DVDFab 4.0.1.6 Beta

Just to add, this is from the changelog of VobBlanker 2.1.3.0:
Added: Refuse to run if AnyDVD/DVD43 or DVDRegionFree (lite & std) are detected.

It was to protect the author and program VobBlanker from big companies shutting it down.

The only real issue I have had is that for what ever reason, Fengtao doesn't acknowledge info sent to his dvdidle.com address, and does not respond to PMs that is what upset me. Given, he may get a ton of these I could understand why he doesn't respond in all cases, but a short acknowledgement of his receiving info would be appreciated. I would have dropped the issue a lot sooner if there had been a response such as "I understand there may be a problem or no way am I going to fix it, or I'm working on it."

My posting here was an attempt to constructively point out what I thought to be a problem with the program. BTW it took considerable effort and time to try to gather information which I thought would be of use to him, and try to identify exactly what the problem was rather than make some senseless comment about the program "not working". The discussions in either place weren't an attempt to bash his product, but to discuss the technical issues. I think he does a great job. As a matter of fact I made a deliberate effort to try to stop discussing the issue when he made an attempt to correct the "problem" with 4.1.0.6 Beta.

If I have offended someone's sensibilities then I apologize. The only other post I deliberately made mentioning the situation was to point out that the "useless cell" change made in 4.1.0.6 didn't completely fix the problem. I hardly call that 'bashing". I sent backing data off line.

Closed issue! I'm done arguing about it and discussing it

Further discussion on the points seem to be senseless and to use an old expression are "Beating a dead horse".

Fengtao keep up the good work.

Everyone enjoy the holidays!

rcubedcuber

hey fengtao and ting have you guys came out with a fix on that psp file convertion

What an incredible brouhaha.

What you folks who are fanning the flames are missing is this - a ripper doesn't "support" one program or another - it needs to be standard compliant. By introducing tiny cells with no video, it is not standard compliant. Whether you believe us tech-heads on Doom9 or not, that is the case and all the chest thumping in the world by certain posters here determined to support Fengtao won't change that.

Put simply, and this is supported by mpucoder and others, a cell needs video to be standard compliant.

Fengtao has tried something quite innovative to get around AV sync issues in MP4 encoding. Credit to him for that. In doing so, he has created rips which are not standard compliant. So he fixed that up with a new option (AFAIK). Credit to him for that, too. He understands the need to be standard compliant.

Now, irrespective of whether you think DVDRB:

- is obscure or not (it isn't, but you may as well assert that) or
- has made itself somehow incompatible with other programs (it hasn't, but you might as well assert that, too; after all, why let the truth get in the way of a good argument, eh?) or
- doesn't produce noticeably better output (it most certainly does, but as I said before, each to his own),

it does observe the DVD standard. That is incontravertible (well, I await for certain strident posters in this thread to contravert it). And why should it change, as Alan suggests, to be compatible with DVD Fab when this will make it off spec? That is ridiculous.

DVDFab HD Decrypter's role is to produce standard compliant rips. Hopefully, the latest mods to the program will do this and we can move on without people feeling the need to defend Fengtao's work so vociferously. It needs no defence; it only needs to remain standard compliant.

And DVD Rebuilder has never been and will never be a ripper. To somehow challenge it to be a ripper is ludicrous and the implication that the program is somehow poorer for not being a ripper is ridiculous.

Finally, at the top of every part of this forum are very important words - "knowledge is power". We are here to exchange that knowledge and learn and empower ourselves, and not for the unknowledgeable to somehow wrest power by blustering through.

Regards

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Last edited by blutach; 10-12-2007 at 16:34.

your posts in this thread are the reason i won't be participating here any further, my email notification for this thread only just popped up and i was greeted with about 3pages of stuff like this. I push DVDFab at every opportunity over at the 'other site' where i spend a great deal of time, never a bad word to say about it or the endless updates the hardworking Fengtao et al keep us supplied with; my intent in this thread and the odd post here and there of late has been purely to try to highlight an issue that has appeared of late with a couple movies; it's not ungrateful when someone like me (once in a blue moon) steps back from constantly praising DVDFab and highlights a legitimate problem, and we've now been provided with a nice new tickbox (which proves some of us weren't imagining problems with 'the other program'), and by all accounts it seems to be working, which is great stuff and we're extremely grateful for it. People like us can't always say only good things about a product, if there's a problem (real or perceived) it's only right that we highlight it. Nothing wrong with that, nor is it wrong that some of us like other programs as well as DVDFab. Believe it or not i'm the ultimate 1click guy, i don't like faffing about jumping thru hoops to get things done; not because i'm lazy but because i've got many other things to do in my spare time. I've been following a few of rcubedcuber's posts and am thankful of the effort he's put in trying to figure out what this problem was all about (i knew i wasn't imagining a problem, was glad to find someone else also having the same issues); it most certainly isn't as issue with me if DVDFab doesn't necessarily work well with other products, am grateful if all this kind of software plays together nicely, but it's obviously not a slant on DVDFab if it doesn't/won't/can't work well with other products.

Anyway, i'm done here reading all the ranting, i'll simply repost my comment from a few pages back, i don't post here at cdfreaks often, was prompted to by the problems i was having;

blutach,

Hitting the forum on Doom was quite enlightening by the way.

"DVDFab HD Decrypter's role is to produce standard compliant rips."

No that is not exactly correct.

DVDFab's products are designed to make back ups of our copy protected DVD's. If in the process of doing so it produces files that are compliant only on the moon who cares? Its job is not to make complaint files of any sort. Its job is to make backups of our DVD's. IF in the process it makes files that are compliant, great. But its job has nothing to do with making compliant files. Its job is to allow us to make backups of our copy protected DVD's. How they do that has nothing to do with being or not being compliant with any standard.

