Software Problem: DvdFab not working with Vista

Have you tried Pathplayer as 'Always Disabled'?

If that doesn't work, and you have an antivirus program running, that may be the cause.

Please advise.

OC

The program doesn't get to the point that path player should be an issue. It recognizes the disk and Windows kills it

Why does 6020 work and everything later fails?

I am running the beta of Microsoft Security Essentials. I will try disabling that.

Dick

Hi Dick
You say v6020 works just for the heck of it re-install v6030 and during the install you are given an option to install the VSO software(burn engine), un-check the box so it is not installed thus keeping the VSO software from v6020...maybe the updated VSO burn engine is the cause.

I have been using Copy2DVD for years. I don't install the VSO burn engine from DVDFab. I also had the problem with ImgBurn installed per your instructions.

I have received a new license key from DVDFab. I will give that a try.

Dick

Does DVDFab not work on Vista Ultimate x64? I've tried installing DVDFab on Vista x64 Ultimate, and it does absolutely nothing. It won't start up, or anything. I've disable the UAC, but it still doesn't do anything.

If I double click on the executable, every 5th time that I click on the DVDFab.exe it will show up in the processes for a split second and then disappear. It seems that DVDFab doesn't want to start under Windows Ultimate x64.

Any ideas as to what could be causing this? Has anyone gotten DVD Fab to work under Vista Ultimate x64, and if so which version of DVDFab are you using?

Has anyone been able to successfully get 6.0.2.2 or 6.0.3.0 to work under Vista Ultimate x64?

Hi slipaway
Does DVDFab shut down with or without a DVD in your drive ?
also on the DEP settings do you have a tick mark next to "Turn on DEP for all programs and services except those I seclect"

and about UAC...it doesn't need to be disabled, however you can make changes to UAC in-> Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Local Security Policy/Security Options

StormJumper,

I have DEP turned on, I have the DVDFab.exe file as the only exception. There are no disks in any of the drives (I have 2 DVD burners), no disks are in either.

I'm directly booted into Vista x64 Ultimate. This is an Apple Mac Pro (with dual Quad-core XEON's) if that matters at all. (I don't think the hardware should matter, but I was just mentioning it, in case there were any known incompatibilities).

Also the his machine has MagicISO, VNC Viewer/Server, MagicDisc, AVG Free, and Daemon Tools installed.

Regardless of what I do, the DVDFab.exe fails to start. Are there any error logs anywhere that could possibly give me a clue, or are there any logs that I can post that might help with figuring out why it won't start?

I've done everything I can think of to try and get this software to work, to include uninstalling, reinstalling, and I have UAC disabled, I have DEP exception for the DVDFab.exe, any ideas on anything else? Any ideas as to why it's not working?

From what I have read about DVDFab running on a Mac, it needs to be ran within VM...
there are a few threads on this so maybe do a search for those threads

Stormjumper,

I believe you are thinking that in order to run DVDFab (windows based software) that it would need to be run in a VM (Virtual Machine of a Windows based operating system), but I'm directly booted into Vista (not OS X), so I shouldn't have to run a VM (as far as I know). I'm booted directly into Windows Vista x64 (bare metal not VM).

I've read threads of people running OS X and attempting to run DVDFab in a VM (under OS X) complaining that there was no OS X version and that they had to run under a VM, but I'm running a native bare metal Vista installation.

PC Hardware is hardware. If I setup a dual-boot system, and am booted directly into Vista, I'm not using OS X at all, and I'm booted directly into Vista (the new mac is nothing but PC hardware anyways). I can't imagine that I would need to install VMWare Workstation under Vista x64, and attempt to load a VM of Vista into a VM on a native Vista x64 installation.

Could you point me to some links, because if I'm booted directly into Vista (I have a dual boot partition, and I'm not using OS X at all, I'm directly booted into Vista).

I installed DVDFab 6.0.30 on my HP Laptop (running Vista Ultimate x64) just to confirm that it's not a hardware problem and it's not working either. So it doesn't seem to be a hardware problem, this is something wrong with the software.

Do you have an older version of the software that I can download? I was reading how anything after 6.2.0.0 doesn't seem to be working properly on Vista x64. Is there an older version that I can download and try to use?

Are there any logs or anything that could at least give us a clue as to what is going on, and why the DVDFab process won't even start?

I have every version going back to v2.9 they can't be downloaded any, but can be sent by email if you wish send me a PM(private message) with your email address and I will send you v5250
Don't post it here in the forum cause it can and will lead to un-wanted spam

StormJumper, I just installed 6.0.2.2 on another PC that I had (a second HP laptop running Vista Premium x64) and it installed.

I didn't have to change any settings or anything. It just installed first try, and when I click on the icon it fires up.

I'm wondering if it could be some software installed, because on my desktop and my other laptop, I have identical software installed (Adobe Premiere Suite, ISO Magic, Daemon Tools, etc.) I'm wondering if something could be causing a conflict? I'm going to remove everything from MS Config, and see if I can try to figure out what could possibly be causing it not to function or start up on my Vista x64 Ultimate PC's.

