some edges
Generic mkv (any)
  • BAD: Container not supported by my UPNP server. MKV is only supported by one UPNP server that I am aware of.
Vob Stream Copy
  • GOOD: Original content stream with Dolby 5.1
  • BAD: Frame judder due to 480i 29.970fps Telecine.
Even though most DVDs are made of 480p 23.976fps content, I have been unable to find a simple utility that will throw out the extra pulldown frames and leave the 480p 23.976fps frames. The best I can do is run it through mencoder using pullup and softskip to strip the extra frames but that involves a small loss of quality from re-compression. However, once the content is at 480p 23.976fps it plays without judder on the PS3 as a VOB.

I'm not picky about the container or codec used. My goals are simple:
  • Maintain the video quality of the original DVD.
  • Keep the 5.1 channel AC3 Audio
  • Streamed to the PS3 from my NAS
At some point Sony may update the PS3 to upscale streamed MPEG2 the same way as it plays DVDs. This would remove the frame judder issue from vob stream copies.

Suggestions are welcome.
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
Posts: 225
Posted: 01-07-2008
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Originally Posted by spicyvelveetas View Post
Thanks for the work on this. I have used it successfully on a couple of movies.

I had a problem with one movie "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"
Seems to output a good VOB file. Plays on PC with no problems
1280x720 with good AC3 sync.

PS3 says it is corrupted. I transfer it using Twonky. Haven't tried a memory card or disc. The file is 5 GB. Too big for DVD.

Any help? Know of any tools to check MPEG2 integrity to see if it will be acceptable to PS3?

Thanks again!
Please show me the complete Mencoder command you are running.

Also, you might try encoding just one chapter by adding "-chapter 3-3" as a test. The PS3 might just be hung up on something in the beginning of the file.

I use Gspot and MediaInfo to take a look at files but there is no real indication for what the PS3 might consider bad. The corrupted message on the PS3 has never happened to me on a Mencoder created VOB file.
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spicyvelveetas (New on Forum)
Posts: 5
Posted: 01-07-2008
The mencoder command is:
"c:\Documents and Settings\jbaker\Desktop\MPlayer-1.0rc2\mencoder.exe" dvd://1 -dvd-device "D:\VIDEO_TS" -alang en -channels 6 -oac copy -vf filmdint,hqdn3d,scale=1280:-2 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vqscale=2:vbitrate=8000: autoaspect:keyint=10 -of mpeg -ofps 24000/1001 -mpegopts format=dvd:tsaf:vframerate=24000/1001:vbuf_size=400 -o C:\Charlie.vob


I did see afterwards that you have started using a different scaling option. I wouldn't think that it is the problem though.

I have tried this particular command on "Star Wars", "Close Encounters", "Aladdin"... no issues. Just change the Input files and output files.

Any ideas?
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 01-07-2008
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The mencoder command is:
"c:\Documents and Settings\...\Desktop\MPlayer-1.0rc2\mencoder.exe" dvd://1 -dvd-device "D:\VIDEO_TS" -alang en -channels 6 -oac copy -vf filmdint,hqdn3d,scale=1280:-2 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg2video:vqscale=2:vbitrate=8000: autoaspect:keyint=10 -of mpeg -ofps 24000/1001 -mpegopts format=dvd:tsaf:vframerate=24000/1001:vbuf_size=400 -o C:\Charlie.vob


I did see afterwards that you have started using a different scaling option. I wouldn't think that it is the problem though.

I have tried this particular command on "Star Wars", "Close Encounters", "Aladdin"... no issues. Just change the Input files and output files.

Any ideas?
The command looks good. I did want to make sure that the source is one without copy protection. I usually rip the DVD to the hard drive and then encode (less wear on the DVD drive too).

The scaler option is really just a personal preference. The one I use is slower but better at removing jagged diagonal lines in the upscale.

I still think it is just something in the beginning of the file. Did you try encoding a single chapter (other than chapter 1)?
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monkeyrific (New on Forum)
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Posted: 02-07-2008
Thanks for all the hard work. I was shaking my head in frustration with the appearance of some DVDs on the PS3 until I came across your post. Just wanted to add a couple audio related things I noticed while using your two approaches. As far as audio drift with the tsmuxer/pulldown/imagompeg-muxer approach, I noticed two cases that seem to hold (at least in the few DVDs I've tried so far). If during the tsmuxer stage, you get the message "Warning! Source stream contains irregular pulldown marks" in the error box, then you will have audio drift and must use the mencoder approach. If you don't get this message, however, everything seems to work great.

