DVDFab 4.0.1.6 Beta

Maybe he got tired of all the sniveling? "You can attract more flies with Honey than vinegar". Other than the "out of memory" problem which can be worked around, I don't see all the problems.

FENGTAO, don't leave us!! Please come back!!! (Bring a fly swatter with you!).

It is quite amazing really....

Most of the snivelling comes from those that use the free version of DVD Fab to do something else with a free version of something else.

If I was Fengtao, I would really look hard at removing the free version and then they'd be able to complain about paying for it !!!!

Exactly, I really hope he doesn't remove the free version though, maybe these knuckleheads don't realize what they're doing.

Please tell us which tools?

And, if you are referring to the PVV, please read this thread very carefully - especially post 15, which makes it totally clear.

Regards

When threads become a mutual wank I realise that particular internet community is too close.

I don't want to say what everyone else is saying, or not say what they are saying.

I think it is reasonable to suggest that bugs are sorted before further new features added. Pathplayer and all that, it's just more things to go wrong.

I actually just read through this whole thread and I am going to offer my 2 cents worth.
1) HDDvdFab 4.0.1.6 Beta is a BETA program.
2) HDDvdFab is doing the ripping.
3) If DvdRebuilder is so great then DvdRebuilder should add the video info. to the cell, this would make the backed up DVD's "compliant" to the standard, making DvdRebuilder "DaBomb", (Great).
4) The obscurity of DvdRebuilder speaks for itself. ( I know this pains purists, I still have Tube Amplifiers that I use for listening to music).
5) As long as HDDvdFab can make a backup that plays on the average DVD player that will be all most people care about, the shotgun approach.
6) Blutach is right. If you read and follow all his references it seems obvious that the standard says there is always video in the cell.
To sum it up in my humble opinion the market will dictate the usefulness of the program and since the only program worthwhile is doing the ripping I think DvdRebuilder should adjust and place video info in the cells, after all, if your going to call your program DvdRebuilder, then rebuild it right, rebuild the video to make it compliant, it would gain tons more usefulness.

Is anyone else having a problem backing up Bourn Ultimatum with DVD Fab Platinum 4.0.1.6 Beta?

As it has been said it is up to DVDFab to produce a compliant rip. It isn't DVD Rebuilders job to clean up the mess. DVDFab is already in the right direction with the new option we have seen in the BETAs. So hopefully it will keep going that way.

chickc, you may have a bad disc.

If you read the thread thoroughly and all of the links from the various members you will see that Fengtao is suggesting that there is a balancing being done to make the program compatible with other various programs. For me DvdShrink is the most important one, as I use it to edit out a lot of stuff. I hope it all does work out well. It just seems that the tone is "bitchy" from some members. I never use DvdRebuilder, it takes toooo long and I never compress movies less than 95%. I watch everything at 100 inches diagonally and the few times I did try DvdRebuilder the compression was notable. If you are watching movies on a small TV (40 or 50") you may never notice it. If you ever get it up on something big you will realize you wasted a lot of time. Over the years I must admit though I have come to trust Blutachs knowledge (DaChewy also) it would be great if all of the real "Pros" (of which I am not one of) could get it all worked out. I would just hate to get into a situation where one has to go through many hoops just to make a simple "movie only" backup. I single out no one but I really do appreciate what Fengtao is doing.

Zathros,

While I do appreciate the kind words, I must agree with linx05 on this one. If I were a software developer, I wouldn't be wanting to make up for poor source material. Nor will jdobbs.

Anyway, he has almost zero chance of even reading your views here. Perhaps, if you're sufficiently interested to purue this, you'd care to post your thoughts on the Official DVD Rebuilder Forum, where he hangs out, and he might consider the request.

Regards

Three days ago I posted my experience with 4.0.1.6. Here's an update:

For the early burns I was using a ProData DVR+R DL with a MID of RICOHJPNSD0 (43h), which had served me well. The 3.x trial SW (can't
remember exactly which one) of DVDFab Platinum had produced quite a few anomalies, skipping up to 15 seconds of the film at times. The 4.0.1.2 version produced much less, and the 4.0.1.6 (beta) version was almost perfect ... just a few stutters at the layer break, but no lost frames.

After receiving a response to my post, and from the vendor, I went out and bought some Verbatim DVR+R DL (2.4 - 6/8/10) Singapore stuff with MID of MKM001 (00h) and it burned perfectly. And some 2 minutes faster than the 8x ProData media.

So it looks (from my viewpoint) that 4.0.1.6 version is ready for prime time. And I have also paid the vendor to have my trial version of DVDFab Platimum upgraded to full usage.