Now that I know the 6.0.2.2 does work (at least on Vista Premium x64), I want to try and figure out why it's not working on the Ultimate. I'll post any findings over the next half hour or hour if I can figure out exactly what is causing it (or at least narrow the problem down a bit more). It seems to only affect my two Windows Vista Ultimate x64 PC's.

I'll let you know if I find anything.

StormJumper, I noticed when installing on my Vista Ultimate machine, it doesn't ask to reboot the computer (when it's finished installing). Is something not getting installed properly, and why isn't it asking to reboot the computer when it's finished installing?

Stormjumper, one thing that was different on these two machines (other than the fact that they are Windows Vista Ultimate x64) is that ImgBurn was installed.

I uninstalled it. The problem is the first time I installed 6.0.2.2 on my Windows Vista Premium x64 machine, it asked for a reboot. After the reboot DVDFab 6 worked on that machine (on one my laptops). Now the problem is it's not working (or asking for a reboot) when I installed it on my desktop (Vista Ultimate x64).

Any ideas as to what could be not installing properly, and why it isn't working on Vista Ultimate x64?

I've completely uninstalled, and reinstalled DVDFab 6 several times... I've removed Daemon Tools, and just about everything else that I could think of (that could possibly be causing a conflict?) I still have Nero installed, should I remove that as well? I just don't understand why the DVDFab 6 process won't even start up or anything. If I click on the icon, about every 5th time it will start for just a split second and shut down immediately. Any ideas?

Is there any type of logs, or a debugger or any way I can look at a log file to figure out why DVDFab 6 is not starting up?

I trust you realize that there may not be anything not installing properly.

When Fab is installed, it adds itself to both the DEP list and the File Association list, and some versions of Windoze require a re-boot for those changes to be effective and recognized by the system. Vista Ultimate may not require that reboot, which may be why it doesn't happen.

And another problem...the BIOS for the Mac is written for the Mac, and it wouldn't surprise me to learn that even on your partitioned HD and the Hard Vista boot, that at least a portion of the Mac OS is loaded.

I also wouldn't be surprised to learn that Windoze and whatever of the Mac OS loads aren't talking to each other...they weren't written to work together. And that's another potential source for faulty operation of PC software.

The authors of VM Software and others knew this, which is why they wrote the utilities they did...to allow two different OS's to work together. Your Vista-Only in a Mac may be doomed to never work properly unless you can provide a virtual environment where the OS's can work together.

But don't take just my word for it...find a Mac forum and get some of their feedback.

IMHO.

OC

One thing that I noticed was the one machine that it did work on was a Vista x64 Premium with an AMD64 processor (X2), and the two machines that it didn't work on were on Vista Ultimate x64 with Intel based 64-bit processors. Would that have anything to do with the problem? I noticed the Pcouffin device was for AMD 64 bit systems, could the problem be with the Pcouffin device?

OCanada,

> And another problem...the BIOS for the Mac is written for the Mac,

Mac's don't have any type of bios. They use EFI.

>I also wouldn't be surprised to learn that Windoze and whatever of >the Mac OS loads aren't talking to each other...

You're NOT understanding... there is NOTHING that the "Mac OS" loads, because this has nothing to do with MacOS. I am running a 100% Windows Vista installation (yes, Vista does support standard Intel hardware platforms natively) and yes Vista works perfectly on Intel-based hardware. I've never had a single problem with anything, and this is the only program that I have ever seen that refuses to start properly, and my laptop is an HP laptop, and it refuses to start as well.

> they weren't written to work together.

Apparently you don't (or have never) owned a Mac, because you're completely clueless as to what a Mac even is. At the hardware layer, the Mac is nothing but a standard Windows PC. Yes, you can take standard PC hardware (Intel-based hardware) and "build a mac". Yes, in the old days they used proprietary hardware, but those days are gone. The new Mac Pro's are nothing but Intel (and COTS hardware).

As for what you are saying about "VM". Listen, there is absolutely no reason to use ANY type of "VM" with a Mac. You can boot directly into a Native Windows Vista (or XP, or Linux, or any other type of OS) natively (using a standard boot loader) exactly like you do with a PC. This is nothing more than a PC, with three separate partitions on the hard drive (one for BSD/OSX, one for Vista x64, and one for Linux). I run three operating systems (all in separate partitions) but OS X is nothing but a flavor of BSD running on standard Intel hardware.

Yes, you can read about people running standard vanilla OS X on standard off the shell PC hardware (unmodified). The Mac Pro is nothing more than standard Intel and COTS hardware.

Now to answer your questions, why did VMWare create "Fusion"? The same reason that VMWare created Workstation 6.5.

You are saying "The authors of VM software and others knew this"? That is an incorrect statement. The reason VM software was created so you could run a Virtual Machine (if you wanted to). Back in the old days (when Macs were based on Motorolla Power PC processors and proprietary hardware) it was impossible to run Windows on a mac.