Another thing that wasn't mentioned specifically here is that I found some VOBs have no sound when played on the PS3 even though they work fine on the PC, etc. The one instance where this happened, I noticed in tsmuxer that the "Delay (in ms)" field (when you click on an AC3/etc. audio stream) was non-zero. Of the intro and 5 episode VOBs I split out of the offending DVD using DVD Shrink, the one with zero delay played fine, but all the others with varying (-) 20-80 ms delays had no sound. I believe they were negative, but can't remember for sure (I already deleted the VOBs). In any case, I was able to correct this by simply demuxing with tsmuxer, then remuxing with imagompeg-muxer (i.e. no pulldown removal or anything else). The de/remuxed file played fine with sound.

Anyway, just thought these two things might help others...
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spicyvelveetas (New on Forum)
Posts: 5
Posted: 02-07-2008
I did rip it to the hard drive too. This was one that I ran from a "ripped" copy of the dvd. I will check the chapters and see if I can get a working subset of the whole movie.
Thanks

Wish this were easier!
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
Posts: 225
Posted: 02-07-2008
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Thanks for all the hard work. I was shaking my head in frustration with the appearance of some DVDs on the PS3 until I came across your post. Just wanted to add a couple audio related things I noticed while using your two approaches. As far as audio drift with the tsmuxer/pulldown/imagompeg-muxer approach, I noticed two cases that seem to hold (at least in the few DVDs I've tried so far). If during the tsmuxer stage, you get the message "Warning! Source stream contains irregular pulldown marks" in the error box, then you will have audio drift and must use the mencoder approach. If you don't get this message, however, everything seems to work great.

Another thing that wasn't mentioned specifically here is that I found some VOBs have no sound when played on the PS3 even though they work fine on the PC, etc. The one instance where this happened, I noticed in tsmuxer that the "Delay (in ms)" field (when you click on an AC3/etc. audio stream) was non-zero. Of the intro and 5 episode VOBs I split out of the offending DVD using DVD Shrink, the one with zero delay played fine, but all the others with varying (-) 20-80 ms delays had no sound. I believe they were negative, but can't remember for sure (I already deleted the VOBs). In any case, I was able to correct this by simply demuxing with tsmuxer, then remuxing with imagompeg-muxer (i.e. no pulldown removal or anything else). The de/remuxed file played fine with sound.

Anyway, just thought these two things might help others...
I don't have any movies that have this problem using Mencoder (yet) so I can only make guesses at this point.

For spicyvelveetas' no-sound problem, I think your approach of demux with tsMuxer and then mux with Imagompeg-muxer is worth a try. I believe Imagompeg is adding the necessary audio delay setting in the header for the PS3. If the problem could be detected prior to encoding then "-audio-delay" could be added to the Mencoder command to set the header correctly.

Maybe someone else knows a good way to detect the audio delay problem on the DVD. The only way I can think of is to use DGIndex to extract just the audio from the first VOB file and look at the file name. However, this requires you to know which VTS set is the correct title and I have found instances where DGIndex reports 0ms delay but there was actually a problem.

Another solution that comes to mind is to use the "-ss" option in Mencoder to skip the first second or more to get arround the problem. I think this could be used on an already encoded file like this:

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C:\path\to\mencoder.exe my_encoded_movie.vob -ss 2 -oac copy -ovc copy -o my_fixed_movie.vob
Here is an example of adding "-endpos" to the command to take just the first few minutes as a test file:

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C:\path\to\mencoder.exe my_encoded_movie.vob -ss 2 −endpos 00:10:00 -oac copy -ovc copy -o my_fixed_movie_test.vob
I don't use the pulldown approach much because the results were so inconsistent and the process does not lend itself to running a batch of movies overnight.
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spicyvelveetas (New on Forum)
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Posted: 03-07-2008
I got this movie to work last night. Thanks for the help. The chapters didn't really give me much help, but as I was watching I saw a scr error. I then tried the noskip option. This seems to have worked.

