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Posted: 15-12-2004

eleewhm (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,261

Burn 10 : CMC 16x+R on LG GSA-4163B

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I 22:17:38 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.1.0 started!
I 22:17:38 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 22:17:38 Initialising SPTI...
I 22:17:38 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 22:17:38 Found 1 CD-ROM, 1 DVD-ROM, 1 DVD±RW and 1 DVD-RAM/±RW!
I 22:18:23 Operation Started!
I 22:18:23 Source File: G:\PRAWNS_SPECIAL_EDITION_DISC_1.ISO
I 22:18:23 Source File Sectors: 2,285,848 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:18:23 Source File Size: 4,681,416,704 bytes
I 22:18:23 Destination Device: [0:1:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A100 (H

(ATA)
I 22:18:23 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: CMC MAG-M01-00) (Speeds: 4x, 8x, 8x, 12x, 12x, 16x, 16x)
I 22:18:23 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 22:18:23 Write Mode: DVD
I 22:18:23 Write Speed: MAX
I 22:18:23 Test Mode: No
I 22:18:23 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 22:18:23 Filling Buffer...
I 22:18:25 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:18:59 Writing Image...
I 22:23:37 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:23:38 Closing Track...
I 22:23:46 Finalising Disc...
I 22:24:01 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:37
I 22:24:01 Average Write Rate: 16,504 KB/s (11.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 22,169 KB/s (16.0x)

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Originally Posted by Media Code

08 02 00 00 A1 0F 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3F .............&.?
00 00 00 00 00 00 07 43 4D 43 20 4D 41 47 00 4D .......CMC MAG.M
30 31 00 38 23 54 37 18 00 3E 6E 00 70 62 15 15 01.8#T7..>n.pb..
0B 0B 08 08 01 19 1B 0B 0B 0E 0F 01 00 00 00 00 ................

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Media Information
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID CMC MAG M01
Media Product Revision Number 00h
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Media Id Code Speed Unknown
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22161KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 16.0x 22160KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16621KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 12.0x 16620KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11081KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Data area starting sector 30000h
Linear Density 0.267um/bit
Track Density 0.74um/track
Number of Layers 1

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Posted: 16-12-2004

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

Read at max in DW1620 B7P9, but still too many PIE's.

It seems the 16x zone in the P-CAV 16x writing contains average 100 or so PIE's.

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Posted: 16-12-2004

eleewhm (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,261

will do another scan @8x...forgot to switch to 8x after reinstalling nero...

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Posted: 16-12-2004

zingzang (New on Forum): Posts: 12

So, after all this, would someone care to summarize the strengths/weaknesses of the GSA-4163B vs the BenQ DW1620. other than the obvious RW speed and DVD-RAM compatibility. thanks.

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Posted: 16-12-2004

Two Degrees (MyCE Resident): Posts: 5,021

Hrm, well the BenQ overspeeds more media, should be faster at 12x and 8x since it uses P-CAV for those speeds, and it supports error scanning with Nero CD-DVD Speed. The LG is faster at 16x and (probably) has better -R burning quality.

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Posted: 17-12-2004

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

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Originally Posted by Two Degrees

LG 12x is much faster in GSA-4163B than GSA-4160/4120. The difference in 12x writing speed is no more very big between Z-CLV and P-CAV.

Still, the best thing about BenQ is its extremely bold and generous overspeed burning in the official firmware. And PIE/PIF/Jitter scanning plus Qscan. One might say low price (applied to US especially.)

Overall, I prefer LG because of its predictability and wide and easy availability.

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Posted: 17-12-2004

Two Degrees (MyCE Resident): Posts: 5,021

Isn't the 12x P-CAV for the 4163B only for 16x media?

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Posted: 17-12-2004

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

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Originally Posted by Two Degrees

Isn't the 12x P-CAV for the 4163B only for 16x media?

Right. But 12x Z-CLV in GSA-4163B is faster than 12x Z-CLV in GSA-4120B/4160B.

GSA-4120B@4160B A302 to YUDEN000T02 @12x (burned for this post freshly because I lost most previous records.)