If DVDFab's authors figure out a way to make backups of our DVD's, get files to mobile devices, and position the software to handle protection schemes and it is totally stable AND the output files it uses are not compliant with ANY standard and DVDRebuilder chokes, so what? Whether or not it works with DVDRebuilder is NOT what DVDFab is about. It does not and has not marketed itself to fill the niche of being a front end for any 3rd party application. Glad it does, hope it continues to do so. Best guess is producing DVD standard output files will continue to be part of its process. But whether it does or not is not a primary obligation of it or its authors.

It does not appear to me anyone said DVDRebuilder is a "poorer" program. The point was those trying to make sure DVDFab rips files that articulate with DVDRebuilder might be better served if the started insisting DVDRebuilders authors make a ripper so its ripped files articulates with itself for rebuilding.

"Put simply, and this is supported by mpucoder and others, a cell needs video to be standard compliant."

The disagreement is that some say DVDFab output is. Some say it is not. You obviously are in the "it is not" compliant crowd.

your posts in this thread are the reason i won't be participating here any further

Creaky,

I'm sorry if I posted something that you feel was directed towards you personally. I didn't and wouldn't. What I found on doom is SOME of the folks that post in both forums do a lot of bashing of DVDFab and its authors on Doom and yet come here and act like they actually care about the software. Are you doing that? Obviously not.

"People like us can't always say only good things about a product..."

I agree with that 100 percent. Funny how one guy responds to me as if he needs to defend DVDFab from me, another acts like he needs to defend his right to criticize DVDFab.

Jim

i don't ever take forum posts personally, i just have limited time, not enough hours in the day and all that; and on that note i'll be back home tomorrow to finish building my Quad Core machine and putting it thru it's paces with the movie files that i've used 4.0.1.6 Beta to rip for me (with 'useless cells' both ticked and unticked mode just in case). My eagerness for that is purely that if things are going to still fail, they'll fail very quickly indeed on the Quad Core and not after 4hours like my normal machines take; and I'm eager to get back to using DVDFab to get things done, as effortlessly as before

finish building my Quad Core machine....

Wish I was doing the same. Not quite ready to pull the trigger on the cost of getting current with hardware.

Jim

The download links don't seem to be working. Am I a fool? Also, some people mention 3.1.8.0 version. Any place that is still available?
Thank you,

Hi macracan and welcome to cdfreaks,

You have a pm...

[Edit] and no, you're certainly not a fool...well, not because of the broken link...
Just kidding...

OK then, I'm asking as well - are the download links supposed to be broken and if so, why?

See thread "Stable DVD HD Decryptor d/l?" entry 5.

rcubedcuber

ok still no fix on that psp file convertion huh well dont get me wrong dvdfab is the best program out there for me and my family we all use it but were having problems with the dvd to mobile like the psp cant convert to a mpeg4 always get a crash problem when dvdfab encodes for about 10 seconds and ask me to send ifo files i did but no response so i dont know but yeah can anyone help me out

I have fab platium 4.0.1.4. should i stay with it or update???
I don't see any threads on 4.0.1.4. thanks mrhook.

There is no reason you cannot continue to use 4.0.1.4, but there were quite a few fixes in 4.0.1.6 that may or may not relate to features you use. Here is a link to the release notes for 4.0.1.6: http://www.dvdfab.com/docs/index.php...eaturesRelease

Can't seem to update anyway, and the download links for 4.0.1.6 are broken.

Im my experience anything that Blutach raises of a technical nature is invariably worthy of serious consideration and my money's on Blutach with this one.

He is an expert of the highest order with regard to DVD structures and has written guides galore for numerous programs that other equally expert peers view as definitive.

As for compliant files the whole purpose of creating them is that;

(a) all programmers are working towards the same common specification, and;

(b) the files work with all programs without having to worry about endless problems concerning incompatibilities.

The benefits of this should be apparent to anyone regardless of their level of technical expertise.


Wombler

Just me again. Hope this helps a little until the link is ok.

http://rapidshare.com/files/75690725...um4016Beta.zip

It's ok. No tricks. Just a zipped file of the current version.

See you all later, then. Jim

He is an expert of the highest order....

No doubt. Yet there are other equally qualified folks who disagree with him. Like the folks who are writing DVDFab.

i dont know but yeah can anyone help me out....

I had a problem before with crashes like that where it would start and then crash, get crash report, etc. I had failed to delete the profiles from the user/application folder. I uninstalled DVDFab, deleted those user/application folders, reinstalled with clean profiles, no more crashes.

Not sure if that's your problem at all of course.

Perhaps a pint less of the dismissive attitude toward DVDFab's creators and users would make the discourse less contentious.

As long as the final product works on my DVD player, I could care less what happens from original to backup. I am very happy that DVDShrink works with the output of DVD Fab, but if it didn't, I could live without shrinking DVD9 to DVD5.
DVD purchase $20 or $4 for rental
DL media, $2
SL media, $0.40
One program that makes it all happen, Priceless.

Finally someone who really understands what this thread is about, thankyou.

I agree DVD Fab is one of the most popular programs here at CDF, and we are the biggest DVD CD Forum in World today. All of you own it I guess and I am also guessing the reason you bought it is because you liked it when you downloaded the trial version and tried it. The author will do as he sees fit to make this program beneficial to all who want to backup there DVD Collection. It seem as if there are a few here who would like the program to made explicitly for their needs. It might happen and it might not. But DVD Fab Platinum does exactly as it says. That's enough for me. Congrats to a great author with a great program and Happy Holidays to all.