Thanks again.

I saw that 2.40 firmware is out and the noise reduction options, previously only for DVD, are now available for HDD video. I wonder if this means they are going to use the DVD video processing and pulldown will be better for our HDD videos?!? No mention of it but it may not be savvy to admit the problem.





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The command looks good. I did want to make sure that the source is one without copy protection. I usually rip the DVD to the hard drive and then encode (less wear on the DVD drive too).

The scaler option is really just a personal preference. The one I use is slower but better at removing jagged diagonal lines in the upscale.

I still think it is just something in the beginning of the file. Did you try encoding a single chapter (other than chapter 1)?
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 03-07-2008
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Originally Posted by spicyvelveetas View Post
I got this movie to work last night. Thanks for the help. The chapters didn't really give me much help, but as I was watching I saw a scr error. I then tried the noskip option. This seems to have worked.

Thanks again.

I saw that 2.40 firmware is out and the noise reduction options, previously only for DVD, are now available for HDD video. I wonder if this means they are going to use the DVD video processing and pulldown will be better for our HDD videos?!? No mention of it but it may not be savvy to admit the problem.
I'll keep the "-noskip" option in mind if I ever run into the no-audio problem.

I installed the 2.40 firmware on the PS3 before they pulled it. Guess I am lucky that it didn't brick my unit. Unfortunately, frame judder is even worse with the new firmware. I test each new firmware as it comes out and will certainly report back if Sony ever fix the problem.
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spicyvelveetas (New on Forum)
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Posted: 03-07-2008
That's too bad. It sounded somewhat promising. I didn't load 2.40. I hope it gets fixed and reloaded. The features sound good (aside from the judder).

BTW, have you upgraded you HDD to store more movies or are you only NAS? I like the local option for most things. It seems a bit more responsive.
I'd like to add a whopping external drive, but the thing has to be fat32 right, hence no big mpegs.

Thanks again. I'll keep checking back here to see if the firmware ever fixes the judder

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I'll keep the "-noskip" option in mind if I ever run into the no-audio problem.

I installed the 2.40 firmware on the PS3 before they pulled it. Guess I am lucky that it didn't brick my unit. Unfortunately, frame judder is even worse with the new firmware. I test each new firmware as it comes out and will certainly report back if Sony ever fix the problem.
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 03-07-2008
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BTW, have you upgraded you HDD to store more movies or are you only NAS? I like the local option for most things. It seems a bit more responsive.
I'd like to add a whopping external drive, but the thing has to be fat32 right, hence no big mpegs.
No upgraded HDD here as there is almost nothing on it. I have a Synology NAS with 4 drives in RAID5 with some cool benefits:
  • Allows me to have a NMT Popcorn Hour in the bedroom that is absolutely silent because it has no HDD and no fan. The Popcorn Hour will play just about everything but needs a NFS source to work well. It doesn't have as good of an upscale as the PS3.
  • The NAS is in the garage so I don't have to live with the noise.
  • Serves as my main file store for my wife and I.
  • Automatic backup to an external USB drive each night.
  • The drives spin down when not in use for a while which helps on th electricity bill. This is one of the main reasons I selected the Synology NAS over others.
Sorry if this sounds like an advertisement but it is one of the best devices I ever bought.
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Complication (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 16-07-2008
With each new version of the PS3 firmware I retest the frame judder problem on unaltered DVD content that uses soft telecine. As of PS3 firmware 2.41, the frame judder problem seems to be eliminated or reduced to almost none.

This means that Vob passthrough in DVDFab can be used to generate files for the PS3. I've confirmed this using my test clips and a couple of recent movies. I'd like to see others verify my findings.
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gkinghrn (CD Freaks Member)
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Posted: 16-07-2008
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With each new version of the PS3 firmware I retest the frame judder problem on unaltered DVD content that uses soft telecine. As of PS3 firmware 2.41, the frame judder problem seems to be eliminated or reduced to almost none.