@Blutach,
I hope it is a transient situation. Fengtao actually PM'd me in response to a PM I sent him. As far as DvdRebuilder goes, I just don't have the expertise to offer any advice to anybody. I am O.K. with well trampled topics but I just don't have the expertise or broad general knowledge to know what is compliant or not, but of course like most people, it never stopped me from having an opinion. I just am very appreciative of the freeware that Fengtao offers and want to remind some people of it. I imagine anyone in the business reads your posts and comments takes them seriously, after all, have you ever Googled "Blutach"?

I have a problem with 4012, it reads the disk fine but don't write to the blank disk, It's a Wonderful Life won't to the disk, Any help out there would be helpful... Thanks

Just my opinion here but it is not DVD Fabs responsibility to work with other 3 party applications, its nice if it does but I see no place on their website that says that this is the case. It does what it says it does, thats good enough for me, I really have no interest in what people on other forums are saying, the program works for me and others like me that use the program as it was intended, now if Fengtao said otherwise I have not read it.

What media are you using? What settings are you using? What mode are you using in DVD Fab Platnium? What burn engine are you using in the settings? In order to help you we need more information. Try updating to V 4.0.1.6 in this threads beginning.

"Please tell us which tools?"


Sorry blu but they have been listed. If I can find the posts on the tools used to determine DVDFab is complaint, you most certainly can.

I've MORE than made my point that the issue is the purpose of DVDFab, not some techincal argument. You continue to try and reintroduce the technical argument as if that is relevant. It is not. The relevant argument continues to be whether or not DVDFab is obligated to support DVDRebuilder by making sure DVDFab files articulated with DVDRebuilder. And the answer to that is NO. Is it cool that DVDFab does? YES. Do I hope it continues to do so? YES. Obligated to do so? NO.

DVDFab is under no obligation to support any 3rd party application.

Jim

"I think DvdRebuilder should adjust and place video info in the cells, after all, if your going to call your program DvdRebuilder, then rebuild it right, rebuild the video to make it compliant, it would gain tons more usefulness."

Or the DVDRebuilder folks can get busy making a ripper application so its ripped files can be guaranteed to articulate with the "Rebuilder" part.

Something I suggested before and wa not so warmly received by the DVDRebuilder crowd.

Jim

"...make up for poor source material."

So because it may or may not articulate with DVDRebuilder its "poor source material'?

This is a great illustration of one of my points. There is nothing "poor" about DVDFab output files. Using DVDRebuilder as a touch stone to judge DVDFab is again only relevant IF DVDFab is suppose to do hand off its files to DVDRebuilder.

So instead of judging DVDFab's files as being "poor", how about a little humility on your part and ask if the authors would be willing to consider making sure DVDFab does so? In the face of NOT being obligated to do so, it is gracious of its authors to attempt to make sure it does. Yet your attitude about it is reflected in terms like "poor". Something I still fail to understand.

The DVDRebuilder crowd's posture should be appreciative and thankful that DVDFab's authors are at least trying to keep you happy. Instead DVDFab makes "poor source material".

I just don't get that kind of arrogance.

Jim

hey i thought this thread was about dvdfab not dvdrebuilder ummm i must be in the wrong place

No you are in the right place, others have chosen to hijack a thread that was supposed to be about DVD Fab betas. Not third party applications.

I'm not sure whether the DVDRebuilder incompatibility is down to DVDFAb or DVDRebuilder. I can see why people see that issue from several angles.

I was really hoping that the developers would have some sort of reponse to this point, in general:

"I think it is reasonable to suggest that bugs are sorted before further new features added."

Yes - precisely.

DVD Fab HD Decrypter is not "articulating" with anything. It's producing rips - and AFAIK (as I said, I have not downloaded the beta), if the new option is not unchecked, those rips are non-compliant and become "poor source material". Truly this can not be that hard to understand.

And I again ask the simple question: Which of the tools that you know of say an uncompliant rip is compliant?

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Originally Posted by Zathros I hope it is a transient situation. ... after all, have you ever Googled "Blutach"?

Me, too, and no (whatever I have to say does not belong in a search engine ).

Quote:

Originally Posted by but your face hey i thought this thread was about dvdfab not dvdrebuilder

It is - we are discussing the output of DVD Fab HD Decrypter and its conformity to the DVD specification.

Regards

I'm going to try to select my words carefully because my goal is not to ruffle any feathers.

Someone made a comment about the sniveling people being users of the free DVDFab product. I happen to use it on occasion, myself. I have no need for the shareware version. But, how may I ask, can a person be at fault for wishing for the output of even the freeware DVDFab product to be compliant to the DVD specs? Especially because the freeware version doesn't allow compression from DVD-9 to DVD-5 it makes this issue all the more relevant.

