SH-S183L - Slow ripping CDs

Hardware:

Asus M2N-X Motherboard
AMD X2 4400+ @ 2.3Ghz (Brisbane Core)
2GB Corsair Dual channel RAM
X700 Pro PCI-E
Seagate SATA II 7200.10 HDD
Samsung SH-S183L SATA DVD burner (SB02)
XP Pro SP2 Fully updated
iTunes 7.3.0.54
WMP 11
ImgBurn

It Reads/burns just fine, but its extremely slow when ripping audio CDs in both itunes and WMP. It rips @ 6~7x topping out around 12~13x toward the end of the rip session. I'm not using Nvidia's IDE drivers as they've been known to cause issues. Drive is using its own channel with DMA mode 2. Bios has three confguration options for SATA: SATA,AHCI and RAID and its left default at SATA. I found this review where there appears to be some sort of rip lock limitation imposed on the drive:

http://www.extrememhz.com/shs183L-p10.shtml

I read that there is a 3rd party firmware available that lifts this rip speed limit, but I've had no luck finding it.

Yep ripping speeds are slow with that drive. The only tool i know of is for CD's. When someone finds the correct spot in the firmware then we will have rip lock removed, so until then you will have to live with it.

So do i and that's why i have more than one drive.

Why would they limit the rip speed in the first place? This doesn't do anything but scar the rep of an otherwise great drive.

I have no idea but most all (if not all) Samsung DVD burners have rip lock. That said they make very good readers but slow

Hi,

the riplock that is mentioned in the article quoted, deals with DVD media.
As the actual problem is with ripping of audio CD, any DVD riplock (this is an intended feature by Samsung, so they will never fix that) is irrelevant here.

According to the reviews posted on cdfreaks.com, the maximum DAE speed is 40x, resulting in an average DAE speed of approx. 32x (or so). This is the reason, why I think, there are software issues (or features) preventing the drive to reach its maximum speed.
So please take an audio CD that is not copy protected and in good condition. Rip that to .WAV and post the time needed for the complete process. You may also try Exact Audio Copy and rip the disc in "secure mode" and also in "burst mode". At the moment I am doing the same with my SH-S182D.
The results show clearly, that the speed, an audio CD is ripped at, strongly depends on the software that is used and on its settings.

You may try Magic Speed from Samsung website in order to optimize your DAE speed with the software you are using.

Michael
Edit: Here are the results
(CD is "Scorpions, World Wide Live", approx. 80 minutes)
First pic:
EAC in Burst Mode

Second pic:
EAC in Secure Mode

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Last edited by mciahel; 08-07-2007 at 22:39. Reason: added results

CD: Transformers - The Album
12 Tracks - 0:43.58.18

EAC 0.95 Beta 4

Burst mode looks good, nothing to be worried about. Your drive won't reach 40x as the disc you tried is only 43 min. "long". The "Secure Mode" is much slower by design.
I have used the same version. Forgot to mention that in my previous post.

Michael

May I ask what kind of performance you get using the latest iTunes, set to encode in 192 bitrate stereo ACC with error correction disabled? In regards to DVD ripping: Whay do they limit the rip speed? Is it some sort of forced punishment for potentially violating intellectual property?

Sorry, I don't have iTunes installed. Also, I don't use Windows Media Player at all.
And if I had, my system (AMD64 3000+ Winchester, 1 GB RAM, VIA KT800 Pro chipset) is slightly slower than yours
But maybe I'll try on my test partition tomorrow.

Michael

Approx. 7 minutes. Comparable with EAC secure mode.
But hey, itunes is a big heap of bloat Uninstalled after testing .
I don't know what deals they have with the media industry. Maybe it's only their thinking of convenience as slow speeds are silent during DVD playback. Just speculation.

Michael

It will not only make playback silent but also not stress the hardware in general.

I agree with that _chef_

Just bought one of those for 29.99 no s/h Already had 2 sh-182m and thought a sata would be alright also. Mainly use mine for burning and have no complaints about the first 2. @rolling56 You have some good drives. How does the samsung sata rate with the others?

It doesn't burn as fast as my LG's but it does a good job.

All this off topic as the posts above. My son also use iTunes, only problems sofar.
But then, I just have to live with it I suppose.

@rolling, how much faster is the LG? What's the difference in pre-burn time.

The S183L i have is not as slow as the LO LH series but not as fast as the LG's. I don't remember the exact seconds. It's not minutes though The S183L is a good burner but has it's problems like all drives. If your using good media then no problems. I don't see it as a good DL burner though. Maybe someone else has had better luck with DL's. Bitsetting needs to be set in Nero or ImgBurn. I don't need bitsetting so no problem for me. Mine has taken a beating with flashing so it's good in that way also.

Seems, it's time to close that thread then

Can this drive use offset correction while using EAC ? And can it read into the Lead-Out area ?

There was a post recently about EAC offsets for the 18x drives. Don't know, but you might have a look with Nero CD/DVD Speed.