This means that Vob passthrough in DVDFab can be used to generate files for the PS3. I've confirmed this using my test clips and a couple of recent movies. I'd like to see others verify my findings.
Remember folkks this is only for NTSC VOB's ...those of using PAL don't see this is my understanding...
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jrussell17 (New on Forum)
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Posted: 20-02-2009
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Ok, save this as a batch file and change the location of your Mplayer directory as approprate:

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@ECHO off

REM *****
REM ***** Change these based on the source movie
REM *****
SET DVD_FOLDER="C:\Movies\My Movie\VIDEO_TS"
SET TITLE=1
SET DEST_NAME=My_Movie
SET DEST_FOLDER=C:\Movies\

REM *****
REM ***** Change these based on your Mencoder location  *****
REM *****
SET MENCODER=c:\Movies\_tools\MPlayer-1.0rc2\mencoder.exe
SET X264_OPTS=nointerlaced:keyint=10:subq=6:trellis=2
SET FILTER_OPTS=filmdint,hqdn3d,scale=1920:-2 -sws 9
SET SOURCE=dvd://%TITLE% -dvd-device %DVD_FOLDER%

%MENCODER% %SOURCE% -nosound -vf %FILTER_OPTS% -ovc x264 -x264encopts crf=2:%X264_OPTS%:pass=1:turbo=1 -ofps 24000/1001 -o nul: -passlogfile %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%.pass1.log

REM ***** Add or remove these lines to run different bitrates
SET BITRATE=2500
%MENCODER% %SOURCE% -alang en -channels 6 -oac copy -vf %FILTER_OPTS% -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=%BITRATE%:%X264_OPTS%:pass=2 -ofps 24000/1001 -of lavf -o %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%_%BITRATE%.avi -passlogfile %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%.pass1.log
SET BITRATE=5000
%MENCODER% %SOURCE% -alang en -channels 6 -oac copy -vf %FILTER_OPTS% -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=%BITRATE%:%X264_OPTS%:pass=2 -ofps 24000/1001 -of lavf -o %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%_%BITRATE%.avi -passlogfile %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%.pass1.log
SET BITRATE=8000
%MENCODER% %SOURCE% -alang en -channels 6 -oac copy -vf %FILTER_OPTS% -ovc x264 -x264encopts bitrate=%BITRATE%:%X264_OPTS%:pass=2 -ofps 24000/1001 -of lavf -o %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%_%BITRATE%.avi -passlogfile %DEST_FOLDER%%DEST_NAME%.pass1.log
This will create three AVI files at bitrates of 2500, 5000, and 8000. After you have created the AVI files you will need to use Mkvmerge (part of mkvtoolnix) to create an MKV and then mkv2vob to create the final vob file. Sorry, there is not a simpler way at the moment.

Make sure your source DVD is NTSC Film content. Obviously you need to change the movie and mencoder locations.

If you would like to only try one chapter the you can add "-chapter 1-1" to the end of the DVD_FOLDER like this:

Code:
SET DVD_FOLDER="C:\Movies\My Movie\VIDEO_TS" -chapter 1-1
As for threads, I read that allowing them can degrade quality considerably. If you would like to try it then simply add ":threads=auto" to the end of the COMMON_OPTS.
Here is a linux rewrite of the same script. Though I would share...

#!/bin/bash

#Usage dvdrip <NAME>

NAME=$1

mkdir ~/$NAME

cd ~/$NAME

dvdxchap /dev/sr0 > $NAME.chaps.txt

mplayer dvd://1 -dumpstream -dumpfile $NAME.vob

mplayer $NAME.vob -aid 128 -dumpaudio -dumpfile $NAME.ac3

mencoder $NAME.vob -vf scale=1280:-3,harddup -nosound -ovc x264 -x264encopts threads=auto:subq=5:bframes=3:b_pyramid:weight_b:turbo=1:pass=1:psnr:bitrate=1350 -oac copy -of rawvideo -o /dev/null

mencoder $NAME.vob -vf scale=1280:-3,harddup -nosound -ovc x264 -x264encopts threads=auto:bitrate=1350:subq=6:partitions=all:8x8dct:me=umh:frameref=5:bframes=3:b_pyram id:weight_b:pass=2:psnr oac copy -of rawvideo -o $NAME.264

MP4Box -add $NAME.264 $NAME.mp4

mkvmerge $NAME.mp4 $NAME.ac3 --chapters $NAME.chaps.txt -o $NAME.mkv --title $NAME


Just install mplayer, x264, mkvtoolnix, and gpac
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