Old 11-11-2006   #51
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

are the firmwares for the Sony DRU830 and Samsung 182D interchangable?
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

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The lead in for my discs is still to large
Can you visually see (and post a photo) that the lead in is still at the wrong position using the fixed firmware or do you just assume this bug is not fixed because the problem you have is still present with the fixed firmware ?
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@ Mr. Man,

I am at a loss as to why you are having problems with data discs on the 182. Actually my testing was with data discs and I have no problems reading them with the 182. Perhaps you can tell us more about you system configuration and what you are using to create the data disc. Is the Samsung on IDE or in an external case? Maybe it's something we can duplicate.
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ala42 - I don't have the ability to take a picture of the disc, but I can visually see that the lead-in appears to be the same size with every firmware. The SH-S812D won't read the disc it creates. It looks like its almost 3 times the size as the lead-ins created with my Sony DRU510a USB, or the Memorex 16x drive I picked up as well.

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The drive is a Mad Dog Multimedia repack of the drive. The first one they didn't bother to stick a mad dog sticker on it, this one has a mad dog sticker on top of it, but its got the normal Samsung tag on it.
From the bottom of the tag...
Factory Id: P Phillppines BG68-01179A Rev.01
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SH-S182D/BEBN 6GAL507506T F/W=SB00
H/W:A Ver.D May 2006

The IDE driver the system is using is the default windows standard dual channel PCI IDE Controller...


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Is there a "CDFreaks Edition" of the SH-182M firmware?

I was wondering about this also
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Me too
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I was wondering about this also
No, because all firmwares have the same problem. SH-S182D owners are lucky to have SB01. The 'Ms' need to use SB02, no other option.
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No, because all firmwares have the same problem. SH-S182D owners are lucky to have SB01. The 'Ms' need to use SB02, no other option.
ExpertTech,

What we want to know from Jan70 is if there is an unofficial "fixed" firmware from Samsung for the SH-S182M.

Jan70's contact at Samsung was able to produce an unofficial "fixed" version of the SB04 firmware that corrects the lean-in problem for the SH-S182D. I'm hoping that Jan70's contact will also be able to produce a fixed firmware for the SH-S182M.
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Well a cold got the better of me so for better or for worse, I am still the owner of a SH-S182D

Wish I could be the proud owner of it...

So other than throwing more money at this by shipping it back to mad dog for service, does anyone have any other ideas for me to try?
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I have the same problem with S182M. I have been with it at the service for warranty. They tested and gave me another because it wasn't working
I tested the second one on an older computer and it's working fine. On mine... stile not working. My mobo ECS CG1GM-M.
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Ok I got creative, also read as more angry, and tried moving the drive to the master position on the second ide chain. Using the SB04 CFE firmware.

And it actually made a disc it could read. I was so impressed...

Until I put in a DVD-R I made with one of my other burners in and the drive said what disc...

So I think I will start the RMA process with Mad Dog and maybe they can find me a drive that will work in my machine. While I liked all the features this drive offered, at this point I'm willing to accept a different drive as a replacement, and to make sure I never knowingly buy a Samsung drive without doing more research beforehand.

So for now I am back the the Memorex drive I picked up, it might not be as cool as the SH-S182D... but it writes DVD-R media...
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I just want to say thank you to the people posting their struggles with this drive. This information led me to return the SH-182M I picked up at a Fry's grand opening recently.

I searched for potential problems with this model since I was burned by flawed operation of a standalone Samsung R120-AXAA DVD writer last year.
reference: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=598947

I wanted to give Samsung another chance since they make other things I have liked, but testing and support of consumer optical recorder products remains unsatisfactory to me.
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Ok so I was off on some *cough* other site, looking up a review of the Memorex Drive I am now using...
and I saw a recent post about "Writes but doesn't read???" well I thought "Hey I had this problem" so I check out the post...
its about a DRU-830a (SH-S182D for people keeping score at home.)
link - http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22558
And this drive is behaving alot like mine was... now people are saying its all cables... but Sony gave him a "solution"...

"Ok, I've got some new info.
I've just got off the phone with Sony Tech support and they asked me to do the following.
Update my ASPI something or another and change my Secondary IDE Channel (the one the drive is on) from DMA if available to PIO Only. "

Isn't the point of the DRU over a plain 182D the fact you can do higher speed DMA?

At some point when I feel like digging into my case again to swap the drive I might try dumbing down the DMA to different levels to see if I can get the drive to behave in a normal fashion.

