DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording

**Wombler** · 01-02-2012

DVDFab currently uses a workaround for Cinavia protected discs that involves creating a protected backup in a format that DVDFab's producers have named BDMV-REC.

One potential problem with this though is that in order to create a protected BDMV-REC backup you must have a Blu-ray writer that supports 'binding nonce generation'. So what on Earth is that then?

For those that feel the need to know, the 'binding nonce' is a 128 bit key that your drive generates which is used to cryptographically link the data on the disc, to that particular disc. It's part of the AACS specs and is intended to prevent 'rollback attacks'.

As with anything involving AACS the precise technical details behind this are complex but fortunately it's not necessary for users to familiarise themselves with the inner workings and all that most users need to know is, does my existing drive (or the drive I'm intending to purchase) support 'binding nonce generation'?

Ideally there should be a list of supported drives available but I've searched exhaustively and there doesn't seem to be such a list anywhere online.

So here's the first list of supported drives brought to you exclusively by MyCE and based on my own online research.

If you'd like to help to add to this list please post here in this thread and I'll add your details to this first post.

DVDFab users can check their drive's capabilities by going to Common Settings -> Info as as shown below.

Binding Nonce Generation.jpg

Users without DVDFab can also check whether their drive supports this feature or not from ImgBurn by going to Tools -> Drive -> Capabilities and checking the status of the 'binding nonce generation' checkbox at the bottom of the screen.

Anyway, here's the actual list.

Drives that are known to support 'binding nonce generation'

ASUS: SBW-06C1S-U (only with VSO burning engine)

Buffalo: BR3D-12U3

HP: CH20L

LG: BE12LU30, BH12LS30, BH12LS35, BH12NS38, BH14NS40, BH20N, GGW-H20L, LG BH08, LG BH10, WH08LS20, WH10LS30, WH12LS30, BP06LU10

Optiarc: BD-5300S

Pioneer: BDR-205, BDR-206, BDR-207M, BDR-207D, BDR-TD03, S07XLT

Plextor: PX-B940SA

Samsung: SE506AB

Sony: BDX-S500U, BDX-S600U, BWU-500S

Panasonic: UJ-220

Drives that don't currently support 'binding nonce generation'

Asus: BW-12B1ST

Liteon: iHBS112, iHBS212, iHBS312

Memorex: 800L v1

Plextor: PX-LB950UE

Wombler

*zhadoom* · 02-02-2012

Imgburn show that BH12LS30 is "binding nonce generation" OK.

**Wombler** · 02-02-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by zhadoom

Imgburn show that BH12LS30 is "binding nonce generation" OK.

Thanks for that zhadoom.

I've added it in.

Wombler

*2601* · 03-02-2012

Supported Drives:

Pioneer BDR-207M, Sony BWU-500S

Unsupported Drives:

Liteon: iHBS312, Plextor PX-LB950UE

**Wombler** · 03-02-2012

Hey thanks for that as I was assuming the Pioneer BDR-207M would work but hadn't heard anything about its detailed specs yet.

Thanks for posting as this will help out others.

Wombler

sorewinner · 08-03-2012

To add to this list, the Panasonic/Matsushita UJ family SHOULD support binding nonce, since my UJ-220 does. I don't think they would remove it from later models.

**Wombler** · 10-03-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by sorewinner

To add to this list, the Panasonic/Matsushita UJ family SHOULD support binding nonce, since my UJ-220 does. I don't think they would remove it from later models.

Thanks, sorewinner I've added that one in.

Wombler

carlupq · 28-03-2012

Add Pioneer laptop drive BDR-TD03...

-----
Info for drive [D:\] (DVDFab 8.1.6.3) Vendor: PIONEER
Product: BD-RW BDR-TD03
Revision: 1.20
Vendor specific: 11/02/09 PIONEER
Drive region control: RPC II
Drive region: 1
User changes left: 4
Vendor resets left: 4
AACS version: 1
Number of concurrent AGIDs: 1
Supports bus encryption: YES
Supports binding nonce generation: YES
No disc in drive.

**Wombler** · 28-03-2012

That's great, thanks for that.

Oh and welcome to the forums!

Nice first post BTW.

Wombler

kth · 12-05-2012

The Pioneer BDR-207DBK (BDR-207D) supports "binding nonce generation".

**Wombler** · 12-05-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by kth

The Pioneer BDR-207DBK (BDR-207D) supports "binding nonce generation".

Thanks kth it's been added in.