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Manufacturer : YUDEN000 T02
Code : -
Disc Type : DVD+R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : -
Recording Speed : 4 X - 12 X
Capacity : 4.38 GB
4700375040 Bytes
Additional Capacity : -
Overburn Capacity : -

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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

GSA-4120B

6x: ~ 400MB
8x: ~ 2100MB
12x ~ 4700MB

GSA-4163B

6x: ~ 200MB
8x: ~1600MB
12x: ~ 4700MB

Just approximation but it should be apparent GSA-4163B's Zone CLV is faster (or more aggressive) than GSA-4120B/GSA-4160B's Zone CLV. GSA-4160B uses Zone CLV for 16x writing and it is also faster than Pioneer DVR-108 with the latest firmware in the same Zone CLV writing.

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Posted: 17-12-2004

Exit (New on Forum): Posts: 3

Hi - I own the LG4163B for 4 days and I have a little problem with it.

I wanted to burn data on a Verbatim 4x DVD+RW Disc (MKM A02). Nero let me choose 4x or 2,4x to burn with the LG. I choose 4x then it wants to format the disc - at this time everthig seems to be ok - but as it started to burn i got an error.

I test two other mediums of the same type - and i got an error when it wants to format.

Then I start to burn at 2,4x speed - and everything works fine.

Then I look at the website from LG - and read that Verbatim is not listed at the supported DVD+RW Mediums.

Then I read the tests here and the review on hardwarezone.com
and at hardwarezone - the LG burn the Verbatim DVD+RW at 4x speed.

What can be wrong?

Thanks Exit

Sorry for my bad english - I'm from germany and my english isn't the best

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Posted: 17-12-2004

theturtle (New on Forum): Posts: 27

i would suggest you post the error. and/or perhaps post it as well in the Nero software forum.

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Posted: 17-12-2004

Exit (New on Forum): Posts: 3

I test one of the mediums with a NEC3500A - and there is no problem with 4x speed. It seems that the LG has some problems with these medium - but it can also be - that my pc has some problems.

I think i will test the LG in a other PC and post the results here.

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Posted: 17-12-2004

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

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Originally Posted by Exit

To me, that sounds like very common RW-specific problems. Try various methods like trying new unused media, full formatting, etc.

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Posted: 18-12-2004

kalas (Moderator and CD Freaks Protection Detective): Posts: 2,450

Someone already done the sheep test http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=101608?
Would be interresting for me seeing the result.

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Posted: 19-12-2004

eleewhm (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,261

Burn 11 Sony 8x-R SONY08D1

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I 22:50:00 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.1.0 started!
I 22:50:00 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 22:50:00 Initialising SPTI...
I 22:50:00 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 22:50:00 Found 1 CD-ROM, 1 DVD-ROM, 1 DVD±RW and 1 DVD-RAM/±RW!
I 22:50:46 Operation Started!
I 22:50:46 Source File: G:\THE_MOVIE.ISO
I 22:50:46 Source File Sectors: 2,285,844 (MODE1/2048)
I 22:50:46 Source File Size: 4,681,408,512 bytes
I 22:50:46 Destination Device: [0:1:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A100 (H: ) (ATA)
I 22:50:46 Destination Media Type: DVD-R (Disc ID: SONY08D1) (Speeds: 4x, 8x)
I 22:50:46 Destination Media Sectors: 2,298,496
I 22:50:46 Write Mode: DVD
I 22:50:46 Write Speed: MAX
I 22:50:46 Test Mode: No
I 22:50:46 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 22:50:46 Filling Buffer...
I 22:50:47 Writing LeadIn...
I 22:51:22 Writing Image...
I 22:58:33 Synchronising Cache...
I 22:58:39 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:07:52
I 22:58:39 Average Write Rate: 10,631 KB/s (7.7x) - Maximum Write Rate: 11,130 KB/s (8.0x)

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Posted: 19-12-2004

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

Hm. Why Nero Burning Rom can't have average write speed and other information shown to the naked eyes?