The topic has been discussed here and elsewhere and very very knowledgeable people have given input. Blutach already pointed out a thread with a post that has an image that sums things up, IMHO. Now, this topic shouldn't really be people fighting tooth and nail over the issue.

Unfortunately, some of the new changes, which Fengtao made for a valid reason, cause non-compliant output. This is a problem, IMHO, and just because "it makes a backup and plays on the DVD player" isn't a valid answer in my book. I'm the first to admit I'm an obsessive compulsive anal-retentive person. I want compliant output if I'm going to making a backup and if it isn't compliant then it's a flawed backup, IMHO.

Fengtao has added the option concerning the cells. I haven't used the program since that was added and I've seen conflicting input on whether it has resolved the problem or not. Hopefully, with people posting their results this problem can be dealt with and everyone can move on and happily make compliant backups using DVDFab and any other software program they wish.

In closing, I'll just reminisce about a "program" that used to create non-compliant output. DVD Shrink fans ranted and raved for a very long time. The anger aimed at the company involved was well deserved according to nearly everyone. That problem has been resolved. Now we find a similar situation and I see the opinion of the majority of the people contradicting what I previously witnessed with the "other" program. I just find the difference amazingly humorous.

As I said at the start of this post. My intent is not to fan any flames or throw gasoline on a fire. Users of the freeware version are just as entitled to ask for compliancy as paying customers. It's DVDFab's choice to offer a freeware solution, afterall, and I commend them for it!

"As I said at the start of this post. My intent is not to fan any flames or throw gasoline on a fire. Users of the freeware version are just as entitled to ask for compliancy as paying customers. It's DVDFab's choice to offer a freeware solution, afterall, and I commend them for it!"

It's freeware your not entitled to anything except using it or not. I do agree with your opinion about non-compliance and I think DvdShrink is the one program that has enough of a track record and is used by so many people that compliance with it should be assured. There are two parallel streams going on here as far as I can tell. !) If it plays on my DVD , Who cares?, which is valid if all your doing is making a backup. 2) Making a compliant back up. If your going to shrink the crap out of it then making a compliant backup becomes a concern. Compliance will help people who are shrinking movies by 45% . Of course if your one of these people doing this I think you would be better served by getting a better TV (or LCD Projector). I have yet to see anything that is shrunk to 85% of the original which does not show artifacts. The DvdRebuilder is better than DvdShrink for these kinds of compression but I personally just split the movies into 2 disc (w/DvdShrink) as I really can't stand compression artifacts. If I don't want to get up to change the disc I put in the original. When I go camping in my motorhome, I bring only backups.
Ultimately, it is freeware and if you don't like it, don't use it or at least make request in a more congenial manner. It's free!!

*sigh* Yes, indeed, I am. I didn't say I was entitled to support or personal assistance from the author[s]. What I said was I was entitled to ask. Unless I fell asleep and woke up in another universe the world is not yet a completely iron-fisted & censored dictatorship. Everyone is entitled to ask. Whether the request is honored is another story but the right to ask exists. I'm not being a wiseass, either.

Now, having said that, my results of using the free software very much have an impact if later down the road I would purchase the full retail version. If the free version doesn't produce compliant output and neither does the shareware version... well, that doesn't make me inclined to purchase it. I can't be the only person who would view this situation this way. If I am... well, I guess I'm just weird.

I can't agree more. I don't even use the program but if DVD Shrink doesn't like the output then there's a problem. Personally, I'm a DVD Rebuilder Pro user. I use it even if I'm only compressing to 90% of the original size. If DVD Rebuilder has a problem then, again, I believe there is.

I respect this belief, for those who hold it, but I see it to be too short-sighted. Just because it works doesn't make it "right" in my book.

99.9% of the time I make backups to DVD-5 discs due to the lower cost. The time factor for using DVD Rebuilder Pro with CCE doesn't make any difference to me. I want a good quality and compliant backup. My backup of Transformers came out beautifully.

I don't think I made a request that in any way was out of line. If you feel I did then I'm sorry you feel that way but I won't apologize for my words. As I said earlier in this post I am more than free to ask for the output to be compliant.

While I don't use DVDFab on a regular basis I do have some friends who use the free product and some people do use the Platinum version. I recommend software when I think it works well.

It seems to me the whole crowd divides itself between different products and there is in-fighting when the simple fact is it's in everyone's best interest to have many solutions that help in making [compliant] backups of our legally purchased property. Just because I don't use DVDFab all the time doesn't mean I wish it ill will. The enemy is the Industry and not each other.

I've said my piece and don't intend on being part of a running debate. I wanted to post awhile ago but didn't for numerous reasons. Now I voiced my opinion and asked for compliance as I am free to do. Case closed.