You had to use "Virtualization" software (such as PC2005) or Parallels. Those days are gone. Now with the new Intel hardware, you can install anything you want on the machine (plain vanilla, it's nothing more than a standard PC now, with a BSD partition... with "OS X" installed on that partition). That's all a "Mac" is (as of 2008/2009).

As for why users use stuff like VMWare Workstation 6.5, or VMWare Fusion? That's simple... because why do YOU as a Windows user use Workstation 6.5? If you want to run Linux under Windows, you can use VMWare.

Same thing for Linux users that want to run Windows (under Linux) they use VMWare, and same with OS X users that want to run Windows (under OS X).

Yes, if I want to run my Vista partition (inside of a window, inside of OS X) that is possible to do with Fusion (it will boot that Windows partition, not as a VM, but as an actual partition inside of OS X). This way I can use Unity, and run my Windows Operating system (transparently) from inside OS X.

Now that's NOT what I'm trying to do here, because when you are ripping DVD's, or ripping music, or doing graphics intensive things (like Adobe Premiere, etc.) it's better to just boot directly into Vista (on the Vista boot partition) and run Vista natively 100% on the Intel hardware.

There is absolutely NOTHING "os x" or Linux, or BSD, or anything else loaded. It's just standard Windows OS on standard Intel-based hardware.

Yes, newer Intel hardard uses EFI, and does not use a BIOS. Old legacy machines (2007 and earlier) used a BIOS. Most modern machines 2009 and newer, have moved towards GPT and EFI.

Old PC Bios is legacy. Now computer software runs on a completely different layer, and has nothing to do with the actual hardware layer. If DVD Shrink, and Nero, and every single other application on this planet runs properly... I've never heard of a single application not working on Vista.

You stated: "It wouldn't surprise me to learn that even on your partitioned HD and the Hard Vista boot, that at least a portion of the Mac OS is loaded."

That's like saying: "It wouldn't surprise me to learn that your Windows Vista Operating system is loaded if you use your boot loader and boot directly into Linux."

I don't even have OS X on the same hard drive. Vista is on my primary hard drive, and just to prove it... I've powered down my PC, pressed a nice lever, opened up the case, and pressed one little button and slid the "OS X" hard drive out of the computer. Took me a whole 30 seconds to do. Now there is no such thing as ANY "OS X" in my computer.

Now it's just a standard 1.5TB Barracuda 7200.11 drive with nothing on it but Vista Ultimate x64. I'm just using the standard Windows Vista boot loader. No magic, no smoke and mirrors.

My HP laptop has nothing to do with a Mac or "OS X" either. Nor do any of these other users complaining that DVDFab isn't working, or won't start up.

So I'm really thinking that this is more of a PCouffin problem, but whatever it is... it's certainly isolated to one specific program, and that's DVDFab.

I've used DVD Decrypter, and DVD Shrink without any problems, on all 3 of my computers.

OK...Fair enough...I'm not a Mac owner and have no intention of getting one...doesn't alter the fact that some running VMWare have no problems with DVDFab and Vista (as has been posted here before), yet it won't work on your system.

With no Mac experience, I'll bow out now, but my advice to get on a Mac forum and get their feedback still applies...


OC

Everyone that I've talked to (including Apple) has said that "it's a software problem" (with DVDFab).

Those running VMWare add an additional layer (of problems/issues) since VMWare "virtualizes" the hardware, and acts as a "gateway" between the actual baremetal hardware, and the OS. In my experience, virtualization tends to run slower (than native hardware) and requires quite a bit of processing load/overhead.

I do use it from time to time if I'm just running some "Windows only" software applications (under OS X), but anytime I'm doing any type of "hardware intensive" work (like video editing, Photoshop, etc.) then I'll run the application natively. If it's a Windows application (for example I have CS4 in both Windows and OS X). Windows CS4 is true 64-bit (whereas the OS X version is still only 32-bit) so I use CS4 natively in Windows (to take advantage of all 32GB of ram, and the faster processing speed of running on baremetal instead of virtualization).

This thread was started 4 days ago, from another user having an identical problem (and identical experience) that I am having:

http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/just-i...-start-279753/

I have tried 6.0.2.2 as well as 6.0.3.0, but neither will start. I have installed 6.0.2.2 on one of my laptops (with an AMD Turion X2 64-bit processor) and it seems to start up and work fine.

Yet the software won't start (or run) on the two Intel-based systems. So I'm beginning to wonder if this is a "pcouffin device for Amd 64bit systems" problem?

It seems to work properly on AMD 64-bit systems, but is there a "pcouffin device for 64bit Intel systems?"

Could this be a pcouffin problem? Does pcouffin work on 64-bit Intel Machines? Will DVDFab work/start or even run without pcouffin?

I'm not a software developer (but I am a computer engineer) but it's hard for me to even give a clue as to what is wrong with the DVDFab software without knowing where the log files are, or if any logging is even being done by the DVDFab software.

Could someone please give me a little bit of help as to how I can run a debugger, or find some log files that would at least give the software developer a clue as to what is wrong with the DVDFab software? (and why it's failing to load/start)