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Posted: 27-12-2004

eleewhm (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,261

BURN 15 : VERBATIM 16X Disc ID: MCC-004-00 ON LG-4163B A100 FIRMWARE

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I 23:08:26 DVD Decrypter Version 3.5.1.0 started!
I 23:08:26 Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600 : Service Pack 2)
I 23:08:26 Initialising SPTI...
I 23:08:26 Searching for SCSI / ATAPI devices...
I 23:08:26 Found 1 CD-ROM, 1 DVD-ROM, 1 DVD±RW and 1 DVD-RAM/±RW!
I 23:09:24 Operation Started!
I 23:09:24 Source File: G:\S1.ISO
I 23:09:24 Source File Sectors: 2,285,876 (MODE1/2048)
I 23:09:24 Source File Size: 4,681,474,048 bytes
I 23:09:24 Destination Device: [0:1:0] HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B A100 (H: ) (ATA)
I 23:09:24 Destination Media Type: DVD+R (Disc ID: MCC-004-00) (Speeds: 4x, 8x, 8x, 12x, 12x, 16x, 16x)
I 23:09:24 Destination Media Sectors: 2,295,104
I 23:09:24 Write Mode: DVD
I 23:09:24 Write Speed: MAX
I 23:09:24 Test Mode: No
I 23:09:24 BURN-Proof: Enabled
I 23:09:25 Filling Buffer...
I 23:09:26 Writing LeadIn...
I 23:09:58 Writing Image...
I 23:14:36 Synchronising Cache...
I 23:14:37 Closing Track...
I 23:14:42 Finalising Disc...
I 23:15:01 Operation Successfully Completed! - Duration: 00:05:36
I 23:15:01 Average Write Rate: 16,445 KB/s (11.9x) - Maximum Write Rate: 22,182 KB/s (16.0x)

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Posted: 27-12-2004

eleewhm (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,261

the burns on the verbatim 16x are really beautiful!!!.....i will

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Posted: 28-12-2004

eleewhm (CDFreaks Resident): Posts: 1,261

some 16 x media on the way

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Posted: 29-12-2004

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

The usual players, Ricoh, TDK, Maxell, JVC...

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Posted: 08-01-2005

apox77 (New on Forum): Posts: 26

Hey eleewhm I think I'm probably going to buy the LG 4163 after looking at all the sucessfull burn results with different media and was just wondering did you buy the Retail version of it and if so what package difference is there with the OEM version.

curently OEM is the only one available for me . What software does the retail version come with and other content ? THankxz hope someone clarifies my question

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Posted: 08-01-2005

apox77 (New on Forum): Posts: 26

Btw Kenshin Ur A Tru Cd Freak .. Good On U

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Posted: 08-01-2005

Cee-Kay (New on Forum): Posts: 11

Based purely on a PDF downloaded from LG Sweden site, the retail version of the product includes Nero Express 6, InCD 4 with DVD-RAM support, Power Producer Gold2 and Power DVD. Obviously, you will get the drive in a proper box with the usual data cable and screws. No mention of media however, be it DVD±R/RW or DVD-RAM.

Hope this helps.

Cee-Kay

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Posted: 08-01-2005

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

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Originally Posted by apox77

curently OEM is the only one available for me . What software does the retail version come with and other content ? THankxz hope someone clarifies my question

Post a question just once in one place to prevent multiple same answers and to make the same things placed in one place. Posting a question more than once is against the forum rule here (which usually results in deleting and closing.)

Welcome aboard.

[Edit]You posted three times just for the record.[/Edit]

http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...06&postcount=7
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=70
http://club.cdfreaks.com/showpost.ph...&postcount=110

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Posted: 08-01-2005

Kenshin (MyCE Resident): Posts: 12,754

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Originally Posted by Cee-Kay

Cee-Kay

There's no media bundled in the box as far as I know.

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Posted: 09-01-2005

Cee-Kay (New on Forum): Posts: 11

I've taken the plunge and ordered the drive via a shop on eBay, so hopefully I will receive the drive Monday or Tuesday.

The bundle I ordered comes in a external FireWire/USB 2.0 enclosure, so it will be interesting to see how it compares to connecting the drive internally and the LG GSA-5163.

If anyone's interested I'll post pictures when I get the drive through the post and perhaps perform some test burns once I've read up a bit more about it.

Cee-Kay

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