Wombler

Gunzzo · 06-07-2012

Imgburn show that LG WH12LS30 is "binding nonce generation" OK.

**Wombler** · 06-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunzzo

Imgburn show that LG WH12LS30 is "binding nonce generation" OK.

Thanks Gunzzo I've added that one in.

Wombler

Nnyan · 09-07-2012

Have an external USB 3.0 Buffalo BR3D-12U3 (detected in IMGBURN as HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH12NS38 EL00 if that matters to anyone) and it supports Binding Nonce Generation.

**Wombler** · 09-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nnyan

Have an external USB 3.0 Buffalo BR3D-12U3 (detected in IMGBURN as HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH12NS38 EL00 if that matters to anyone) and it supports Binding Nonce Generation.

Thanks Nnyan and welcome to the forums.

We don't have any Buffalo drives listed so far so that's a useful one to add to the list.

The drive inside appears to be an LG that we don't have listed either so that's two for the price of one.

Wombler

Nnyan · 10-07-2012

Glad I could help! Odds are we're going to buy a number of BD devices I'll check them as I get them.

**Wombler** · 10-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nnyan

Glad I could help! Odds are we're going to buy a number of BD devices I'll check them as I get them.

Much appreciated.

Wombler

Beemer Biker · 13-07-2012

The following support binding nonce

LG: BH14NS40
Samsung Portable: SE506AB

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**Wombler** · 29-07-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beemer Biker

The following support binding nonce

LG: BH14NS40
Samsung Portable: SE506AB

Thanks for that Beemer Biker.

I've added those in.

Wombler

brel · 08-12-2012

Does anybody know if the Panasonic UJ-240 and Plextor PX-B940SA support binding nonce generation?

**Wombler** · 08-12-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by brel

Does anybody know if the Panasonic UJ-240 and Plextor PX-B940SA support binding nonce generation?

The Plextor PX-B940SA certainly does, so I've added it in above.

I'm not sure about the other one though but perhaps someone with this drive can advise.

Oh and welcome to the forums by the way.

Wombler

brel · 10-12-2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wombler

The Plextor PX-B940SA certainly does, so I've added it in above.

I'm not sure about the other one though but perhaps someone with this drive can advise.

Oh and welcome to the forums by the way.

Wombler

Thanks for the reply and the warm welcome sir! I'm just looking for my first blu-ray writer and glad to have discovered this forum.

brel · 18-12-2012

Hi again! Still haven't bought a writer... I'm a bit overwhelmed with the number of options. I hopefully plan to get the latest budget blu-ray writer that supports:

[1] Binding Nonce Generation
[2] LTH discs
[3] Modisc

I know it will be difficult to get all the features so my priority is from top (#1 - being most important) to bottom (#3 - which is least important). But the Blu-ray write speed should not go lower than 12x.

After some research, found out about the following brands and models:

A. Pioneer BDR-208DBK with 15X speed
B. LG WH14NS40 with 14X speed
C. Pioneer BDR-207DBK with 12x speed

I've read some reviews of the drives except drive A, but can't find the complete features list of each especially the important "Binding nonce generation". Would appreciate it if anybody can give me some info whether the above drives supports any of the features mentioned and are they good value. Thanks in advance!

**Wombler** · 18-12-2012

All those drives support LTH but as far as I'm aware only LG drives support M-Disc at present.

The Pioneer 207DBK supports binding nonce generation and it's very likely that the other two do too, as all the previous models did, but I can't find any definitive confirmation of that ATM.

Perhaps someone with one of those drives can add to this?

Wombler

brel · 19-12-2012

What about the LG WH14NS40? Anybody knows if it supports "binding nonce generation"? Looks like it's the lowest priced burner among the three selling at about USD 55 (at amazon.com and newegg.com) with free 10 packs BD media as limited offer.

Also, I found another Pioneer writer that may be better than the BDR-208DBK since it can write up to 128GB on BD-R QL media and also 100GB on BD-R TL media! Check out the Pioneer BDR-2208 priced at about USD 100. But in newegg.com, the drive garnered some negative reviews and have received up to 4 stars out of 5 only with 10 reviewers while the LG WH14NS40 also received 4 stars but with 119 mixed reviewers.

I am leaning towards buying the LG WH14NS40. The only thing still keeping me from moving forward is not sure if the blu-ray burner supports "binding nonce generation" and that I have bad experience with an LG DVD Writer before. It conked-out on me after one year of average use.