I'll skip the story about how I picked up a DRU-830a and gave it a shot in the last few days... cause I don't have one any more... returns are a good thing...
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

So, there's nothing new about S182M. What can I do to make this drive work? At least to read some dvd-r.
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

If both of the drives are the same, why is the "D" up to 04, plus a special cdfreaks edition?
(While the "M" sits there at 02)
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If it's anyhelp to anybody, my drive works fine on verbatim's dvd+r. And I'm surprised to see that it has no problems with an Imation dvd-rw. DVD-R still not working on my computer.
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I'm curious which pieces are affected by this issue. The DVD-R i burnt with SB04 was perfectly readable on my S182D, on a friends NEC (don't know what model) and on a Philips standalone player.
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

I hate to throw a wrench in all this speculation, but I have another possibility to throw out.

I have three of these drives. I have been using one for a while now on my editing machine and ordered two more to use when needed (I have built a few hundred machines).

I got the two new drives and tested them on my current everyday machine. This is a celeron 3.3ghz on an socket 775 ECS P4800PRO-M board (via chipset).

In windows explorer, neither of the new drives and the one that works on the other machine will read any dvds I have created. I tried all 5 versions of firmware 00-04.

In nero and Easy Cd creator 6, the dvds are recognized as blank. I did manage to get one dvd movie to play on one of the drives. I probably could have gotten more. Even then, I would have to open the application first and let it try to read the disc.

HERE IS THE KICKER:

My editing machine is a P4 3.2ghz on a socket 775 Biostar P4M800-M7 board (also via 775 chipset).

All three drives read, write to and perform perfectly on this machine without a hitch. The software is practically identical. One driver difference is the editing machine is using the files from the VIAHyperion4in1_456v package.

The "bad" machine is using files from the VIAHyperionPro_V508A package.

I haven't had time to conduct many tests to see if I can narrow down the cause. I have both machines triple booted. I did try w2k on the "bad" one with the same result. It also had the 508 package installed.

I will try different builds of wxp, w2k and even w98 when I get the chance. I will also test some other boards. I have some 478 and Athlon 754 Nvidia boards I can test. I will post my findings.

I wanted to give some of you brainiacs out there a possible new direction to pursue. As someone in an earlier post suggested, an incompatibility with drivers or software on a machine might be the cause. It might be certain drivers with certain chipsets or even boards with certain chipsets. Firmware might fix the symptoms on some machines. But before the problem can be completely fixed, the cause has to be identified.
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Thanks for the comprehensive testing, Jon2121. The chipset certainly looks suspicious. Just for the record, I had a very similar problem with the SH-s182M drive on firmware sb02. I have a Dell Dimension 4700 with the Intel 915G chipset. I don't know if this helps or hurts the investigation. Sorry I don't have the resources to test in more environments or chipsets. I ended up returning the drive because of the incompatibility with my system. Good luck.
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

So far, I've burned a couple of -Rs on my SH-S182D with SB02.

Both discs readable on the SH-S182D, and also on the LiteOn 165P6S in the same machine.

I'll try some more -Rs later, burned on the Samsung, and I'll also try reading them in an external BenQ 1640 and a Philips standalone.

ATi SB450 mobo chipset, BTW.
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My friend has just put a SH-S182M with firmware SB01 into a very old PC: PCChips M810LR-H (ALI Chipset) with a Duron 800 processor.

The comp is running Windows XP and using standard Microsoft drivers.

So far we have burnt roughly 15 discs (all at X12): 5 Verb MCC 03RG20s and about 10 Verb +Rs (mix of MCC 004s & T03s).

All the discs can be read on a Benq DW1650, Plextor PX-708a, Plextor PX-130A and the SH-S182M. We have also tested the -Rs on a few standalone players and all work fine.
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It looks that S182 series has some problems only with new computers. Or with new drivers.
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Re: SH-S182D DVD-R Lead-In

I have been in contact with Samsung, and asked them to make a "CDFreaks edition" of the firmware SB03 for the SH-S182M, which should have the Lead-In “problem” fixed.

Please notice that this firmware is NOT an official firmware.

The firmware flasher can be obtained here.

The Firmware SB03 “CDFreaks edition” (dated 21st of November) for the SH-S182M can be downloaded here.
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Jan70,

Thank you!!! I'll try the new firmware as soon as I get a chance.
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It looks that S182 series has some problems only with new computers. Or with new drivers.
Hmmm. I got my latest PC a few weeks ago, so it's not exactly old. The SH-S182D came with it. So far, no problems for me, although as I said above, I'll do more -R testing to make sure of that.
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