The definitive guide on Clearplay compatible clones

I have tried using DVDFAB and the CLONE feature, "keep original IFO files" with a variety of media, Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, memorex, etc., DVD-R, DVD+R, and DVD+R DL, and none of the attempts at cloning produce a disc that can be read properly by my Clearplay player.

All discs "play" but none of them recognize and allow filters to be loaded. I have tried about 10 different combinations and had ZERO success getting the Clearplay player to recognize a clone disc as an original.

for DVD+R discs, I've also toggled the booktype setting under WRITE and that has had no impact either.

Has anyone found a solid method for Cloning discs that are 100% Clearplay compatible?

http://club.cdfreaks.com/2036629-post36.html

i guess other than the keep original IFO files there is not one.

Copy Original IFO files: This checkbox forces Clone mode to copy the original disc's IFO files exactly, without removing RC/RCE protection and Prohibited User Operations. This will allow technologies such as Clearplay to function correctly with Cloned discs but will leave the protections and controls mentioned earlier in place. This box should be left unchecked unless your player and disc support Clearplay and you want this function to operate when the backup is played.

Sorry, this doesn't work... Like I said I tried multiple types of media and various settings under CLONE and book type and none of them allow the Clearplay player to recognize the cloned disc as an original disc.

I'd also like to know if the DVDFAB developers have actually tried this on a real Clearplay player or are they speculating this setting will work. I have tried a lot of tests and none have been successful, so I would like to know if anyone else has done this successfully.

If anyone has been successful at this - Clone for Clearplay, can you please post your exact settings and type(s) of media you have successfully used.

I created another thread about this a while back, but I gave up on it as I seemed to be the only one interested.

The new feature doesn't make any difference. It was based on a guess, but you get the same results whether you copy the original .IFO files or not. The clone feature does work on some, but not on others. You can look at the older thread for examples.

seems you are stuck until someone hacks or reverse engineers the clearplay system & figures out how it tests for "original " DVD.

it must be reading or hashing something on the original DVD, as clearplay themseves say that you can't use their player with hard drive copies.

have you tried other DVD copy software to see if competitor products can fool the clearplay software ?

PS dunno what the bible says about copying rented DVds ( though I do know what the forum rules are! ) - but there is a suggestion here
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arch.../msg00336.html
that clearplay & rented Dvds don't get on well.

the link to an open letter to clearplay does not seem to work, unfortunately, but the gist of the link is

" Basically, Clearpaly cannot decipher many of the disks you get at
Netflix or Blockbuster because DVD release producers keep changing
the names on the DVDs and Clearplay has no way to address this ever-
changing name-game. Clearplay has no manual match-up algorithm and no
adaptive technology to match the filters.

And letters sent to Clearplay get IGNORED"

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Last edited by cybmole; 05-07-2008 at 22:47.

I have never had any trouble playing rented DVDs on my Clearplay DVD player, with one exception, and manually downloading the filter for that one disc fixed it.

AnyDVD is hit and miss as well.

OK - well we're all stuck at not knowing how the clearplay software identifies which movie is on the DVD.

without that info it's impossible to say why some clones work & some dont.

if I were a hacker, which I'm not, I'd start by examining the USB stick which stores the clearplay filters. The filter file must contain the data which is matched against the DVd when idenitifying it, so study that file structure - should be easier than trying to find out what is in the software inside the DVD player.

google found this: Latest iPhone Applications : ClearPlay Movie Browser - Do you have a ClearPlay DVD player and find it annoying when renting movies because you don't know what filters there are?
This webapp solves the problem. View over 2500 movie titles currently filtered by ClearPlay on your iPhone


so it is possible to read the USB stick outside of the clearplay environment.

PS. I did like this comment esp. the final sentence, - from http://www.timesandseasons.org/?p=2185

"...., removing a few profanities or clipping a couple of scenes does not turn the the fruits of Babylon into those of Zion. I’m troubled that people seem to think that it does — that if you snip a couple of offensive scenes you can then indulge in the rest of the film that was intended to frame those scenes. Most of the spiritual damage that accrues from Hollywood’s output is not inflicted by the few snippets that these technologies remove".