02-02-2012	#2
zhadoom MyCE Resident Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Brasil - RS Posts: 1,369	re: DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording Imgburn show that BH12LS30 is "binding nonce generation" OK. __________________ My drives: BD-Writer LiteOn iHBS112 PL05 LG BH12LS30 1.01 LG BH08LS20 2.00 LG GGW-H20L YL07 Samsung SH-S223C SB06 - SH-S203B(SB04 FR FB EOPC) - SH-W162C TS11 - TS-H552U US09 BENQ 1620 B7W9 - LG H42N@H44N RB01 - Region Reset H10A@H10N@H12N UJ13 - H22N 1.02 - H55N 1.06 - GH22NP20 2.00 - GH22NS50 Liteon iHAS122B@524B Liteon iHAS122A@524A Sony AD-7190A@DH20A3P XV68 - EOHT - FB - FR - EOS / XV6D - Sony G120A@165P6S MS0R Pioneer DVR-K17 - DVR-108 1.18 by nil:

03-02-2012	#4
2601 MyCE Resident Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 2,114	re: DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording Supported Drives: Pioneer BDR-207M, Sony BWU-500S Unsupported Drives: Liteon: iHBS312, Plextor PX-LB950UE

03-02-2012	#5
Wombler Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,578	re: DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording Hey thanks for that as I was assuming the Pioneer BDR-207M would work but hadn't heard anything about its detailed specs yet. Thanks for posting as this will help out others. Wombler __________________ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Forum Help: Forum Rules, MyCE Help Centre If you find these forums useful then: Register Here DVDFab/ImgBurn: Choosing the correct Layer Break Position in ImgBurn DVDFab: BDMV-REC Supported Burners Reviews: Ideal DVD Copy, Magic DVD Copier, DVDFab DVD Copy v9 Last edited by Wombler; 28-03-2012 at 22:46. Reason: Typo

08-03-2012	#6
sorewinner MyCE Rookie Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 32	Re: DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording To add to this list, the Panasonic/Matsushita UJ family SHOULD support binding nonce, since my UJ-220 does. I don't think they would remove it from later models.

28-03-2012	#9
Wombler Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,578	That's great, thanks for that. Oh and welcome to the forums! Nice first post BTW. Wombler __________________ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Forum Help: Forum Rules, MyCE Help Centre If you find these forums useful then: Register Here DVDFab/ImgBurn: Choosing the correct Layer Break Position in ImgBurn DVDFab: BDMV-REC Supported Burners Reviews: Ideal DVD Copy, Magic DVD Copier, DVDFab DVD Copy v9

01-02-2012	#1
Wombler Administrator & Reviewer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 9,578	DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording DVDFab currently uses a workaround for Cinavia protected discs that involves creating a protected backup in a format that DVDFab's producers have named BDMV-REC. One potential problem with this though is that in order to create a protected BDMV-REC backup you must have a Blu-ray writer that supports 'binding nonce generation'. So what on Earth is that then? For those that feel the need to know, the 'binding nonce' is a 128 bit key that your drive generates which is used to cryptographically link the data on the disc, to that particular disc. It's part of the AACS specs and is intended to prevent 'rollback attacks'. As with anything involving AACS the precise technical details behind this are complex but fortunately it's not necessary for users to familiarise themselves with the inner workings and all that most users need to know is, does my existing drive (or the drive I'm intending to purchase) support 'binding nonce generation'? Ideally there should be a list of supported drives available but I've searched exhaustively and there doesn't seem to be such a list anywhere online. So here's the first list of supported drives brought to you exclusively by MyCE and based on my own online research. If you'd like to help to add to this list please post here in this thread and I'll add your details to this first post. DVDFab users can check their drive's capabilities by going to Common Settings -> Info as as shown below. Binding Nonce Generation.jpg Users without DVDFab can also check whether their drive supports this feature or not from ImgBurn by going to Tools -> Drive -> Capabilities and checking the status of the 'binding nonce generation' checkbox at the bottom of the screen. Anyway, here's the actual list. Drives that are known to support 'binding nonce generation' ASUS: SBW-06C1S-U (only with VSO burning engine) Buffalo: BR3D-12U3 HP: CH20L LG: BE12LU30, BH12LS30, BH12LS35, BH12NS38, BH14NS40, BH20N, GGW-H20L, LG BH08, LG BH10, WH08LS20, WH10LS30, WH12LS30, BP06LU10 Optiarc: BD-5300S Pioneer: BDR-205, BDR-206, BDR-207M, BDR-207D, BDR-TD03, S07XLT Plextor: PX-B940SA Samsung: SE506AB Sony: BDX-S500U, BDX-S600U, BWU-500S Panasonic: UJ-220 Drives that don't currently support 'binding nonce generation' Asus: BW-12B1ST Liteon: iHBS112, iHBS212, iHBS312 Memorex: 800L v1 Plextor: PX-LB950UE Wombler __________________ ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬ Forum Help: Forum Rules, MyCE Help Centre If you find these forums useful then: Register Here DVDFab/ImgBurn: Choosing the correct Layer Break Position in ImgBurn DVDFab: BDMV-REC Supported Burners Reviews: Ideal DVD Copy, Magic DVD Copier, DVDFab DVD Copy v9 Last edited by Wombler; 3 Weeks Ago at 23:16. Reason: Updated list