Let's not get into that here though, you need to find a pro-christian hacker group who can crack clearplay's trade secrets & thus tell us what is wrong with DVD clones.

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Last edited by cybmole; 06-07-2008 at 06:55.

by this statement i think of dvdinfo pros media info screen. this screen details the dvd title and the implementation identifier.

i also have Invelos Software DVD Profiler. there is a feature which can read the dvd name from the disc and find relevant information from the invelos database. now sometimes [actually fairly often] the dvd title is not found. but when i manually enter the name in search, there are correct results.

now i understand that your clearplay dvd player will properly filter an original dvd, however a backup will not filter. i was just sharing my observations.

edit// ive resently read that a cars navigation system will not read a backup DL dvd correctly because of the method of the dvd track layout. the post can be found here.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/2088034-post4.html

[QUOTE=troy512;2089197]by this statement i think of dvdinfo pros media info screen. this screen details the dvd title and the implementation identifier.

i also have Invelos Software DVD Profiler. there is a feature which can read the dvd name from the disc and find relevant information from the invelos database. now sometimes [actually fairly often] the dvd title is not found. but when i manually enter the name in search, there are correct results.

now i understand that your clearplay dvd player will properly filter an original dvd, however a backup will not filter. i was just sharing my observations.

QUOTE]


so there's another clue - run your originals & your working + non working (in clearplay) clones through that profiler & play "spot the difference"

I'm sure that it's just using the Clearplay web site, which has a list of all movies they have filters for.

But yes, the USB stick is readable in any PC - that's actually how you put the new filters on it as they are released. But the actual filter files are binary - there is nothing humanly-readable in them.

Well, that's an interesting opinion from someone who obviously doesn't use Clearplay in their home.

I use Clearplay to make movies that are supposedly family-friendly into something I want my kids to watch. Movies like Enchanted, Alvin & the Chipmunks, Aquamarine, The Iron Giant, and Underdog have a few things that I prefer my kids not hear and/or see. I also use it so that my older kids can watch Harry Potter and National Treasure 2 without some of the scarier or adult content.

For my own use, when the kids are in bed, I use Clearplay to filter out the bad language and nudity from movies that my kids aren't yet old enough for, yet still have some redeeming value. Yes, I am an adult, and I actually prefer to avoid profanity and nudity, as well as some of the grosser violence when I'm watching movies.

I thought that might be the case - but the Iphone app that I linked to claims to read & display the filter detail from the usb stick in a human readable form, so someone has figured out how to decipher it.

that suggests to me that if fengtao & co really wanted to crack thiis, they could be given some filter files for named dvds & they could work out how the dvd title is stored in the filter file, & from that work out what clearplay looks for to identify a dvd title.

we know that most of the filter file is just a list of start and end time codes for each possible filter, which tell clearplay what section to mute or skip of that filter is selected. the only unknown is the DVD identifier.

I believe this is the actual app, which seems to be displayable in a normal web browser:
http://clearplay.solidcoresolutions.com/#_letters

I'm pretty sure it's using this as it's source:
http://www.clearplay.com/filtercart.aspx

However, I think you have a great idea regarding looking at a single filter to see if the title information can be decoded from it.

hopefully, but others with greater pc hacking skills , need to take over now

Honestly, I can't believe you guys !!!

Obviously you have Christian ethics about what is watchable and I totally respect this.

But you have no problems about "Backing Up??" DVD's (which can be regarded as illegal) and the whining and complaining because your "special player" will not recognise the "special protection" put on to it.

Please give me a break , please!!!

Hi Gregi,

your bible must be missing the bit about "blessed are the hackers, for they shall not suffer the plagues of DRM "

I think that, as paying DVDFAb customers, they should be helped, even though I don't share their christian beliefs.

& the idea of a christian hacker group is no wackier than the idea of a christian gun club, so there are probably guys out there who can crack this, though maybe not on this forum.

PS, if you think about it, the most copied & given away for free item of media in the whole world is probably the christian bible:-)

I agree with you but...

As 0.00001 percent of the Fab population, they should get 0.0001 percent of Fengao's and Ting's attention.

I agree on your Bible comments but don't forget, it's now out of copyright !!!

Try clicking on one of the letters.

I did try that, but nothing happened. Probably the page is badly written & won't work with my browser security settings.
I think I've gone as far as I can with this issue now anyway, I wish you luck solving it but think you may have to loook further afield.

Well, maybe we could start compiling a list of movies that work and don't work! Otherwise we're just going to keep spinning our tires:
--I've made some additional comments in the other thread about this topic.

I'm pretty much only interested in using Clearplay with R rated movies for nudity and language and what-not. So here's a running start on some cool R rated movies:

EXPLANATION
The first "Yes" means clearplay has provided a filter for it (not all movies have filters). Now, the job we have is labeling items as "Fab Yes" for DVDFab being able to make a good copy that clearplay will recognize. The only movie I've done so far is "While you were sleeping" -not rated R i know.

KEY:
1st Yes = Clearplay Filter as of 4-7-10
2nd "Fab Yes" is for a working copy and burned DVD clearplay will recognize
3rd - "blank" means I don't know!!! - look it up: http://clearplay.com/PrintList.aspx

MOVIES
while you were sleeping - Yes & Fab Yes
Matrix trilogy - Yes
Rob Roy - yes
universal soldiers- yes
the good the bad the ugly
Seven-yes
thx1138-yes
starship troopers-yes
the shinning-yes
shaushank redemption - yes
Robocop - yes
Rambo 1-4-yes
Ransom - yes
The negotiator - yes
one flew over the cookoo's next - yes
Patriot games - yes
The patriot - yes
Disctric 9 YES
Inglorious Bastards yes
Public Enemies yes
Evil Dead - Series - yes
Army of darkness - yes
300 - yes
office space - yes
the edge - YES
there's something about marry - YES
reservoir dogs - no
Terminator trilogy - YES
lock stock and two smoking barrels- no
boondock saints - no -
we were soldiers - YES
road to perdition - YES
gladiator - YES
Good Will Hunting -YES
fight club - YES
usual suspects - YES
memento - YES
Aliens trilogy - YES
stand by me - YES
snatch - 4/30/09 -NO
backdraft - YES
Lucky number slevin -YES
Shaun of the Dead - YES
last of the mohicans - YES
the professional - YES
the rock - YES
speed - YES
the following - (memento) - NO
green street hooligan NO
pineapple express - NO
die hard movies - YES
V For Vendetta - YES
Airplane 1 & 2 - YES
Predator-yes
Arlington Road - YES
Black Hawk Down - YES
BloodSport - yes
Blown Away - yes
Broken arrow - yes
Born on the fourth of july - yes
cliffhanger-yes
commando - yes
conspiracy theory - yes
ransom-yes
eternal sunshine of the spotless mind - yes
executive decision - yes
face off - yes
the game - yes
ghost and the darkness- yes
the great raid -yes
hostage- yes
the jerk - yes
jerry mcguire - yes
lucky number slevin-yes
vertical limit
blackhawk down
demolition man - yes
wallstreet-
the firm
the great raid -yes
the jerk - yes
judge dredd-yes
the last samuri -yes
Munich
the patriot
smokin aces
ong back 2
ninja
the hangover
The Chase
crimson tide
Universal soldiers movies
Ransom
terminal velocity
navy seals
mercury rising
over the top D


?
The body guard
Chronicles of Riddic - yes
Bad Boys? -
Bankock dangerous-yes
bubba ho-tep-yes
the crow-yes

This might be a better venue to take this discussion to:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/clearplay/

We could even set up a database there to keep track of movies.

Seems like it's a clearplay problem and not a dvdfab problem so I don't think we need a list of movies that will play on clearplay IMHO