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28-03-2012	#8
carlupq New Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1	Add Pioneer laptop drive BDR-TD03... ----- Info for drive [D:\] (DVDFab 8.1.6.3) Vendor: PIONEER Product: BD-RW BDR-TD03 Revision: 1.20 Vendor specific: 11/02/09 PIONEER Drive region control: RPC II Drive region: 1 User changes left: 4 Vendor resets left: 4 AACS version: 1 Number of concurrent AGIDs: 1 Supports bus encryption: YES Supports binding nonce generation: YES No disc in drive.

12-05-2012	#10
kth MyCE Rookie Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 20	Re: DVDFab: List of Blu-ray Writers That Support Cinavia BDMV-REC Recording The Pioneer BDR-207DBK (BDR-207D) supports "binding nonce generation".

06-07-2012	#12
Gunzzo New Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4	Imgburn show that LG WH12LS30 is "binding nonce generation" OK.

09-07-2012	#14
Nnyan New Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2	Have an external USB 3.0 Buffalo BR3D-12U3 (detected in IMGBURN as HL-DT-ST BD-RE BH12NS38 EL00 if that matters to anyone) and it supports Binding Nonce Generation.

10-07-2012	#16
Nnyan New Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2	Glad I could help! Odds are we're going to buy a number of BD devices I'll check them as I get them.

13-07-2012	#18
Beemer Biker New Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 10	The following support binding nonce LG: BH14NS40 Samsung Portable: SE506AB Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum. Embedded Images View/download images and remove advertisements by registering now! (it's easy, free and takes less than a minute) You must be registered in order view images in this forum.

08-12-2012	#20
brel New Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 4	Does anybody know if the Panasonic UJ-240 and Plextor PX-B940SA support binding nonce generation?

18-12-2012	#23
brel New Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 4	Hi again! Still haven't bought a writer... I'm a bit overwhelmed with the number of options. I hopefully plan to get the latest budget blu-ray writer that supports: [1] Binding Nonce Generation [2] LTH discs [3] Modisc I know it will be difficult to get all the features so my priority is from top (#1 - being most important) to bottom (#3 - which is least important). But the Blu-ray write speed should not go lower than 12x. After some research, found out about the following brands and models: A. Pioneer BDR-208DBK with 15X speed B. LG WH14NS40 with 14X speed C. Pioneer BDR-207DBK with 12x speed I've read some reviews of the drives except drive A, but can't find the complete features list of each especially the important "Binding nonce generation". Would appreciate it if anybody can give me some info whether the above drives supports any of the features mentioned and are they good value. Thanks in advance!

19-12-2012	#25
brel New Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 4	What about the LG WH14NS40? Anybody knows if it supports "binding nonce generation"? Looks like it's the lowest priced burner among the three selling at about USD 55 (at amazon.com and newegg.com) with free 10 packs BD media as limited offer. Also, I found another Pioneer writer that may be better than the BDR-208DBK since it can write up to 128GB on BD-R QL media and also 100GB on BD-R TL media! Check out the Pioneer BDR-2208 priced at about USD 100. But in newegg.com, the drive garnered some negative reviews and have received up to 4 stars out of 5 only with 10 reviewers while the LG WH14NS40 also received 4 stars but with 119 mixed reviewers. I am leaning towards buying the LG WH14NS40. The only thing still keeping me from moving forward is not sure if the blu-ray burner supports "binding nonce generation" and that I have bad experience with an LG DVD Writer before. It conked-out on me after one year of average use. Last edited by brel; 19-12-2012 at 08:29.

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